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The Serpent in the Garden of Eden

Fool

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RRex said:
I really like this interpretation. It makes a lot of sense to me. That is exactly how I feel when I've been too vehement about materialism.

Since my illness began I am no longer interested in "stuff". I gave most of my property to GoodWill and can now move my "household" in a tiny U-Haul.

Thanks for your post. :)
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so you believe tempting the spirit? testing the spirit is invalid?


matthew 4:1

1 john 4:1
 
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Nowhere Man said:
One would think upon reading the narrative that the serpent itself had first eaten from the tree, and without any consequence, never was thrown out of the garden unlike unlucky Adam and Eve were.
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If he was Satan he wouldn't have to eat from the Tree. He was already a Fallen Angel with the Knowledge.

Thanks for your post. :)
 
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Fool said:
the messiah is a nachash
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"Nachash" is also another name for "serpent", which is a bit confusing to me.

I don't think it can be both, can it? That's a whole other can of worms.

Thanks for your post. :)
 
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Ralphg said:
I once had a vision about me being in the Garden. The Serpent was there the size of a wurm and was climbing from my shoulder towards my head (brains).
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One interpretation of the Serpent is that it represents the lower brain and spinal cord.

Just something I ran across in my studies.

Thanks for your post. :)
 
Sleeppy

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Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Adam and Eve's story is our story. Do we choose to continue relatively conservatively in our father's (their God's) beliefs and practices, or do we test our limits (trial and error; tree of knowing good with evil)? Do we go out of this particular garden paradise, to create our own? Do we plant our own tree of life, or do we die? These are the questions Moses, and those before and after him, ask themselves. These are stories written by fathers; leaders and teachers. We've really populated the Earth, according to God's original command. The next thing we should remember is that Cain will require at least seven, according to Lamech, and up to 77 times according to Jesus. The last days must come for Cain, but instead he's built the cities we all live in; the societies most of us have learned to love; one of human sacrifice; one of war.
 
Fool

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RRex said:
"Nachash" is also another name for "serpent", which is a bit confusing to me.

I don't think it can be both, can it? That's a whole other can of worms.

Thanks for your post. :j
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can't be both? why not? our god is a consuming fire. i have come to bring fire. what is it; if it already be kindled?

as to worms

https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=H8438&t=KJV

Gesenius' Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon

love is a burning thing.
it makes a fiery ring.

Job 25:6
6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
 
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I guess if it's a matter of a test(s), the right way to respond to anything is to do the right thing, which isn't questioning God. It's simply following the good which automatically equates with God.

I'm not interested in everything in life being a test. I equate that more with evil, the trickster.
 
Twilight Hue

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RRex said:
If he was Satan he wouldn't have to eat from the Tree. He was already a Fallen Angel with the Knowledge.

Thanks for your post. :)
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It seems a fallen angel gets a free pass to freely peruse the Garden of Eden and not get kicked out? If it was then a fallen angel then why in the world did God curse the snake to travel on it's belly and get it's head bashed in?
 
Fool

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RRex said:
I'm not sure what you mean. Can you clarify?:)
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those who do are not necessarily like those who claim they do. those who walk the way, the path, are not necessarily those who claim to walk that way. do not judge a tree, a sheep, a book, by it's outward appearance, but by it's action.

http://www.bible-history.com/isbe/H/HYPOCRISY;+HYPROCRITE/


Matthew 23:3
All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
 
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Nowhere Man said:
It seems a fallen angel gets a free pass to freely peruse the Garden of Eden and not get kicked out? If it was then a fallen angel then why in the world did God curse the snake to travel on it's belly and get it's head bashed in?
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I'm not too conversant in the finer points of scripture due to a brain injury which destroyed my memory, so please bear with me.

I don't see it as a free pass, so much as the fact that as a Fallen Angel, Satan may no longer be in heaven, but God did not deprive him of his Knowledge or of all the powers God had given him before he fell.
 
Fool

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RRex said:
I guess if it's a matter of a test(s), the right way to respond to anything is to do the right thing, which isn't questioning God. It's simply following the good which automatically equates with God.

I'm not interested in everything in life being a test. I equate that more with evil, the trickster.
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the fool has more leniency than others. sometimes we get life's lesson from a joke; especially when we can laugh at ourselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jester
 
Fool

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RRex said:
I learned through severe illness that nothing is funny. I associate mirth with darkness.
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so laughter is not good medicine? when we look at something with love, love changes from darkness to light


Proverbs 17:22
22 A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.


http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/give-your-body-boost-with-laughter

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...oof-laughter-really-is-the-best-medicine.html

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/stress-management/in-depth/stress-relief/art-20044456
 
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Fool said:
so laughter is not good medicine? when we look at something with love, love changes from darkness to light

Proverbs 17:22
22 A merry heart doeth good like a medicine: but a broken spirit drieth the bones.

http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/give-your-body-boost-with-laughter

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/hea...oof-laughter-really-is-the-best-medicine.html

http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/stress-management/in-depth/stress-relief/art-20044456
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If that is how you want to face life that is entirely up to you. I'm not judging you for it.

All I'm saying is that I've been through hell on Earth and, in my case, I've learned that, for me, humor is not the path I want to be on.

When I feel lighthearted I feel like I am in danger. This has much to do with my studies as well as my illness.

Addressing my OP, I feel evil is near whenever I lose sight of my humility. Laughter doesn't fit that paradigm for me.

I don't know if I'm explaining this very well.

EDIT: Let me put it this way, when God told Adam and Eve not to eat the fruit of that Tree, he was not joking around.

I think there is too much lack of gravitas in people today. Everything is a joke now.

I don't think life is a joke. I've seen too much. Before my brain injury I worked in a very stressful, violent atmosphere.

No, life is definitely not a joke.

The fruit of the Tree of Knowledge? It wasn't worth what we lost. :thumbsdown: And Satan knew it.
 
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Native

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Free Natural Philosopher & Comparative Mythologist
Hello All,

I wish to introduce you to this lecture of "good and evil".

“Sacred Nature”


- A lecture by Jens-André Herbener, religious historian at University of Southern Denmark.

I think it deals with several of the issues mentioned here. What do you think of it?

Best Wishes
 
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