Thelema and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn?

Hey,

could anyone tell me what the difference between those two are?

is the HOGD still active?

I take it that the HOGD subscribes to Qabalah and Hermeticism? Are the rituals different from those of Thelema?

thank you

The HOGD preceeded Thelema but it does have its links in Aleister Crowley.

HOGD practises a beautiful system of qabalisitic, elemental and enochian ritual and initation. Crowley led the order for a time in the early 1900s but it pretty much died out due to diagreements between members over the connection that its previous leader SGMathers had with the "secret chiefs" (beings overseeing and guiding humanity".

Because of his background in the GD there is a lot of its practises recommended as practises in Thelemic magick - see Liber ABA, many of its rituals come from the GD.

GD initiation also permeates the initiations of the AA today.

Crowley did however evolve some of the symbolism and design a number of rituals that follow a similar format to the GD rituals but that have been "Thelema-ised"
Eg The Star Ruby (a pentagram ritual evolving from the LRP) and The Star Sapphire (a hexagram ritual evolving from the GRH) and Liber V vel Reguli (a greater pentagram ritual likend to the SupremeRitual of the Pentagram from GD) some might argue they are evolutions, some might say they are something different entirely.

The GD "Opening by Waterotwers ritual" also features highly in Crowley's Liber Samekh

The general structure of Thelemic magick as laid out in Crowleys Magick and Theory in Practise is mainly GD, but he firmly put the GD to bed in his later years. One of his students Isreal Regardie sought to revivie the GD and wrote the book we all know of. Crowley never really forgave him for doing this, so this shows his attitude towards it.

I think he felt his new system far superseeded the GD seeing it as part of the Old Aeon.

I dont know if itsstill going much these days - I know they used to have a temple in London but I think they sold it off

Thanks Octavia!

So one could say Thelema is an up to date version of the GD?

What is your personal opinion of Israel Regardie?

Thanks you

DanielR said:

Thanks Octavia!

So one could say Thelema is an up to date version of the GD?

What is your personal opinion of Israel Regardie?

Thanks you

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I have great respected for IR. without him we w ould not have access to a complete GD system

Thelema is a NEW RELGION. It takes its fields from many pre--dated systems
- Freemasonary
- GD symbolism
- Anquatied Freemasonic Systems

All combined into one complete charkra/qabaliatic system that encmpasses all pre-Thelemc systems into one coherrent system of 10dgrees (in contrary to the 3* 33*, 95*, 97* systems of all previous systems.
Its is a summary/congolmeration of all masonic rites mixed with the systems of Eastern Tantra

Said as simply as possible:

The HOOTGD is pretty much like a University practicing and studying a wide and diverse of occult and 'Eastern' traditions. Crowley came out of the HOOTGD, before briefly turning to Buddhism, some time before the polarizing reception of Liber Legis.

He infamously had a fall out with Mathers (which is a interesting thing to read itself!).

The HOOTGD, was one of many things in the lineage of Hermeticism/Alchemy leading to Thelema.

DanielR said:

What is your personal opinion of Israel Regardie?

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A very intriguing man who wrote quite a few great books, "The complete Golden Dawn System Of Magic" being the most significant.