"Why is murder wrong?"

lol, yeah, a killing that would be murder for anyone else is considered "good" when God does it. Yeah, people are soooo silly for calling that murder. Lol.

The bible is full of stupid stuff but I'm not going to give any examples of anything. If you don't see it already, then you won't be convinced by me.

I don't think anyone would want to be murdered, so because we don't want to be murdered, we don't do it to others, so we all agree that murder is wrong, unless your a psychopath.

sojourner said:

Murder certainly isn't vague. It's a legal term. And it's well-defined.
If God commands it, it's not "murder."

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A legal term you say. Then what law says that "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another" doesn't qualify as murder if the killing is ordered by god?.

Ok. Fine. First 5 minutes:

1) There is no hell in a cosmological sense.
2) People don't go to a non-existent place for disbelief in magic tricks.
3) Jesus doesn't do magic tricks. Miracles aren't the same thing as magic tricks, theologically speaking. Magic connotes human manipulation of the natural order. Miracles are God's inexplicable acts.
4) Jesus gives no "ultimatum."
5) Hate isn't necessarily "sin." Indifferences comes closer to sin than hatred.
6) There is no heaven in a cosmological sense. However, people are themselves when they are "in God."
7) Thinking is a good idea. God condones the exercise of our intellect.
8) Morality doesn't require God.
9) Morality is subjective.
10) The Law says murder is wrong. It's a legal transgression, first and foremost. The whole chicken-and-egg proposition in the vid is nothing more than misdirection.
11-14) These treat religious law, metaphor, and myth as cosmological -- which they're not.
11) "God says" isn't "arbitrary." "God says" is both metaphorical and theological.
12) Not sure legal adherence has anything to do with "God's nature."
13) God didn't "decide" God's nature. God is who God is. Period.
14) God's "nature" is, likewise, metaphorical and theological.

The infantile mistake the video makes is in proposing cosmological arguments when there is nothing cosmological to argue.

Skwim said:

A legal term you say. Then what law says that "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another" doesn't qualify as murder if the killing is ordered by god?.

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Misread your question. Trying again.

Because the legal parameters for "murder" don't include "because God told me to" in the world of biblical teaching.

The mistake y'all are making is in conflating "murder" with "killing." Murder is killing, but it's a very specific and legally-defined sort of killing. Murder is wrong because murder is illegal. Period. The morality or immorality of killing is another matter entirely. Perhaps if the OP had said, "Why is killing wrong?" we'd have a valid debate topic. But as it stands, the OP is easily and summarily answered. All the insipid video manages to do is muddy the water.

Valjean said:

If you're not willing to take the time to read/watch the argument presented by the OP, how can you legitimately post a response?

Where do people come by the knowledge their opinions are based on these days, if they don't have the attention span to read the paper or listen to discussions?

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lol not sure why, but this made me laugh out loud

According to a traditional view of the bible, the video nails it. Precisely highlights gods hypocrisy. One wonders why it upsets believers so badly unless it strikes a nerve.

sojourner said:

There is no law that says that. Hence, there is no transgression that can be termed "murder."

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Well, the definition I used, "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another," is the definition of "murder." So if the transgression amounts to the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another, then it's murder.

Sojourner, you say that God does not choose his behavior. Who does?

So..
How about shifting focus here..?
Take a look at the the first homicide documented in the bible.. 4:8?
Cain and Abel

Pay very close attention to the reaction of God..

Murder angered God Immensely. .

Genesis 4:8 to Gen 4:14

There were no laws about wrongful killing then. Wasn't murder I guess.

sojourner said:

Murder is killing, but it's a very specific and legally-defined sort of killing. Murder is wrong because murder is illegal.

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This is exactly why I don't use the word. There are plenty of killings that I think are very wrong. But they are legal, so I don't muddy the waters with vague words that change meanings over time or borders. Such as murder.
That was my original point.
Tom

Hard wired in every species is the will to survive for the individual and to protect its own kind. It is part of the very fabric of life. Without it, any species would soon become extinct. Murder tears that fabric.

prometheus11 said:

Well, certainly a Christian cannot say that murder if wrong. Their God commands it for many people for many reasons. As with slavery, the bible provides no metric for absolute determination of the act being "wrong"

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Can you please show me an instance where the Bible condones the unlawful killing of another human being?

Nope. If God commanded it, it was obviously lawful. Everything he commands is lawful because he's a tyrant. That's how tyrants rule.

Sonofason said:

Can you please show me an instance where the Bible condones the unlawful killing of another human being?

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prometheus11 said:

Nope. If God commanded it, it was obviously lawful. Everything he commands is lawful because he's a tyrant. That's how tyrants rule.

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Moreover, in many cases where god takes it upon himself to kill or have killed innocent parties in lands/cities/towns/whatever that no doubt had laws against murder, god violated those laws---unlawful and premeditated killings. Sodom and Gomorrah come to mind. I'm sure their laws didn't include the qualifier, "unless god is the killer."

Murder is defined as the illegal act of taking another person’s life. To put it another way, murder is the wrongful act of taking another person’s life. Murder is not the same as to kill someone. Although, all people who are murdered have been killed, it’s not the same as saying all people who have been killed have been murdered. The key word is “illegal” or “unlawful”. If someone is killed within the boundaries of the law, it is not murder. The greater question is, can the law justify the killing of another person?

Yes, it can, as much as the law has any power to do anything. People agreeing to it.