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More on Adam and Eve

EnhancedSpirit

High Priestess
Mykola said:
What are these suggestions based on?
If they're based on Gen 1:27 or Gen 5:2, there are no shade of 'both'. He created man and woman, not an androgyne.
I first read about it when I was studying about the Kabbalah, but it has come up in other places as well, so it was the Jews that first introduced the idea to me. In Gen 1:27, it doesn't say man and woman, it says . . .

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. [/FONT]
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Adam was made both male and female and was told to be fruitful and multiply before Eve came into the story.
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Tiberius

Well-Known Member
Mykola said:
"Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years" (Gen. 1:14)

Wouldn't it have been easier to take this magic light source that was already there and simply flick it one and off every day?

There is nothing that the sun does that the magic light could have already done with minor modifications.

Enhacned Spirit said:
1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 1:28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Adam is a "them" now? Them = more than one person. Can you please show me how Adam was more than one person?
 

Mykola

Member
Tiberius said:
Wouldn't it have been easier to take this magic light source that was already there and simply flick it one and off every day? There is nothing that the sun does that the magic light could have already done with minor modifications.

I don't know, seriously... But I still like it the way it is now :)

Tiberius said:
Adam is a "them" now? Them = more than one person. Can you please show me how Adam was more than one person?

Ever heard of synecdoche?
Show you what... http://www.sil.org/Linguistics/GlossaryOfLinguisticTerms/WhatIsASynecdoche.htm

How's the "man" is "Adam only" (which you're seem to be asserting)?
 

Tiberius

Well-Known Member
I'm just saying that according to that Bible verse, more then one person was created. Hence the term THEM. Them is a plural, after all.
 

Halcyon

Lord of the Badgers
Tiberius said:
Adam is a "them" now? Them = more than one person. Can you please show me how Adam was more than one person?
Adam as well as a name, also means humanity as a whole. Eve means life.
 

BruceDLimber

Well-Known Member
Greetings, all!

The Baha'i scriptures contain quite a different take on Adam and Eve which you might find interesting! I quote it in full below.

Regards,

Bruce
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Chapter 30: ADAM AND EVE​

Question.—What is the truth of the story of Adam, and His eating of the fruit of the tree?

Answer.—In the Bible it is written that God put Adam in the garden of Eden, to cultivate and take care of it, and said to Him: “Eat of every tree of the garden except the tree of good and evil, for if You eat of that, You will die.” _/1 Then it is said that God caused Adam to sleep, and He took one of His ribs and created woman in order that she might be His companion. After that it is said the serpent induced the woman to eat of the tree, saying: “God has forbidden you to eat of the tree in order that your eyes may not be opened, and that you may not know good from evil.” _/2 Then Eve ate from the tree and gave unto Adam, Who also ate; their eyes were opened, they found themselves naked, and they hid their bodies with leaves. In consequence of this act they received the reproaches of God. God said to Adam: “Hast Thou eaten of the forbidden tree?” Adam answered: “Eve tempted Me, and I did eat.” God then reproved Eve; Eve said: “The serpent tempted me, and I did eat.” For this the serpent was cursed, and enmity was put between the serpent and Eve, and between their descendants. And God said: “The man is become like unto Us, knowing good and evil, and perhaps He will eat of the tree of life and live forever.” So God guarded the tree of life. _/3
If we take this story in its apparent meaning, according to the interpretation of the masses, it is indeed extraordinary. The intelligence cannot accept it, affirm it, or imagine it; for such arrangements, such details, such speeches and reproaches are far from being those of an intelligent man, how much less of the Divinity—that Divinity Who has organized this infinite universe in the most perfect form, and its innumerable inhabitants with absolute system, strength and perfection.
We must reflect a little: if the literal meaning of this story were attributed to a wise man, certainly all would logically deny that this arrangement, this invention, could have emanated from an intelligent being. Therefore, this story of Adam and Eve who ate from the tree, and their expulsion from Paradise, must be thought of simply as a symbol. It contains divine mysteries and universal meanings, and it is capable of marvelous explanations. Only those who are initiated into mysteries, and those who are near the Court of the All-Powerful, are aware of these secrets. Hence these verses of the Bible have numerous meanings.
We will explain one of them, and we will say: Adam signifies the heavenly spirit of Adam, and Eve His human soul. For in some passages in the Holy Books where women are mentioned, they represent the soul of man. The tree of good and evil signifies the human world; for the spiritual and divine world is purely good and absolutely luminous, but in the human world light and darkness, good and evil, exist as opposite conditions.
The meaning of the serpent is attachment to the human world. This attachment of the spirit to the human world led the soul and spirit of Adam from the world of freedom to the world of bondage and caused Him to turn from the Kingdom of Unity to the human world. When the soul and spirit of Adam entered the human world, He came out from the paradise of freedom and fell into the world of bondage. From the height of purity and absolute goodness, He entered into the world of good and evil.
The tree of life is the highest degree of the world of existence: the position of the Word of God, and the supreme Manifestation. Therefore, that position has been preserved; and, at the appearance of the most noble supreme Manifestation, it became apparent and clear. For the position of Adam, with regard to the appearance and manifestation of the divine perfections, was in the embryonic condition; the position of Christ was the condition of maturity and the age of reason; and the rising of the Greatest Luminary _/4 was the condition of the perfection of the essence and of the qualities. This is why in the supreme Paradise the tree of life is the expression for the center of absolutely pure sanctity—that is to say, of the divine supreme Manifestation. From the days of Adam until the days of Christ, They spoke little of eternal life and the heavenly universal perfections. This tree of life was the position of the Reality of Christ; through His manifestation it was planted and adorned with everlasting fruits.
Now consider how far this meaning conforms to the reality. For the spirit and the soul of Adam, when they were attached to the human world, passed from the world of freedom into the world of bondage, and His descendants continued in bondage. This attachment of the soul and spirit to the human world, which is sin, was inherited by the descendants of Adam, and is the serpent which is always in the midst of, and at enmity with, the spirits and the descendants of Adam. That enmity continues and endures. For attachment to the world has become the cause of the bondage of spirits, and this bondage is identical with sin, which has been transmitted from Adam to His posterity. It is because of this attachment that men have been deprived of essential spirituality and exalted position.
When the sanctified breezes of Christ and the holy light of the Greatest Luminary _/5 were spread abroad, the human realities—that is to say, those who turned toward the Word of God and received the profusion of His bounties—were saved from this attachment and sin, obtained everlasting life, were delivered from the chains of bondage, and attained to the world of liberty. They were freed from the vices of the human world, and were blessed by the virtues of the Kingdom. This is the meaning of the words of Christ, “I gave My blood for the life of the world” _/6 —that is to say, I have chosen all these troubles, these sufferings, calamities, and even the greatest martyrdom, to attain this object, the remission of sins (that is, the detachment of spirits from the human world, and their attraction to the divine world) in order that souls may arise who will be the very essence of the guidance of mankind, and the manifestations of the perfections of the Supreme Kingdom.
Observe that if, according to the suppositions of the People of the Book, _/7 the meaning were taken in its exoteric sense, it would be absolute injustice and complete predestination. If Adam sinned by going near the forbidden tree, what was the sin of the glorious Abraham, and what was the error of Moses the Interlocutor? What was the crime of Noah the Prophet? What was the transgression of Joseph the Truthful? What was the iniquity of the Prophets of God, and what was the trespass of John the Chaste? Would the justice of God have allowed these enlightened Manifestations, on account of the sin of Adam, to find torment in hell until Christ came and by the sacrifice of Himself saved them from excruciating tortures? Such an idea is beyond every law and rule and cannot be accepted by any intelligent person.
No; it means what has already been said: Adam is the spirit of Adam, and Eve is His soul; the tree is the human world, and the serpent is that attachment to this world which constitutes sin, and which has infected the descendants of Adam. Christ by His holy breezes saved men from this attachment and freed them from this sin. The sin in Adam is relative to His position. Although from this attachment there proceed results, nevertheless, attachment to the earthly world, in relation to attachment to the spiritual world, is considered as a sin. The good deeds of the righteous are the sins of the Near Ones. This is established. So bodily power is not only defective in relation to spiritual power; it is weakness in comparison. In the same way, physical life, in comparison with eternal life in the Kingdom, is considered as death. So Christ called the physical life death, and said: “Let the dead bury their dead.” _/8 Though those souls possessed physical life, yet in His eyes that life was death.
This is one of the meanings of the biblical story of Adam. Reflect until you discover the others.
Salutations be upon you.

[footnotes]

1.Cf. Genesis 2:16–17. 2.Cf. Genesis 3:5. 3.Cf. Genesis 3:11–15,22 4.Bahá’u’lláh. 5.Bahá’u’lláh. 6.Cf. John 6:51. 7.Jews and Christians. 8.Matthew 8:22.
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from Some Answered Questions, pp. 122-126
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
The defender's notes in the KJV are verbose on the subject, but they do help understand the distinction.

(Notes in quote marks)

1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

As the "Spirit" of God "moved" (Genesis 1:2), so now the Word of God speaks in Genesis 1:3. The result is light, the energizing of the vast cosmos through the marvelous electro-magnetic force system which maintains all structures and processes in matter. These varied energies include not only visible light, but also all the short-wave radiations (ultra-violet, x-rays, etc.) and the long-wave radiations (infra-red, radio waves, etc.), as well as heat, sound, electricity, magnetism, molecular inter-actions, etc. "Light," the most basic form of energy, is mentioned specifically, but its existence necessarily implies the activation of all forms of electro-magnetic energies. Light was not created, since God Himself dwells in light. On the other hand, He created darkness (Isaiah 45:7). The existence of visible light prior to the establishment of the sun, moon and stars (Genesis 1:16) emphasizes the fact that light (energy) is more fundamental than light givers. God could just as easily (perhaps more easily) have created waves of light energy as He could have constructed material bodies in which processes function which generate light energy. The first is direct (since God is light), the second indirect. For the creation of such light generators, see note on Genesis 1:14.

1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.

That these rays of light energy included the visible light spectrum is obvious by its separation from the newly created "darkness." That most of this visible light emanated from one direction in space and, further, that the newly-sphericized earth began now to rotate on its axis, is shown by the establishment of a cyclical succession of "Day" and "Night," which has continued ever since.

1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

The use of "Day" (Hebrew yom) in Genesis 1:5 is its first occurrence in Scripture, and here it is specifically defined by God as "the light" in the cyclical succession of light and darkness which has, ever since, constituted a s...?
The use of "evening and morning" in that order is significant. As each day's work was accomplished during the "light," there was a cessation of God's activity during the "darkness." Consequently, there was nothing to report between "evening and morning." The beginning of the next day's activity began with the next period of light, after the "morning," or better, "dawning." The literal sense of the formula after each day's work is: "Then there was dusk, then dawn, ending the first day."

1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

On the first day, God had said: "Let there be light" (Hebrew or). Now He says: "Let there be lights" (ma-or). Light energy was activated first, but now great masses of material (part of the "earth" elements created on the first day) were gathered together in one of the firmaments, or spaces, of the cosmos--the space beyond the waters above the space adjacent to the earth. These great bodies were set burning in complex chemical and nuclear reactions, to serve henceforth as light-givers for the earth.
The Hebrew word for "signs" is the same word (oth) used for Cain's "mark" (Genesis 4:15) and for Noah's "token" (meaning the rainbow--Genesis 9:12). Evidently the stars were arranged by God to signify something to those on the earth, not just scattered evenly or randomly around in space. God even named the stars and their constellations (Job 38:31-33; Isaiah 40:26). For their possible significance, see notes on Amos 5:8; Job 9:9; 26:13; 38:32.

The establishment of "seasons" (and these were not simply religious seasons, but actual climatological seasons) indicates that the earth was formed with an axial inclination from the beginning, for this is the basic cause of its seasons.

1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.


1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

 
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