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Could God use the power of sin to save all people?

David1967

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Premium Member
Well there is the story of Jonah. He sinned by trying to flee from God instead of going to Nineveh as he was commanded. While on the ship God used Jonah's sin of disobedience to reveal Himself to the crew of the ship who before this incident had no knowledge of God.
 

Deidre

Well-Known Member
Well, we sin, but God still can use us to bring about a greater good, despite it. Just my take on it, anyways.
 

DawudTalut

Peace be upon you.
Are there any rational or spiritual (scriptural) arguments for or against this?
I shared my thoughts here and this is from a "Christian" perspective. If this offends you please just ignore it.
http://kickedoutofchurch.com/sin-making-its-home-in-me/
Peace be on you.
In general, God sends Prophets to stop people from disobeying [sin] Him and come to Him so that people should learn to have peace with God and other fellows and self......When virtuous persons forget or do error about following God's directives, God reminds them by His mercy. Adam forgot some thing, then repented, he was forgiven, according to Quran.

As much oppression is done to Prophets, God shows more and more signs. Crime against God and humanity is sin. Sin may be due to on purpose, or due to forgetfulness or error in judgement. It is not a good thing but sometimes it may attract more truth.
 
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Neo Deist

Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Being the creator of the universe and all powerful, I am sure God could do whatever He wanted. Who are we to limit or define His power?
 

we-live-now

Active Member
I really don't see a connection between the "power of sin" and the Spirit of Truth.

It's the Spirit of Truth that works inside us to reveal God's perfect requirements that his law demands.

When he speaks to us inside, we realize we can NOT meet those perfect requirements and thus we "fall short". This "gap" is the part of us that is "missing" or "sin". The true meaning of the original word for sin is "missing" (the mark) or "falling short".

(This is a side note, but I am convinced that the "gap" is the same spiritual gap of Luke 16:19-31 in the parable of "Lazarus and the rich man". We are currently separated spiritually from other parts of our spiritual selves. One part of us is "Lazarus" and one part is "the rich man" and a third part is "Abraham". Between them there is an impassible "gap" or "chasm". No man right now can "cross this (spiritual) chasm" as no man can fulfill the law perfectly)

This is the job of his Spirit to reveal this to us so we will ultimately trust in his righteousness as a gift. But first he must reveal to us "the truth" that he law demands (via the spirit of Truth/the helper), it exposes and convicts us of "sin" which is just our inability to perfectly uphold his perfect law.

But I tell you the truth, it is profitable for you that I should go away; for unless I go away the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you." And He, when He comes, will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment; John 16:7-8

All God needs to do is reveal his perfect standard to us in our hearts and we KNOW we "fall short" and this reveals sin to us. At this point, we can choose to be condemned inside (which is really US trying to fulfill the law ourselves which is PRIDE) or we can freely accept his righteousness as a gift and thus, he fulfills the law for us and in us.
 

we-live-now

Active Member
Well there is the story of Jonah. He sinned by trying to flee from God instead of going to Nineveh as he was commanded. While on the ship God used Jonah's sin of disobedience to reveal Himself to the crew of the ship who before this incident had no knowledge of God.

It's interesting you say that because Jesus also said "the men if nineve" (Nineveh?) will rise up in the judgment and condemn this current generation..."
 

arthra

Baha'i
But first he must reveal to us "the truth" that he law demands (via the spirit of Truth/the helper), it exposes and convicts us of "sin" which is just our inability to perfectly uphold his perfect law.

Yes it's the "conviction of sin"... "our inability"... that concerns me.

When he speaks to us inside, we realize we can NOT meet those perfect requirements and thus we "fall short".

I really feel that some effort is required of us to strive...

7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

(King James Bible, Matthew)


5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 5:45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

(King James Bible, Matthew)

Also if you consider how the "Spirit of Truth" is used in scripture it implies a future Prophet...

16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

(King James Bible, John)
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Are there any rational or spiritual (scriptural) arguments for or against this?
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We know of the exception concerning the unforgivable sin - Matthew 12:32 and Hebrews 6:4-6 - so the power of sin does Not save them.
There is No promise of universal salvation - Exodus 34:7 - because God in His power will Not clear the guilty.
Notice what Jesus does according to Isaiah 11:3-4 and at Revelation 19:11; Revelation 19:15-17; Revelation 19:21; Jeremiah 25:31-33
The wicked will be destroyed forever ( annihilated ) - Psalms 92:7
However, God does use the ' power of repentance ' - 2 Peter 3:9 - to avoid people from perishing ( be destroyed) if they will repent - Deuteronomy 30:19
At the soon coming ' time of separation ' to take place on earth - Matthew 25:31-33 - the haughty ' goats', so to speak, will be destroyed - 2 Thessalonians 1:9
So, the ' goats ' will Not be part of the MANY who will be saved - Matthew 20:28, saved/ delivered/ rescued through the coming great tribulation - Revelation 7:14
 
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