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Speaking in Tongues

standing_on_one_foot

Well-Known Member
No, not babble, but something close. Imitation of the sounds and ways of speaking commonly found in a language...at least, that's what I think it is. What I want to hear is someone speaking in tongues where that tongue is English (and they don't know English, obviously). That would be interesting.
 

The Voice of Reason

Doctor of Thinkology
I just put this up in response to another thread, but where I grew up in Kentucky, I could drive 30 minutes from my house and go to church where they speak in tongues, drink strychnine, and handle poisonous snakes - every Sunday.

The strychnine has been tested by independent labs, and has been found (repeatedly) to be pure strychnine - uncut.

Woof,
TVOR
 

Ronald

Well-Known Member
true blood said:
Speaking in tongues is perfect prayer, for the mature believers in Christ.
Here is the litmus test for MATURE BELIEVERS, charismatic physcobabble(hogwash)holier than thou!!!!!:162:

Speaking in tongues is a gift of the Spirit, is a fact and done bySOME today, but not all.
When one makes statements as the above, while having elements of truth in it, but a false conclussion, (I'll hold my tongue, and control my fingers.):jam:

It is not a measure of a man, his faith nor his holiness. Just A gift from God. It is to be used to the GLORY of GOD.:)
 

painted wolf

Grey Muzzle
I'm sure for those who believe it is a simple extention of their faith.
Whether or not it makes any sence to outsiders is entirely moot.
(as an outsider, its pretty odd to me ;) )

wa:do
 

true blood

Active Member
Ronald said:
Here is the litmus test for MATURE BELIEVERS, charismatic physcobabble(hogwash)holier than thou!!!!!:162:

Speaking in tongues is a gift of the Spirit, is a fact and done bySOME today, but not all.
When one makes statements as the above, while having elements of truth in it, but a false conclussion, (I'll hold my tongue, and control my fingers.):jam:

It is not a measure of a man, his faith nor his holiness. Just A gift from God. It is to be used to the GLORY of GOD.:)
Why could Paul tell some in the Corinthian church only about Jesus Christ and him crucified? Because the majority of believers were not spiritually mature enough to accept more truth. They could not be taught the mystery. That is a tremendous truth. Even today, most people do not spiritually go beyond Jesus Christ and his crucifixion. The focal point of almost every church is the altar and the cross.

I Corinthians 2:6: However we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought.

The key word above is "perfect", or "teleioi". It points out that there are "teleioi" among the true believers. Thus there are babes in christ and there are "mature", aka "perfect/teleioi" among the Body. It was to those few "teleioi", Paul could speak the wisdom of God regarding the musterion, "even the hidden, which God ordained before the world unto our glory".

The early Church realized the great reality of what they had from the new birth. That is why they did signs, miracles, and wonders. They all spoke in tongues. Paul, himself, said he wished we all spoke in tongues.
 

Ronald

Well-Known Member
true blood said:
Why could Paul tell some in the Corinthian church only about Jesus Christ and him crucified? Because the majority of believers were not spiritually mature enough to accept more truth. They could not be taught the mystery. That is a tremendous truth. Even today, most people do not spiritually go beyond Jesus Christ and his crucifixion. The focal point of almost every church is the altar and the cross.

I Corinthians 2:6: However we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought.

The key word above is "perfect", or "teleioi". It points out that there are "teleioi" among the true believers. Thus there are babes in christ and there are "mature", aka "perfect/teleioi" among the Body. It was to those few "teleioi", Paul could speak the wisdom of God regarding the musterion, "even the hidden, which God ordained before the world unto our glory".

The early Church realized the great reality of what they had from the new birth. That is why they did signs, miracles, and wonders. They all spoke in tongues. Paul, himself, said he wished we all spoke in tongues.
Wrong conclussion again!!!
The early Church realized the great reality of what they had from the new birth. That is why they did signs, miracles, and wonders. They all spoke in tongues. Paul, himself, said he wished we all spoke in tongues

No where in scripture do you find such a statement by anyone at anytime!

Kneed it, massage it, press it, stretch it, pull it, twist it, bend it, add to it, subtract from it and you still have phsyco-babble, a litmus test for those who are "Perfect in their own eyes" to the exclussion of all of those who don't do physco-babble.

Yes there are those who do speak in other tongues/languages that they did not study,
tongues, Paul wished ALL could speak.
1Cor.12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?

30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

31 But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.

 

huajiro

Well-Known Member
Lightkeeper said:
Is this a religious experience or psychological or just babble?
It would probably be taken a lot more seriously if people who do it didn't try to make it seem like more than it really is. For example, if you overheard someone doing it privately, it would seem interesting to you.

The only time I have ever heard it was more like an exaggerated display of someone having some experience with "God" that you seem to only be able to obtain by throwing something in the contribution tray that seems to be passed around afterwards.
 

true blood

Active Member
Ronald said:
Wrong conclussion again!!!
The early Church realized the great reality of what they had from the new birth. That is why they did signs, miracles, and wonders. They all spoke in tongues. Paul, himself, said he wished we all spoke in tongues

No where in scripture do you find such a statement by anyone at anytime!

Kneed it, massage it, press it, stretch it, pull it, twist it, bend it, add to it, subtract from it and you still have phsyco-babble, a litmus test for those who are "Perfect in their own eyes" to the exclussion of all of those who don't do physco-babble.

Yes there are those who do speak in other tongues/languages that they did not study,
tongues, Paul wished ALL could speak.
1Cor.12:29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?

30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?

31 But earnestly desire the higher gifts. And I will show you a still more excellent way.

Do you even know what 29-31 is teaching? "So God has placed some in the Church having the ministry of apostles, prophets and teachers. There are some who minister more effectively as miracle workers, some who are very effective in ministering the blessing of healing, some who are very adept in ministering as helps and governments, and some whose ministry is diversity[genes] of tongues." Also Paul explains in the next few verses that without "charity" none of this will profit you anything. And charity never fails. Charity beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. And when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

You quoted "But covet earnestly the best gifts" that depends on whats needed no? "And yet shew I unto you a more excellent way" that is the Love of God in renewed mind in manifestation.

Paul teaches to follow after charity and to desire the things of the spirit. And that he that speaketh in tongues DOES NOT SPEAK TO MEN BUT UNTO GOD, for no man understands him[the man speaking] howbeit in the spirit he speaketh divine secrets. And this act of speaking in tongues is available to every born again believer. It's purpose is edification of the spirit of God in man. Praying in tongues is ONLY for personal prayer life. Now we could go on about prophesy and interpretation which then does benefit the body of believers. But the points is that EVERY BORN AGAIN BELIEVER CAN SPEAK IN TONGUES FOR THEIR SELF FOR EDIFICATION. If anyone says they can't, because God did not give them the ability is a liar.

You must forget that God wants the Body of Christ to become a perfect man that all the member upon earth "may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ..."

I agree that God had[past tense] placed those more effective in manifestation of the "gift", and he placed other ministers for teaching, but every believer has the same "gift" and it was in those placed ministers responsiblity to teach the young believer about the manifestation of the gift. But alas the hearts of men are indeed easily corrupted and those ministers have not taugh rightly. Purposing in their hearts that they are "greater men" but this is not the heart of charity and those ministers will profit nothing.
 

Ronald

Well-Known Member
Very HUMBLE.
"Do you even know what 29-31 is teaching?"
(They all spoke in tongues.
No where in scripture do you find such a statement by anyone at anytime!
I know this!)
Thank you and Peace.
Ronald
 

Wes

New Member
The problem with Speaking in Tongues is that most groups try to make it a normative experience, that is they try to make it for all people at all times. That is not the case. In chapters 1-3 of Acts the reason that the disciples recieved "speaking in Tongues" is that they were directly told by Jesus to wait for a sign, they did, what better sign than this? That is an event that is avalible for all believers(if you believe in it, personally most of the time I believe it is fake and put on, nothing but pent up sexual energy). All of the events in Acts does not prove that this is an experience for everyone. Even later in chapter 17 (i think) when Paul prays over the followers of John and they get "filled" is a touch and go section of verses because of the context. If you don't believe me just read How to read the Bible for all its worth By Gordon Fee, he's a pentecostal but believe that you can't take up doctrine from narrative (which is the book of acts).

Back to the pent up sexual energy, the majority of groups that have this experience in thier worship setting have strong stances about sex, even for a man thinking of a woman would be considered wrong and adultery. The reason I say its pent up sexual energy is that if you have been in a setting where this is being practiced it is most often young men and women. The men are fighting with this idea of adultry because they can't handle the sexual impulses they are getting and are scared of God and others. The women are wipped into a frenzy because they see these 'young men of God' in repentant attitudes and the women start jumping around and singing and dancing and all sorts of things...that then leads to things flopping around if you know way I mean, that then causes men to notice...which causes them to repent and do this expericence more...and so on. Its a never ending circle.
 

jewscout

Religious Zionist
I don't know about speaking in tounges but i do know that when i went to my first Shabbot dinner and we sang Shalom Alaychem i somehow knew the tune already. But i don't ever remember hearing this song before in my life. Weird huh?:confused:
 

huajiro

Well-Known Member
What always threw me off as a boy in Church was that the speaking in tongues always sounded just like a record being played backwards, something that was always associated with the "Devil".

(By the way Wes, thanks for that information you gave, it was very interesting)
 

martha

Active Member
Well here goes, beloved. I feel that I should at least share a little, since I have had the experience. I don't have a definitive answer, only my feelings.
About eight years ago I was introduced to the Catholic Charismatic prayer group in my church. I didn't know what it was all about. I went to the prayer meeting and found a new way to worship God. As a Catholic sometimes we can be a bit subdued at Mass. This was totally different. I enjoyed the fellowship, the bible study and singing. It was so lovely to praise God in such a joyful manner. The thing that I felt most uncomfortable with was when someone in the group would start this "babble" as I called it.Even though I couldn't do it, I began to notice a different feeling in the room once it began. The voices would meld together and it was as if one voice was lifting to God, almost always being harmonic and ending together. Nobody told anyone when to stop, it just always ended on a together note. Unnerving but quite remarkable I thought. Perhaps it is the same with the Buddists chants, or the chanting of the Monks.
One night after prayer meeting I went home and sat in my big chair and spoke to God. I said " Lord, this praying in tounges thing seems a little silly to me. I can't do it, nor do I wish to, for I see no need for it. If you think it would be beneficial to me for some reason, then please allow it to come to me, but I don't really need it" It was as if I was telling Him, I don't want it, don't need it probably can't do it, but I'm not supposed to do it, it is to come from you for you, oh just forget it!
Well, I get the feeling He was listening. Suddenly I opened my mouth and sounds, almost oriental in nature ( as if I could try to define it ) began to eminate from me. I tell you truly I could not stop for over two hours. Nonstop my mouth and soul spoke words I did not understand, it was speaking and singing all at once. I laughed and cried but it still didn't stop. When it ended I can honestly say I was exhausted and so filled with joy and love for Him that I could have sprouted wings to fly.
I believe that God's essence is Love, I also believe that the vibration of this Love reverberates throughout the world. So perhaps this praising Him in tongues connects us with his vibration of Love, and brings us closer to that Love. I don't know beloved. Although I am not connected to that prayer group anymore still at times, when out walking seeing His majesty in nature, my soul breaks out into praising Him in tongues.
It feels wonderful to me and I don't see any harm in it. There is no need for me to pray in tongues in front of others, it is between me and my God.

Joyfully in Jesus,
Martha
 

martha

Active Member
I don't know what prayer group you went to beloved, but in mine there were no young men and women filled with pent up sexual energy. Here I am once again confronted with sexual inuendo. I just posted a question the other day re: Morality and the Media in reference to the Pillsbury doughboy succumbing to sexual inuendo in the commercials. Why does everything have to be related to sex? One makes the experience sound cheap and tawdry. It is not that at all. I wonder my dear if you have actually ever been in a prayer group setting. I am not trying to be sarcastic in this question. I really want to know what your personal experience with praising God in tongues is. Please indulge this curious soul.;)

Joyfully in Jesus,
Martha
 
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