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Islam and Free Thinking

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
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Because the Justice and Equality of the laws of ?
Because the Justice and Equality of the laws of God ????
we know the Gods law is Justice and Equality ?
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
It is considered to men they have sex with Alhoriat
are the woman muslim in pardesa just looking to muslim man when they Sexual intercourse with nymphs???
Is Paradise in Islam written on the door for males only ?
are written on the door of paradise in islam just to males man ??
 

Musty

Active Member
Hi All

I have a friend who converted to Islam. He has no problems with his faith but does with many muslims. He is annoyed with what he terms the "stupidity, ignorance and prejudice of born muslims". He refers to history when Islam was once linked to to learning and advancement. He fears that we may be seeing the begining of the end. That is that very little is coming out of Islam at the present in terms of art, science, literature etc. He feels that Islamic culture is so stifling and conservative at all levels, from government to household that only the servile and the bullies will survive.

Any opinions will be very welcome.

I don't believe that it's always fair to judge a religion by the actions of it's adherents. Those actions are often driven by political and social forces that result in the religion being re-interpreted in a more violent/oppressive manner or behaviour that is in complete at odds with the religions teaching. There is also a tendency for critics of particular religions to ignore the historical social and political forces that resulted in the current expression of a religion and blame the religion itself for the state of affairs. The reverse of this is the often stated claim that modern western society is the product of Christian teaching as opposed to modern Christianity being the product of shifts with the societies it's embedded in.

A good example of the reverse of Islam is Buddhism. Buddhism as a religion generally isn't associated with violence but over recent years there have been ongoing instances of violence against Muslims perpetrated by individuals who openly identify themselves as Buddhist Monks. I find such behaviour saddening but don't believe that this violence is the result of a fundamental problem with Buddhism but rather dependent on local condition. One of the reasons cited for the violence against Muslims is the way they slaughter animals in accordance with Halal practices. There are similar tensions in Nepal where Hindu's sacrifice animals to the god Gadhimai which upsets the Buddhists but as far as I'm aware this hasn't resulted in violence.

The OP's dissatisfaction is a good thing. It represents a possible shift, at least at a regional level, towards a more positive and creative form of Islam. I'd support him in his desire for change and I'm sure there are plenty of other Muslims who'd like to see such a change.
 

Looncall

Well-Known Member
I don't believe that it's always fair to judge a religion by the actions of it's adherents. Those actions are often driven by political and social forces that result in the religion being re-interpreted in a more violent/oppressive manner or behaviour that is in complete at odds with the religions teaching. There is also a tendency for critics of particular religions to ignore the historical social and political forces that resulted in the current expression of a religion and blame the religion itself for the state of affairs. The reverse of this is the often stated claim that modern western society is the product of Christian teaching as opposed to modern Christianity being the product of shifts with the societies it's embedded in.

A good example of the reverse of Islam is Buddhism. Buddhism as a religion generally isn't associated with violence but over recent years there have been ongoing instances of violence against Muslims perpetrated by individuals who openly identify themselves as Buddhist Monks. I find such behaviour saddening but don't believe that this violence is the result of a fundamental problem with Buddhism but rather dependent on local condition. One of the reasons cited for the violence against Muslims is the way they slaughter animals in accordance with Halal practices. There are similar tensions in Nepal where Hindu's sacrifice animals to the god Gadhimai which upsets the Buddhists but as far as I'm aware this hasn't resulted in violence.

The OP's dissatisfaction is a good thing. It represents a possible shift, at least at a regional level, towards a more positive and creative form of Islam. I'd support him in his desire for change and I'm sure there are plenty of other Muslims who'd like to see such a change.
A good post, thank you.

The question I have however, is: if the religion is supposed to be an infallible guide to all aspects of life (as is claimed), why is it so ineffectual in combating cultural barbarities? I suspect that the answer is that the religion supports those barbarities.
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Those actions are often driven by political and social forces that result in the religion being re-interpreted in a more violent/oppressive manner or behaviour that is in complete at odds with the religions teaching. There is also a tendency for critics of particular religions to ignore the historical social and political forces that resulted in the current expression of a religion and blame the religion itself for the state of affairs. The reverse of this is the often stated claim that modern western society is the product of Christian teaching as opposed to modern Christianity being the product of shifts with the societies it's embedded in.
I agree with you
A good example of the reverse of Islam is Buddhism. Buddhism as a religion generally isn't associated with violence but over recent years there have been ongoing instances of violence against Muslims perpetrated by individuals who openly identify themselves as Buddhist Monks. I find such behaviour saddening but don't believe that this violence is the result of a fundamental problem with Buddhism but rather dependent on local condition. One of the reasons cited for the violence against Muslims is the way they slaughter animals in accordance with Halal practices. There are similar tensions in Nepal where Hindu's sacrifice animals to the god Gadhimai which upsets the Buddhists but as far as I'm aware this hasn't resulted in violence.
Buddhism used reaction
True that Islam is the religion of assault
Buddhists have the right to defend
The OP's dissatisfaction is a good thing. It represents a possible shift, at least at a regional level, towards a more positive and creative form of Islam. I'd support him in his desire for change and I'm sure there are plenty of other Muslims who'd like to see such a change
Wrong conclusion
Islam is based on texts of
Koran
They texts fixed
Fight the Jews and the Christians
And the infidels ( unbelievers )
booty During the war
and There are many another reasons
that lead to say
Islam can not be reformed
The only way is the announcement that Islam is a the first religion of terrorism, in the world
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
Alhoriat are Koranic word
And translated in English is the Nymphs
A woman at a Muslim to go to heaven do you give her God -Hawari ???
when a woman muslim goin to pardesa are the the god get to him an Nymphs male ??
as a man muslim ??
 

mahasn ebn sawresho

Well-Known Member
The question became clear
Jurisdiction of Muslim women
What is your opinion
Alhoriat are Koranic word
And translated in English is the Nymphs
A woman at a Muslim to go to heaven do you give her God -Hawari ???
when a woman muslim goin to pardesa are the the god get to him an Nymphs male ??
as a man muslim ??
Is exercise sex with males Alhoriat also ??
Sexual intercourse with nymphs also???
Because the Justice and Equality of the laws of ?
Because the Justice and Equality of the laws of God ????
we know the Gods law is Justice and Equality ? It is considered to men they have sex with Alhoriat
are the woman muslim in pardesa just looking to muslim man when they Sexual intercourse with nymphs???
Is Paradise in Islam written on the door for males only ?
are written on the door of paradise in islam just to males man ?I guess the question is clear and obvious idea and iam wait for the the Muslim to answer and get holy texts explicit
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Hi All
I have a friend who converted to Islam. He has no problems with his faith but does with many muslims. He is annoyed with what he terms the "stupidity, ignorance and prejudice of born muslims". He refers to history when Islam was once linked to to learning and advancement. He fears that we may be seeing the begining of the end. That is that very little is coming out of Islam at the present in terms of art, science, literature etc. He feels that Islamic culture is so stifling and conservative at all levels, from government to household that only the servile and the bullies will survive.
Any opinions will be very welcome.

Islam does not put restriction on the thoughts:
[47:22]Obedience and a kind wordis better for them. And when the matter is determined upon, it is good for them if they were true to Allah.
[47:23]Would you then, if you are placed in authority, create disorder in the land and sever your ties of kinship?
[47:24]It is these whom Allah curses so that He makes them deaf and makes their eyes blind.
[47:25]Will they not, then, ponder over the Qur’an, or is it that on the hearts are their locks?

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=47&verse=24
Regards
 

fiat lux

Member
paarsurrey; //Islam does not put restriction on the thoughts://
What world are you living in? Islam is pure fascism, the most restrictive of ideologies, hear what Hamad Abdel-Samad has to say;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkJGD4bMw8o
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
paarsurrey; //Islam does not put restriction on the thoughts://
What world are you living in? Islam is pure fascism, the most restrictive of ideologies, hear what Hamad Abdel-Samad has to say;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkJGD4bMw8o

A Muslim has to follow Quran the first and the foremost source of guidance for Islam/Muhammad whatever the denomination. Quran/Islam/Muhammad put no locks/restrictions on thoughts. They streamline one's thoughts on the right path.
Hamad Abdel-Samad can have his own thought, they are not binding on others.
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Hi All
I have a friend who converted to Islam. He has no problems with his faith but does with many muslims. He is annoyed with what he terms the "stupidity, ignorance and prejudice of born muslims". He refers to history when Islam was once linked to to learning and advancement. He fears that we may be seeing the begining of the end. That is that very little is coming out of Islam at the present in terms of art, science, literature etc. He feels that Islamic culture is so stifling and conservative at all levels, from government to household that only the servile and the bullies will survive.
Any opinions will be very welcome.
Islam does not put restriction on the thoughts only shows the right in unequivocal terms:

[2:257] There should be no compulsion in religion. Surely, right has become distinct from wrong; so whosoever refuses to be led by those who transgress, and believes in Allah, has surely grasped a strong handle which knows no breaking. And Allah is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse:&ch=2&verse=256

Regards
 

fiat lux

Member
paarsurrey; Did you in fact, watch see to the Hamad Abdel-Samad video I gave a link to above? He is very knowledgeable about Islam (the son of an Imam). Well worth a look.
 

Shia Islam

Quran and Ahlul-Bayt a.s.
Premium Member
Hi All

I have a friend who converted to Islam. He has no problems with his faith but does with many muslims. He is annoyed with what he terms the "stupidity, ignorance and prejudice of born muslims". He refers to history when Islam was once linked to to learning and advancement. He fears that we may be seeing the begining of the end. That is that very little is coming out of Islam at the present in terms of art, science, literature etc. He feels that Islamic culture is so stifling and conservative at all levels, from government to household that only the servile and the bullies will survive.

Any opinions will be very welcome.

It depends on which Islamic society the talk is about...

There are many moderate Muslim societies which are open minded and believe in freedom of thinking..

As Shia Muslims we are entertained by new ideas..

Unless the change is against the teachings of the Quran; as explained by AhlulBayt a.s., we can accept it.
 
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