"Some Feminists are Man-Haters"

Revoltingest said:

Yes.
But this doesn't make it any less of a privilege for you.

It doesn't, except for the well being of my children.
But draft age non-trans men must still register for it.
Do you think females have no privilege?

Did you see me propose ***** as a solution?
I don't even know how to spell it.

This is a Gish Gallop of questions.
Instead of answering them all (not sure which are merely rhetorical), why don't you make your claims with statements.
Those would be easier to address than inferring meaning behind questions.

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But you do know we weren't having the privileges in the first place? So, how is it a privilege to be left out and discriminated against? Women had to fight for years for these protections we now have and we're still fighting for issues as well. Maybe y'all shouldn't have discriminated against us in the first place?

But, again, the draft hasn't been relevant since Vietnam. So, how does that affect you now? Even during the Iraq invasion the Bush admin took people from prison. If you did a non violent crime you could have the option of the army or prison (see Sarah Palin's son). I'm sure you know about that yes?

I'm still not sure what you're trying to say with the * things. Sorry I'm not well versed in the men slurs.

I only asked two question's. Shrug. And my claims are there.

Debater Slayer said:

My comment wasn't about Rev or any particular poster. I'm just saying not to bother yourself too much because of sexist arguments regardless of who they're coming from. I try to follow the same advice myself.

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Oh I usually don't unless I'm having a bad day already or something lol.

LittlePinky82 said:

Oh thanks. Same to you. I come and go from the forum a lot. Sometimes I just need a break from things or get bored lol. It's good to do because I'm an intense emotional person and need a break from things for a while and it's good for everyone else too when I'm getting too much.

Oh and it's fine. I have talked with Rev a lot off and on since I've been here. I enjoy talking to him. He challenges me and I like that.

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I like you too.

Revoltingest said:

I like you too.

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Really? I do really enjoy my chats with you on here and you do challenge me which is nice for the real world too lol. I don't generally talk politics with people but you never know lol. I'm in the south too so lord help me.



Oh and I forgot to answer about your question with the draft. Personally, I have never liked the draft. I think it's not helpful because you have people who aren't made for the army. If you don't want to be somewhere doesn't that also hinder as well? I understand why it was there but I just don't like it myself. I don't think anyone should be forced to fight. Especially if it's against beliefs, morals,ethics etc. Even though I believe in defending yourself I couldn't ever kill someone. I'd let them kill me first so thus I'd be horrible in the army lol.

LittlePinky82 said:

Ah yes I have such privilege as a woman I'm still having to fight just to have bc and not go into bankruptcy from it. Women are still fighting to be able to have access to medical issues with our bodies as in abortion. My state alone only has one clinic that does abortions (yes I live in the south).

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Just having that option is a privilege, even if you have to travel to another state to get it. I'm unaware of any state that allows men the privilege to end an unwanted pregnancy.

LittlePinky82 said:

We're even still having to fight to have equal pay for our labor.

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I'm just going to come out and say it... the gender wage gap is a myth.

LittlePinky82 said:

And don't forget issues dealing with assaults and battery that go on with women as well.

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I actually posted the statistics on here a while ago, and if I remember correctly, men have a higher rate of violent crime victimization in general and men are about 3.5 times more likely to be murdered.

LittlePinky82 said:

But you do know we weren't having the privileges in the first place?

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Why ask a question with an obvious answer?
Is it merely rhetorical?
What is your point?
Is it that because you once didn't have such privileges, that you now don't?
Or is it that it's OK to have them, but history means you'r not "privileged"?

See the problem with this approach?
It's a whole lotta work, but I end up not understanding your views.

freethinker44 said:

Even having that option is a privilege, even if you have to travel to another state to get it. I'm unaware of any state that allows men the privilege to end an unwanted pregnancy.

I'm just going to come out and say it... the gender wage gap is a myth.

I actually posted the statistics on here a while ago, and if I remember correctly, men have a higher rate of violent crime victimization in general and men are about 3.5 times more likely to be murdered.

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Maybe if you were carrying the pregnancy in the first place you'd have an argument. And it's still not a privilege. You have to use your money for gas along with the money to pay for the bill of having the abortion, you have to not work for a day or if you have children already you might have to have a sitter if you're a single mother. It's really not a privilege if you have to travel. And if you're in the south good luck with that. Imagine one clinic in the whole state. And then you have to think about where is the next clinic to you? A day or two drive? Yeah, some privilege. And by the time you can get there it might be too late with restriction laws.

No, it's not a myth lol.

I'm not talking about victimization in terms of violent crime but the response to it from police and the court system. Sorry if I wasn't clear. I don't think I was.

Revoltingest said:

Why ask a question with an obvious answer?
Is it merely rhetorical?
What is your point?
Is it that because you once didn't have such privileges, that you now don't?
Or is it that it's OK to have them, but history means you'r not "privileged"?

See the problem with this approach?
It's a whole lotta work, but I end up not understanding your views.

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But again why did men discriminate against women in the first place? Why do we need protections? Why do people of color need protections as well? See Jim Crow.

And I think your problem with understanding me is you're a libertarian and I'm a socialist. So you probably won't unless you read socialist literature.

MysticSang'ha said:

but it reminded me of how much feminism is trolled on the 'net

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Which is not a one-way street aka all the crazy feminists on Twitter, Tumblr, Youtube who are quite the loud voice of feminism. And whether you like it or not, they are the modern voice.


Want to be egalitarian? Call yourself egalitarian. There is no need to call yourself feminist.

LittlePinky82 said:

Really? I do really enjoy my chats with you on here and you do challenge me which is nice for the real world too lol. I don't generally talk politics with people but you never know lol. I'm in the south too so lord help me.



Oh and I forgot to answer about your question with the draft. Personally, I have never liked the draft. I think it's not helpful because you have people who aren't made for the army. If you don't want to be somewhere doesn't that also hinder as well? I understand why it was there but I just don't like it myself. I don't think anyone should be forced to fight. Especially if it's against beliefs, morals,ethics etc. Even though I believe in defending yourself I couldn't ever kill someone. I'd let them kill me first so thus I'd be horrible in the army lol.

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The draft......
- I don't see a constitutional authorization for it.
- It selects a few to bear the burden for the many, & their compensation is miserable.
- It can be avoided by the well connected & those with the right religion.
- It made war easier to wage because they had an unlimited supply of fodder.
- The military treated draftees as disposable for the same reason.
- It gave a false sense of low cost.

MysticSang'ha said:

Being promiscuous and being rude are behaviors that humans overall can demonstrate. However, being promiscuous and being rude without apology carries a risk factor of injury or death for one gender far more often.

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I'm not sure. Men make up the majority of physical assaults and homicides. One would therefore wonder at you assertion that being rude carries a greater risk for a women than for men.

As for the promiscuous part: That may be because women get pregnant and men don't. That doesn't justify the injury or death (and let's admit right now that this only happens in some parts of the world) but it would explain why most society place more emphasis on the woman than the man. It is like a man who invites his friends to his house for a party. All of them should behave themselves but ultimately it is mostly he whose home it is that needs to be the most vigilant since he is the only one who has to live in the home once the damage is done.

MysticSang'ha said:

This is why the specific gender slurs toward women are more problematic than being called a ********* or a man-whore.

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Nothing is more problematic. Everyone needs to stop swearing at everyone - no one should get a pass because it is considered "less problematic" by some people.

Revoltingest said:

The draft......
- I don't see a constitutional authorization for it.
- It selects a few to bear the burden for the many, & their compensation is miserable.
- It can be avoided by the well connected & those with the right religion.
- It made war easier to wage because they had an unlimited supply of fodder.
- The military treated draftees as disposable for the same reason.
- It gave a false sense of low cost.

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I don't know of a Constitutional authorization for it either. And I had to memorize it for my degree lol. I don't remember anything about it there. Didn't Donald Trump get out of the draft? And Rush Limbaugh?

And we still have the largest military in the world last time I checked.

LittlePinky82 said:

But again why did men discriminate against women in the first place? Why do we need protections? Why do people of color need protections as well? See Jim Crow.
And I think your problem with understanding me is you're a libertarian and I'm a socialist. So you probably won't unless you read socialist literature.

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Again with questions.
I can't discuss what you don't say.
And reading socialist literature won't tell me the views of an individual.
Socialism spawned too much diversity for that.

LittlePinky82 said:

You're kidding right? I'm called a **** and whore all the time on the internet by ridiculous people when they don't like what I'm saying. They'll call me all the typical things. Even when I did nothing to warrant it. Even if I did warrant it that's your first thing to go to is calling a woman a whore and a ****? It's sexual and it's meant to demean a woman and men aren't treated in the same in that manner. Women aren't supposed to embrace sex and their sexuality. If she doesn't behave or say things that a male thinks women should or challenges a certain type of male that's the words they go to. I can't tell you how many times over the yrs I've been called that. Thankfully it's only been online and not by people in my every day environment so say what you will about that.

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Your whole post actually proves my point - you said "I'm called a **** and whore all the time on the internet by ridiculous people when they don't like what I'm saying." Note that they didn't invoke it because you were being a woman (which is what you said "Do those words have a history of putting down men for being men like the b slur?). They invoked those words because they felt you acted in a way that deserved that treatment. Were they correct? Well I don't know what you said but I'm generally against name calling - so my stance has nothing to do with whether the victim is a woman or a man.

And it is as relevant that sexual slurs are used against women as much as material slurs are used against men (loser or scrub for a man with no job). This just speaks to societal expectations (wrong or right) that each gender has to deal with.

LittlePinky82 said:

I don't know of a Constitutional authorization for it either. And I had to memorize it for my degree lol. I don't remember anything about it there. Didn't Donald Trump get out of the draft? And Rush Limbaugh?
And we still have the largest military in the world last time I checked.

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I don't know who got out of it, but I approve of evading/avoiding it.

LittlePinky82 said:

No, it's not a myth lol.

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Flankerl said:

Which is not a one-way street aka all the crazy feminists on Twitter, Tumblr, Youtube who are quite the loud voice of feminism. And whether you like it or not, they are the modern voice.

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Give me five examples if they are that ubiquitous, and I shall counter with twice as many highly organized and established groups with momentum and mission who "get **** done" so that you might actually see what "modern" feminism looks like.

Want to be egalitarian? Call yourself egalitarian. There is no need to call yourself feminist.

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My personal experience with self-proclaimed egalitarians are such that id rather stick my hand in a blender. After 40 years of activism and being raised in a civil-rights supportive household, I have rarely encountered a community that is more inclusive and accepting than feminists.

I prefer being a feminist. No contest.

Apex said:

Spoiler: Short Answer

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The example you cited is pathetic, and just look at the title of this video and her "arguments":


The comments on the video also exemplify the mindset that tends to demonize feminists online. She is, in other words, another run-of-the-mill idiot, and it looks like many of her fans aren't much different.

Oh, youtube videos as sources. How quaint and adorable.

Debater Slayer said:

The example you cited is pathetic, and just look at the title of this video and her "arguments":

The comments on the video also exemplify the mindset that tends to demonize feminists online. She is, in other words, another run-of-the-mill idiot, and it looks like many of her fans aren't much different.

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Do you have any comments about that actual content of the videoS I posted? You did notice there were two of them, right?

MysticSang'ha said:

Oh, youtube videos as sources. How quaint and adorable.

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Damn right I am adorable!

Apex said:

Spoiler: Short Answer

Spoiler: Long Answer

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Respoinding to the video....
It addresses how those claiming discrimination focus upon not the causes, but upon disparate effect, as though this alone is enuf.
But if disparate effect alone is significant, then what of this deadly effect.....


But this is beginning to derail the OP.
We should get back to it.