• Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

An Act Of War!

Ken Brown

Ken Brown

Well-Known Member
outhouse said:
Where does he say Jesus spoke Hebrew?, supply the link and quote the sentence
Click to expand...
Shalom outhouse, would that convince you that Yeshua could have had a "Hebrew" name, and that He spoke Hebrew, if I did? What if I would give you other qualified scholars that state Yeshua had a "Hebrew" name, and spoke Hebrew, would that convince you also, or would I be wasting my time? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
L

Latuwr

Member
Hi Antithesis33,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

This morning, I again saw the Moon in the vicinity of the Morning Star.

My Messiah said this about HIS assigned role in the work of YAHWEH:

Luke 22:20

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

Of course, from the perspective of Messiah Yahushua, this Cup was not freely offered up by Messiah for mankind (see Luke 22:42); yet, Messiah drank of this Cup according to the will of ELOHIM (see John 18:11). From there and elsewhere we learn that neither Messiah nor HIS Believers can fight in a physical sense against the drinking of this Cup.

So, what in all the world is the Cup? The Cup is the Cross, and the Cross is the spiritual fulfillment of the Word. As it is written:

Isaiah 28:21

21 For YAHWEH shall rise up as in mount Perazim, he shall be wroth as in the valley of Gibeon, that he may do his work, his strange work; and bring to pass his act, his strange act.

22 Now therefore be ye not mockers, lest your bands be made strong: for I have heard from ADONOY YAHWEH of hosts a consumption (complete destruction), even determined upon the whole earth.

There exist now many mockers concerning the overwhelming destruction and complete slaughter brought about by YAHWEH ELOHIM through the Cross of Messiah Yahushua. They actually have no idea how YAHWEH fights when HE goes to war.

Welcome to this discussion!

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr
 
L

Latuwr

Member
Hi Moorea944,

Blessings to you through Messiah Yahushua, My YAHWEH and My ELOHIM!

You wrote:

"The cross was not an act of war, but an act of love. "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

The Apostle Paul indicated that the love, that is, the agape is (the) completion of law (see Romans 13:10). What therefore do Christians like yourself mean when you say that ELOHIM loved the world? I mean, what law did ELOHIM fulfill through this THEIR act of love?

Thanking you in advance should you be moved to reply, I am,

Sincerely, Latuwr
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Ken Brown said:
would that convince you that Yeshua could have had a "Hebrew" name, and that He spoke Hebrew, if I did?
Click to expand...

You know a little thing your fighting against called academia.

No credible university teaches jesus spoke Hebrew because we know he lived in an Aramaic village, next to a Koine city.

Ken Brown said:
What if I would give you other qualified scholars
Click to expand...

You don't have any. I know most of them.
 
Ken Brown

Ken Brown

Well-Known Member
outhouse said:
You know a little thing your fighting against called academia.

No credible university teaches jesus spoke Hebrew because we know he lived in an Aramaic village, next to a Koine city.



You don't have any. I know most of them.
Click to expand...
Shalom outhouse, do you know Dr. David Flusser, it might behoove you to know him, as he was very credible (he died in 2000), and he would support Yeshua having a Hebrew name, and that He and His Disciples spoke Hebrew. Here again, it's a matter of the so called "experts" agreeing or disagreeing, and from what I have gleaned from listening to you, any expert that gives information which would cast doubt on a historical view of the Scriptures, you will support that "expert," and denounce the others. Yes, no, maybe? So it is just a matter of who you want to put your faith in. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
Ken Brown

Ken Brown

Well-Known Member
outhouse said:
what part of this don't you understand???????


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus

It is generally agreed that Jesus and his disciples primarily spoke Aramaic, the common language of Judea in the first century AD, most likely a Galilean dialect distinguishable from that of Jerusalem

The towns of Nazareth and Capernaum in Galilee, where Jesus spent most of his time, were Aramaic-speaking communities
Click to expand...
Shalom outhouse, here is a quote from Dr. David Flusser, and he addresses the "other" scholars, and their error:

"The spoken languages among the Jews of that period [at the time of Jesus] were Hebrew, Aramaic, and to an extent Greek. Until recently, it was believed by numerous scholars that the language spoken by Jesus' disciples was Aramaic. It is possible that Jesus did, from time to time, make use of the Aramaic language. But during that period Hebrew was both the daily language and the language of study. The Gospel of Mark contains a few Aramaic words, and this was what misled scholars. Today, after the discovery of the Hebrew Ben Sira (Ecclesiasticus), of the Dead Sea Scrolls, and of the Bar Kochba Letters, and in light of more profound studies of the language of the Jewish Sages, it is accepted that most people were fluent in Hebrew."

So outhouse, here is a "scholar" who addresses the ERROR of his fellow scholars. Is he in error? Which scholar do you put your faith in? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
Ken Brown

Ken Brown

Well-Known Member
outhouse said:
he was a orthodox biased jew and held no credibility on this topic, he also called jesus Yeshu and based this from the talmud

He had some popularity in Germany, not here
Click to expand...
Shalom outhouse, please present one of your "scholars" who addresses the "credibility" of Dr. David Flusser, and his "unpopularity" here. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
Ken Brown

Ken Brown

Well-Known Member
outhouse said:
That's right but he does not correct (Really, he says they are in ERROR and explains WHY they are in ERROR, and then produces the evidence for believing that "most people were fluent in Hebrew." Which you and your scholars object too.)

That's taking it out of context, it does not make him right

he factually corrected nothing, he argued his biased opinion.
Click to expand...
Shalom outhouse, yes, he argued an opinion, based upon "credentials" that are impeccable, Dr. David Flusser. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Aramaic

In this example, Josephus refers to an Aramaic word as belonging to "our language": "This new-built part of the city was called 'Bezetha,' in our language, which, if interpreted in the Grecian language, may be called 'the New City.'"[14]

Unlike Josephus and other Hebrew priests at Jerusalem, the people of first-century Israel had no knowledge of Hebrew, as is confirmed throughout New Testament. On several occasions in New Testament, Aramaic words are called Hebrew. For example, in John 19:17 (KJV), the gospel-writer narrates that Jesus, "bearing his cross[,] went forth into a place called the place of a skull, which is called in the Hebrew Golgotha." the last word is, in fact, Aramaic. The word "Golgotha" is a transliteration of an Aramaic word, because -tha in Golgotha is the Aramaic definite article on a feminine noun in an emphatic state.[15]


YOU calling the NT a LIAR Ken?????????
 
Ken Brown

Ken Brown

Well-Known Member
outhouse said:
what part of this don't you understand???????


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Language_of_Jesus

It is generally agreed that Jesus and his disciples primarily spoke Aramaic
Click to expand...
Shalom outhouse, this boils down to a very good example of how "experts" can agree to disagree. One expert says there is "global warming," and another has evidence that refutes it. Who do you put your faith in? Which expert is right? Oh yes, the "wikipedia" expert is the ONLY one we should listen to, they are ALWAYS right, right? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
You need to take a class on the topic, arguing because your stubborn and refuse credible knowledge, and don't know what knowledge is in this case, is not how you debate the topic
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Ken Brown said:
Shalom outhouse, this boils down to a very good example of how "experts" can agree to disagree. One expert says there is "global warming," and another has evidence that refutes it. Who do you put your faith in? Which expert is right? Oh yes, the "wikipedia" expert is the ONLY one we should listen to, they are ALWAYS right, right? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
Click to expand...

No that is all wrong.

Sorry you don't get to move forward when you have no clue about the topic you debate. You do not get to refute credible academia when you don't have an education on the topic.
 
outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Ken Brown said:
this boils down to a very good example of how "experts" can agree to disagree.
Click to expand...

You picked one oddball out of thousands of credible teachers. There area few more.

But they do not have credibility.

You also picked an orthodox jew as your source :rolleyes:
 
prometheus11

prometheus11

Well-Known Member
To the OP:

It's pretty simple.

Christ, by example, died to win.

Mohammed, by example, killed to win.

Muslims kill and Christians die and both win...according to their names.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top