Have you seen the movie ,'The thirteenth warrior'? The Arab, Muslim ambassador played by Antonio Banderas drank the alcohol after finding it was made from honey and not grain or grape. I wondered if that was fact or just the movie.
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Is there any other religion other than Islam that forbids alcohol?
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Have you seen the movie ,'The thirteenth warrior'? The Arab, Muslim ambassador played by Antonio Banderas drank the alcohol after finding it was made from honey and not grain or grape. I wondered if that was fact or just the movie.
According to both my Islamic and Arabic teachings, being an Arab and the Quran is in Arabic, the word used for alcohol in Quran is خمر and that means any substance that by nature has the potential to cloud or absent the mind, therefore logic and/or judgement.
Katzpur
Not your average Mormon
There is "scriptural proof" in the Doctrine & Covenants, in the form of a revelation Mormons believe God to have given to Joseph Smith. It's called "The Word of Wisdom" and is essentially a health guide.
Not entirely baseless, I guess!
The argument on the other side would be that this is imposing a modern definition of the word on the Classical Arabic text, when its contemporary meaning differed. I don't take any stance personally, you understand.
I forgot to mention that other interpretations are possible too. Yes, I understand and I apologize.
No apology needed man!
Actually, I think over it and should clarify: I don't recall there being any dispute that the word did originally refer to grape products only. Those saying the prohibition should apply to all alcohol base it on the fact that theysee the reason for the verse as being to avoid intoxication, and that Muslims should therefore do that by avoiding any intoxicating substances.
Actually, I think over it and should clarify: I don't recall there being any dispute that the word did originally refer to grape products only. Those saying the prohibition should apply to all alcohol base it on the fact that theysee the reason for the verse as being to avoid intoxication, and that Muslims should therefore do that by avoiding any intoxicating substances.
Cool
For the reference, another derivation of the stem word used for alcohol in Arab and in the Quran is خمار Khimar and it is the extended version of the headscarf women wear. It is called that because it covers/hides a big part of the body.
Unification
Well-Known Member
My religion is within. My personal conscience doesn't forbid it, but is repulsive to it.
I used to drink alcohol, the new conscience within me is now repulsive to alcohol. Yet another thing I used to like I now dislike and died to, personally.
I think that texts are allegory for being drunk and intoxicated with lies, poor thoughts, poor emotions.
I like having a clean, clear mind.
arthra
Baha'i
Alcohol is forbidden Baha'is in terms of drinking it or used say in cooking foods... however alcohol could be part of a prescription by a competent physician ... You'll note medications can have various substances that if not controlled could be deleterious. Alcohol could also be part of an antiseptic as well. So in controlled conditions alcohol can be of service.
Concerning your question with regard to the use of alcohol for rubbing: the believers can make any use of alcohol for any such treatments, provided they do not drink it, unless, of course, they are compelled to do so, under the advice of a competent and conscientious physician, who may have to prescribe it for the cure of some special ailment.
- Shoghi Effendi in a letter dated 28 July 1938
In terms of a Baha'i say who drinks alcohol .. They would first be counseled if they were aware that it was against Baha'i law... If they continued drinking they might be referred to a program for people having difficulty controlling their drinking. If this too fails it's possible the Baha'i could be sanctioned by loss of their administrative rights... however if in the future they were able to overcome their use of alcohol their rights could be restored.
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It is also allowed in Islam to use alcohol for medical, hygienic and cosmetic practices. It is just for leisure or social drinking that it is not allowed.
My version of Hinduism disallows alcohol (how do you spell?), and only certain mystics of my sect can smoke ganja but it is also disallowed for laymen such as me. Most all drugs except some medicines are disallowed.
Other things are "not recommended", e.g. sleeping late, many food restrictions. However, fighting for honor or self defense is allowed. Also, it is better a women burn herself to death than fall to the hands of an enemy. Royals can have multiple wives, or if you are rich enough to afford so and fully support each wife. In my version, women can also be warriors, but they are expected to marry. Eating using the left hand is dirty. It is disrespectful to point your feet at someone, especially if the person is a saint or religious teacher. We are burned when dead, hiowever a certain class of saints or gurus can be entombed and their tomb is a place to visit for blessings and communions with saint, God or "angels". Some rivers are holy. I can go on and on. Ramayana, Puranas, Agamas, lives of Saints all teach these things. Also Vedas.
Other things are "not recommended", e.g. sleeping late, many food restrictions. However, fighting for honor or self defense is allowed. Also, it is better a women burn herself to death than fall to the hands of an enemy. Royals can have multiple wives, or if you are rich enough to afford so and fully support each wife. In my version, women can also be warriors, but they are expected to marry. Eating using the left hand is dirty. It is disrespectful to point your feet at someone, especially if the person is a saint or religious teacher. We are burned when dead, hiowever a certain class of saints or gurus can be entombed and their tomb is a place to visit for blessings and communions with saint, God or "angels". Some rivers are holy. I can go on and on. Ramayana, Puranas, Agamas, lives of Saints all teach these things. Also Vedas.
Tomorrows_Child
Active Member
The Bible, which also includes the Old Testament, followed by some Jews, out right bans alcohol. As do scriptures from pretty much every other religion I have come across.
Having said that, it's only Muslims, by and large, that adhere to the "no alcohol" rule, although I have a Christian friend who only just gave up drinking (hope he keeps to it) and a Hindu friend who didn't drink alcohol or eat meat for a year, which was something to do with her religious ideology. I can't remember what.
Having said that, it's only Muslims, by and large, that adhere to the "no alcohol" rule, although I have a Christian friend who only just gave up drinking (hope he keeps to it) and a Hindu friend who didn't drink alcohol or eat meat for a year, which was something to do with her religious ideology. I can't remember what.
In Baha'i, if one's drinking is causing divisiveness to the community, the national Assembly can take away their right to vote as a Baha'i and their ability to go to feasts (our version of church)
Permanently go to hell?
Jumi
Well-Known Member
To be honest, I was never taught about Christianity(except Catholics) that hell would be anything other than permanent torture. I would have to ask them, but I think it's thought of as permanent. Once you're dead the choice is made.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Hinduism does not prohibit alcohol but is against excesses (Ati Sarvatra Varjayet - Excessiveness anywhere is prohibited). Brahmins were strictly forbidden to drink alcohol. They were not prohibited from taking marijuana drinks that we have in India (Bhang). The warrior class and Shudras also were advised against use of alcohol, but there was no prohibition for them. Vaishnavas too, who perhaps form the majority of Hindus are strictly prohibited from using alcohol. Again, the exception is marijuana. All who wanted spiritual advancement were prohibited from using alcohol as it will cloud the brain. Evil of the age (Kaliyuga) was allowed five places to live by King Pariksheet and one place was where alcohol is sold or drunk.
The story: "Once Pariksheet went hunting in the forest. The demon Kali, the embodiment of Kali Yuga, challenged him either to allow Kali to enter his kingdom or fight in a duel. Pariksheet defeated Kali in duel. Kali begged Pariksheet to give him some place to live because Kali said that he is here only because the will of God. Upon insisting, Pariksheet allowed him five places to reside: where there is gambling, alcohol consumption, prostitution, animal slaughter and gold. Kali smartly entered into Pariksheet's golden crown and spoiled his thoughts.
Pariksheet entered the hut of a sage named Shamika as he was thirsty. He found the sage in deep meditation. He bowed to him several times but as there was no response he took a dead snake and threw it around the sage's neck. Later when the sage's son, Sringin, heard of this incident he cursed the king to die of snake bite on the 7th day."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parik****#Death
The story: "Once Pariksheet went hunting in the forest. The demon Kali, the embodiment of Kali Yuga, challenged him either to allow Kali to enter his kingdom or fight in a duel. Pariksheet defeated Kali in duel. Kali begged Pariksheet to give him some place to live because Kali said that he is here only because the will of God. Upon insisting, Pariksheet allowed him five places to reside: where there is gambling, alcohol consumption, prostitution, animal slaughter and gold. Kali smartly entered into Pariksheet's golden crown and spoiled his thoughts.
Pariksheet entered the hut of a sage named Shamika as he was thirsty. He found the sage in deep meditation. He bowed to him several times but as there was no response he took a dead snake and threw it around the sage's neck. Later when the sage's son, Sringin, heard of this incident he cursed the king to die of snake bite on the 7th day."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parik****#Death
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Jws do not forbid drinking alcoholic beverages. Remember Jesus turned water into fine wine. We do believe smoking and drug abuse are contrary to God's commands. (2 Corinthians 7:1)
NewChapter
GiveMeATicketToWork
I would be drinking some Vodka right now if alcohol didn't clash with my prescription medication.
Rick O'Shez
Irishman bouncing off walls
In relation to Buddhism see #5 here:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sila/pancasila.html
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/ptf/dhamma/sila/pancasila.html