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How to find the truth (in Christianity)

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
With all the religions who accept Jesus as their Savior, there are numerous realms of thought and doctrine. How could a person choose which has Christ's approval? Jesus' words at Matthew 7:21-23 come to mind. It does matter.

Interestingly, and fortunately for us, Jesus didn't say how to ID his true followers by what they teach, but rather, by how they act!!

Read, please, John 13:34-35. "Love among themselves," huh? Don't a lot of groups? No doubt! So how would this love be different, to the point that "all will know" that they would be his disciples? Well, didn't Jesus say that his followers would be earth wide, in all the nations (Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 1:8)? This 'love among themselves' would have to transcend all barriers -- national, political, racial, etc. A truly united, global brotherhood, unaffected by the world's divisive wars. It would have to be different from the world. -- James 4:4.
 

Timothy Bryce

Active Member
It's a literary expression of an ideal. I would argue a decent one but definitely not a new ideal. I see no truth in Jesus being transcendent of any kind either.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
With all the religions who accept Jesus as their Savior, there are numerous realms of thought and doctrine. How could a person choose which has Christ's approval? Jesus' words at Matthew 7:21-23 come to mind. It does matter.

Interestingly, and fortunately for us, Jesus didn't say how to ID his true followers by what they teach, but rather, by how they act!!

Read, please, John 13:34-35. "Love among themselves," huh? Don't a lot of groups? No doubt! So how would this love be different, to the point that "all will know" that they would be his disciples? Well, didn't Jesus say that his followers would be earth wide, in all the nations (Matthew 28:19-20; Acts 1:8)? This 'love among themselves' would have to transcend all barriers -- national, political, racial, etc. A truly united, global brotherhood, unaffected by the world's divisive wars. It would have to be different from the world. -- James 4:4.

I kept re-reading this. I see no truth (I cant see it as reality) in Christianity. We cannot evangalize; but, how would you explain how your post is truth that which seekers (In DIR) "may" learn from?

If you are looking for a varied discussion of strong opinions, you can post this in religious debates.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
It's a literary expression of an ideal. I would argue a decent one but definitely not a new ideal. I see no truth in Jesus being transcendent of any kind either.

I guess I should have added this: "So, look for a religion that has a united, global, loving brotherhood, that tries to live by Jesus' commands and avoid divisive, worldly barriers."

Do you think a religion like that exists?
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
I kept re-reading this. I see no truth (I cant see it as reality) in Christianity. We cannot evangalize; but, how would you explain how your post is truth that which seekers (In DIR) "may" learn from?

If you are looking for a varied discussion of strong opinions, you can post this in religious debates.


I guess I should have added this: "So, look for a religion that not only tries to live by Jesus' commands and avoid divisive, worldly barriers, but also has a united, global, loving brotherhood." That's one of the keys, a major one!

Do you think a religion like this exists?

Just curious, you say "we cannot evangelize"? Why not? Is it against the law in your country, or what?
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
The only sect of Christianity that's truly global, crossing ethnic barriers and maintaining unity is really Catholicism. There's over a billion members of the Church all over the globe, of virtually all ethnic groups. It's not tied to any specific culture or political ideology.
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
I guess I should have added this: "So, look for a religion that not only tries to live by Jesus' commands and avoid divisive, worldly barriers, but also has a united, global, loving brotherhood." That's one of the keys, a major one!

Do you think a religion like this exists?

Just curious, you say "we cannot evangelize"? Why not? Is it against the law in your country, or what?

Lol. Its not the law of life. We cant evangalize on Religious Forums (RF). We understand your passion in faith, and for myself, I find it bothersome that anyone would evangize to me as if what I believe is wrong. It comes off that way when stating beliefs as facts.

Anyway, though.

The religion or path I follow is one that many who believe and follow ancestral spirits follow. We receive the same brotherly love from our loved ones as we do from the spirits of the earth (or from our individual faith). Many of us do not see Jesus as the core of our practice. That is okay.

A lot of seekers are coming from christian beliefs because they are limited to think for themselves. They (some here, some there) harbor ill feelings about evangization. And so on...

All I can advise, though, is let seekers find the truth that calls to them. We think of others before ourselves and we help people on Their terms not our own. That is unconditional love.

I dont see that in the god you follow; and, that is okay. Post your thoughts in Religious Debates for a good talk. Learn about different believers views in Comparative Religion. Share with like minds in the DIR you associate with. Just let people find their way...encourage them with general support and if they ask about Jesus, let it rip.
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
The only sect of Christianity that's truly global, crossing ethnic barriers and maintaining unity is really Catholicism. There's over a billion members of the Church all over the globe, of virtually all ethnic groups. It's not tied to any specific culture or political ideology.

No, there are other religions....but let's examine the Catholics:
So, they meet the "global" category. What about the main one, "loving their brothers"? I.e., each other, regardless of race or nationality? I seem to recall many instances of Catholic leaders -- bishops, etc. -- on both sides of a conflict, encouraging their members to take sides, even as recent as the racial genocide in Rwanda, back in the '90's! Racial ideals took precedence over spiritual brotherhood ideals! So much for love!

But really, a follower of Christ should heed Jesus' command to even 'love their enemy.' A VERY unpopular stance in this divisive world, especially during war! But, Jesus warned his (real [Matthew 7:21-23])) followers that they would be 'hated by the world.' (John 15:17-19) Yet, at the same time, admired for their good conduct.(1 Peter 2:12 ; compare 1 Peter 3:16)
A Christian cannot be a "friend of the world" and still be God's friend. -- James 4:4.

Jesus didn't say it would be easy; that's why his followers would basically stick to themselves, and avoid too much worldly association. Like the first-century Christians, when the Apostles were in control. Once they died, though, things went haywire!
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Lol. Its not the law of life. We cant evangalize on Religious Forums (RF). We understand your passion in faith, and for myself, I find it bothersome that anyone would evangize to me as if what I believe is wrong. It comes off that way when stating beliefs as facts.

Anyway, though.

The religion or path I follow is one that many who believe and follow ancestral spirits follow. We receive the same brotherly love from our loved ones as we do from the spirits of the earth (or from our individual faith). Many of us do not see Jesus as the core of our practice. That is okay.

A lot of seekers are coming from christian beliefs because they are limited to think for themselves. They (some here, some there) harbor ill feelings about evangization. And so on...

All I can advise, though, is let seekers find the truth that calls to them. We think of others before ourselves and we help people on Their terms not our own. That is unconditional love.

I dont see that in the god you follow; and, that is okay. Post your thoughts in Religious Debates for a good talk. Learn about different believers views in Comparative Religion. Share with like minds in the DIR you associate with. Just let people find their way...encourage them with general support and if they ask about Jesus, let it rip.

Ok, thanks for your kind reply. I hope I didn't offend, that was not my intent! I am passionate on the subject. For the record, I didn't mention any particular religion, I was simply stating what a person could search for, according to Jesus' words.

BTW, you stated, "I dont see that in the god you follow;" I don't believe I mentioned the God I worship....who do you think I worship? it's not Jesus.

Take care.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
No, there are other religions....but let's examine the Catholics:
So, they meet the "global" category. What about the main one, "loving their brothers"? I.e., each other, regardless of race or nationality? I seem to recall many instances of Catholic leaders -- bishops, etc. -- on both sides of a conflict, encouraging their members to take sides, even as recent as the racial genocide in Rwanda, back in the '90's! Racial ideals took precedence over spiritual brotherhood ideals! So much for love!

But really, a follower of Christ should heed Jesus' command to even 'love their enemy.' A VERY unpopular stance in this divisive world, especially during war! But, Jesus warned his (real [Matthew 7:21-23])) followers that they would be 'hated by the world.' (John 15:17-19) Yet, at the same time, admired for their good conduct.(1 Peter 2:12 ; compare 1 Peter 3:16)
A Christian cannot be a "friend of the world" and still be God's friend. -- James 4:4.

Jesus didn't say it would be easy; that's why his followers would basically stick to themselves, and avoid too much worldly association. Like the first-century Christians, when the Apostles were in control. Once they died, though, things went haywire!
Going by that standard, all denominations of Christianity fall short due to the actions of their members. Good luck trying to find your perfect Christian sect that consists of humans. :rolleyes:
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
Going by that standard, all denominations of Christianity fall short due to the actions of their members. Good luck trying to find your perfect Christian sect that consists of humans. :rolleyes:


Good luck trying to find your perfect Christian sect that consists of humans. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
(Lol. The irony is not lost on me.)
I know it existed with Christians in the first century (imperfect though they were), before it was infiltrated with godless men, during the Apostles' guidance, but especially after the Apostles' death. And I know there's a God.... ONE God. It stands to reason that there would be ONE religion that His spirit would be active upon. And He would want people to find Him, so His worshippers would be active preaching about Him, as Jesus did.

Oh, grief....just saw your religion status: Catholicism. I'm sorry for my previous comment. I'll just shut up now.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
(Lol. The irony is not lost on me.)
I know it existed with Christians in the first century (imperfect though they were), before it was infiltrated with godless men, during the Apostles' guidance, but especially after the Apostles' death. And I know there's a God.... ONE God. It stands to reason that there would be ONE religion that His spirit would be active upon. And He would want people to find Him, so His worshippers would be active preaching about Him, as Jesus did.

Oh, grief....just saw your religion status: Catholicism. I'm sorry for my previous comment. I'll just shut up now.
Lol. No worries. I'm not that sensitive. ;)
 

Unveiled Artist

Veteran Member
Ok, thanks for your kind reply. I hope I didn't offend, that was not my intent! I am passionate on the subject. For the record, I didn't mention any particular religion, I was simply stating what a person could search for, according to Jesus' words.

BTW, you stated, "I dont see that in the god you follow;" I don't believe I mentioned the God I worship....who do you think I worship? it's not Jesus.

Take care.
I was thinking it was Jesus by how the post was written. Who Do you worship?o_O
 

Hockeycowboy

Witness for Jehovah
Premium Member
I was thinking it was Jesus by how the post was written. Who Do you worship?o_O

Hey, Carlita! Hope you had a good nights sleep.

Actually, I only worship his Father. This is Who Jesus worshipped, and Who the Jews worshipped (John 20:17), YHWH, also known as Yahweh in Hebrew, Jehová in Spanish, Jehovah in English. This is the One who "sent His son," Jesus, to the Earth as a ransom. -- John 3:16; compare John 17:3; also, Matthew 20:28. (I totally believe the Bible, as I feel that its original manuscripts are the only inspired writings from God.)

Take care!
 
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Timothy Bryce

Active Member
The only sect of Christianity that's truly global, crossing ethnic barriers and maintaining unity is really Catholicism. There's over a billion members of the Church all over the globe, of virtually all ethnic groups. It's not tied to any specific culture or political ideology.

That's nauseating to think about. Luckily, a lot of those "members" don't take matters like spirituality seriously and only really "default" to "Catholicism" when pressed.
 

Timothy Bryce

Active Member

I'll restate then?

From my perspective, I find it to be nauseating that the Catholic church is so rich, powerful and has such a huge following. Therefore, I am hopeful that many of those who identify as catholics only do so due to cultural reasons and a lack of thought given to the topic. "Census box ticking catholics" - who otherwise aren't influenced by it in their lives.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I'll restate then?

From my perspective, I find it to be nauseating that the Catholic church is so rich, powerful and has such a huge following. Therefore, I am hopeful that many of those who identify as catholics only do so due to cultural reasons and a lack of thought given to the topic. "Census box ticking catholics" - who otherwise aren't influenced by it in their lives.
That's nice... :rolleyes:
 
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