What is the worst sin?

Thinking of themselves as better than other people.

An assault/offense upon the intrinsic value of any life.

OR

The abuse or misuse of knowledge. i.e. To harm using knowledge.

Spelling worse as worst. LOL But really, Denial of the Holy Spirit! Unforgivable, all others forgivable!

Maize, forgive me please!

Ronald said:

Spelling worse as worst. LOL But really, Denial of the Holy Spirit! Unforgivable, all others forgivable!

Maize, forgive me please!

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Interesting comment. God's name given to him in Hewbrew is Yhvh Jesuses is Yeshua, the holy ghosts (spirts)_____?
Ruach HaKodesh is hewbrew spirt of the holy but no personalized name? Yet it is on the same level with importance with God and Jesus yes?

Deists dont really believe in the modern concept of Sin... but I will answer what I think the worst action one can commit against his own humanity....

And that is blatant, unrepentant hypocrisy.

Reason and Respect in all you say and do,
David Pyle

Jensa said:

Thinking of themselves as better than other people.

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Indeed, pride, the same sin that Adam and Eve are guilty of :jiggy:

I'm surprised no one has answered, taking another life.

logos said:

Indeed, pride, the same sin that Adam and Eve are guilty of :jiggy:

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Again very interesting. Was it pride that got them to eat the apple in the narrative or curosity that they were punished for? And was the curosity for the attainment of wisdom so that they could tell the difference between good and evil and thus be better sujects for God?

I qoute from www.biblegateway.com Gensis 3:4 NIV version

""You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Why do you read this and see pride? When I read it I see curosity and the attainment of wisdom. Why would God want them ignorant to good and evil and why would it be sinful to search independant of God what is good and what is evil?

Lightkeeper said:

I'm surprised no one has answered, taking another life.

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But would it be?

Taking life in defense of another is not a sin. If someone was threatening to kill another, and you had no way to stop that individual other than deadly force... then that action is justified.

Self defense is also not a sin.

I would also say that deadly force used in defense of the State is not a sin.

Once again, you come to the issue of intent. I have said in essays and on other forums that the good/evil dichtomy (to me) only applies to man. A tornado is not evil, a mother tiger nursing her young is not good. Why? Because only mankind has the ability to form intent.

So, what makes an action good or evil, sinful or righteous, is in large part based upon the intent with which the action is undertaken.

In this case, you would have to determine what the intent was in taking that life. If I am defending another, or if I there is an auto accident and someone dies... these actions are not sinful/immoral because my intent was not sinfull/immoral.

Even actions that have positive effects, say a televangelist bringing people more in connection with their spiritual selves, can be sinful/immoral if the intent of the televangelist is sinful immoral. The individal could bring thousands into a church, but the action remains sinful/immoral if his intent was so that he could profit from their tithes.

I think that why most of the responses have focused on individual personality issues is because, in those cases, the intent is often tied directly to the issue at hand.

To be a blatant and unrepentant hypocrit, you have to have already formulated the immoral intent to be so.

Reason and Respect in all you say and do,

David Pyle

I'm surprised no one has answered, taking another life.

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It's covered on my post as an offense/assault upon the value of any life.

Lightkeeper said:

I'm surprised no one has answered, taking another life.

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You know, the first thought that went through my mind, was this sin. But I would modify it by saying the taking of an innocent human life. As I have said on this site many times, I think some human life is virtually worthless. The taking of a worthless human life is absolutely meaningless to me. I simply do not believe all human life is sacred, as many (if not most, or all others) on here do.

For me, I would have to say that harming a child is the greatest sin I think a human could ever commit. A child relies on adults for everything it needs in life, from sustenance to the most crucial emotion of all - love. I have absolutely no use whatsoever for any adult that intentionally brings harm to a child.

TVOR

robtex said:

Interesting comment. God's name given to him in Hewbrew is Yhvh Jesuses is Yeshua, the holy ghosts (spirts)_____?
Ruach HaKodesh is hewbrew spirt of the holy but no personalized name? Yet it is on the same level with importance with God and Jesus yes?

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This is the wrong thread for this, but you have to have an answer.
Both the Spirit/Ruach Haquodesh and the word of God/yeshua came out of God so they both are a part of God. Ruach Haquodesh is the breath of God and Yeshua is the Word of God. Not three anything, one God and the two comming out from Him.

robtex said:

Again very interesting. Was it pride that got them to eat the apple in the narrative or curosity that they were punished for? And was the curosity for the attainment of wisdom so that they could tell the difference between good and evil and thus be better sujects for God?

I qoute from www.biblegateway.com Gensis 3:4 NIV version

""You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. 5 "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."

Why do you read this and see pride? When I read it I see curosity and the attainment of wisdom. Why would God want them ignorant to good and evil and why would it be sinful to search independant of God what is good and what is evil?

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Ah, I love a challenge. Good stuff, robtex. Pride, I believe, is indeed the ultimate worst sin. It's from pride that all other sins originate. I'm sure I will get many a remark from saying this, but....I won't deny what I believe--pride, in it's most basic form, whether we want to admit it or not, is wanting to be our own god. That's what the serpent appealed to when he approached Adam and Eve--be like God!! Wow, that is pretty hard to resist. I don't think God withheld the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil from Adam and Eve out of meanness, or because he thought it would be cool for humans to be ignorant. He simply knew that such knowledge, once in our hands, would be very dangerous. Not dangerous to Him--but dangerous to us. He knew that because He gave us free will--and that is another whole debate there--He left a door unlocked to us. And opening that unlocked door could be equivalent to opening a Pandora's box. He warned us not to open it, we didn't listen ( because of pride ), and now we are reaping what we have sown.

That is my opinion....cheers.

In reference to the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, I was suddenly reminded of scenes from Lord of the Rings. There is that part where Frodo offers the ring to Gandalf, and Gandalf refuses it, saying something like, "I dare not take it. In my hands it would wield a power too great and terrible..."

Aragorn resists the temptation of the ring as well, and is seen as gallant for doing so. And though they screw it up in the movie, in the book Faramir is seen as stronger than his brother Boromir, because he does not succumb to the lure of the power of the ring. Boromir is the weak one, and it is his lust for the ring that brings about his undoing and death. I know these aren't perfect analogies, but I do see some correlation. Adam and Eve gave in to the lust for power from the forbidden tree, and it consequently brought death. I think it was much more than mere curiosity that lured them to eat the forbidden fruit.

The worst sin ever committed was by my parents 29 years ago. For bringing me into this world.

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Ah, I love a challenge. Good stuff, robtex. Pride, I believe, is indeed the ultimate worst sin. It's from pride that all other sins originate. I'm sure I will get many a remark from saying this, but....I won't deny what I believe--pride, in it's most basic form, whether we want to admit it or not, is wanting to be our own god. That's what the serpent appealed to when he approached Adam and Eve--be like God!! Wow, that is pretty hard to resist. I don't think God withheld the Tree of the Knowledge of Good & Evil from Adam and Eve out of meanness, or because he thought it would be cool for humans to be ignorant. He simply knew that such knowledge, once in our hands, would be very dangerous. Not dangerous to Him--but dangerous to us. He knew that because He gave us free will--and that is another whole debate there--He left a door unlocked to us. And opening that unlocked door could be equivalent to opening a Pandora's box. He warned us not to open it, we didn't listen ( because of pride ), and now we are reaping what we have sown.

That is my opinion....cheers.

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Hope where does it say that they were proud to eat the apple? I am now qouting Gensis 3:6 NIv version:

"When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it."

I don't see the word pride anywhere in there. I see the word wisdsom in the middle of Genesis 3/6. I ain't the best Bible intrepreter though....so maybe I am too dense to see the pride part......put it in front of me...contexutally....show my how you read those passages in Gensis chapter three and came to the conclusion that pride was the deciding factor that provoked either Adam or Eve or both to eat the apple.

I see wisdom as that orginal sin. the reason that I say that is because of the qoute from Genesis 3:6 and because Adam in Genesis 3:8-3:10 Adam hides as opposed to beams with pride because of the his nakedness. Maybe I am slow..i have just read it now for the 5th time....chapter 5 and I can't pull pride outta chapter three of Genesis.

The Voice of Reason said:

You know, the first thought that went through my mind, was this sin. But I would modify it by saying the taking of an innocent human life. As I have said on this site many times, I think some human life is virtually worthless. The taking of a worthless human life is absolutely meaningless to me. I simply do not believe all human life is sacred, as many (if not most, or all others) on here do.

For me, I would have to say that harming a child is the greatest sin I think a human could ever commit. A child relies on adults for everything it needs in life, from sustenance to the most crucial emotion of all - love. I have absolutely no use whatsoever for any adult that intentionally brings harm to a child.

TVOR

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TVOR ,harming the child how? And if you kill the child haven't you harmed it? Indexing by age instead of deed seems odd. Maybe it could be a modifer indexed by age as to the degree of sin but qualified based solely on age of recipent as opposed to the action.....is making it hard to buy into. For instance I would have a more sinful interpretation of a man torturing a grown man..(for whatever reason) than I would from a man who shoves a kid into a wall out of anger. Both are wrong..both have the tint of evil but I would say that the torturer plays a better hand of sin poker than the child shover.

How do you feel about revenge? In this world every action we make against our fellow man will have an impact on them great or small postitive or negative. Revenge is always negative when intrepeted as revenge and most always creates another negative responpe perpetuating the cycle. In the United States alot of the early gang violence was revenge for injustices done to it...and than the new injustice justified another revenge tatic. The wars America fights are based on revenge at least to some degree and the events of 9/11 are acts of revenge on America's forgien policy. A new revenge was just suggested to be in the making by Bin Laden tape.


Corporate backstabbing from my personal observation is revenge more than 1/2 of the time. Employees leaking false rumors or shifting false blame for retaliation for action or situation in the workplace.

HItler's rationalization for extermination of the Jews came in large part to revenge for the intrepeted action of Jesus executing Jesus 2000 years ago. WW2 gained a lot of momentum because of the french revenge on Germany by finanicial ownership of much of it after WW1.

Isreal and Palastine are locked in a battle of permant evil because one is assured the other will need to retaliate for the past killing. Palastine is heavily motivated by revenge and the Jews have to keep killing to stop sucide bombers and the like.

Most of the high school conflict I remember came about via revenge. From fist fights to vandalism it seemed someone was getting back at another. Which prompted return retaliation from the first.

Each action that is recevied negatively in the world and than is returned with revenge generates a future like action. Creating an endless cycle of actions motivated by hate.

restrictment of good will. Everyday we will interact with a fellow man. Our actions will be neutral positive or negative. We will not be able to interact personally with everyone and amount of interaction will vary greatly. What if the greatest sins restrictment of good will? That upon seeing a person and interacting with them we do not insert a action or emotion promoting good will but instead promote something other than good will. Any negative action. Not that all of them are equally bad but we cannot really do something good or just to our fellow man and in the same breath do something really wrong can we? If we did something postitve to everyone we met in a particular day it would by the nature of it alone largely dilute negative actions. It is hard to mix the too. Maybe the biggest sin isn't being bad but failure to do good?