Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Plenty of threads on the subject in the Deism section.
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Why no mention of a fiery Hell in the Old Testament?
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Plenty of threads on the subject in the Deism section.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
What if there are different ideas on what that means? Lol, nevermind.
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Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Yes, actually. Have you?
Care to explain how a 100 ton slab of granite is moved from a quarry and them hoisted into position 65 feet up from the floor, in a primitive age of hemp rope and wooden slats? I don't mean a speculative theory of how they did it...I am talking substantiated, verifiable, reconstructible proof. Because as it stands, there are PhDs that can't explain it, with far more expertise than you or I.
The universe, as far as we know, is BILLIONS of years old. It is perfectly logical to assume that there are alien civilizations that are far more advanced than we are. Did they visit ancient earth? Who knows...but you can't say NO, because we don't really know. Why would ancient earth civilizations build massive constructs, that incidentally are only visible from the sky, in an age when humans did not yet have flying machines? [Nazca Lines]
However, we are now way off topic...so back to the OP.
In the case of the Pyramids, wetting the sand in front of the slab would provide a stable(and with less friction) 'path' for the slab to move. They would be mined somewhere near a river, floated up/down that river, and moved to its location(which, as you might guess, would also be rather close to said river) using the same "wet the sand" method. You could then move the blocks rather quickly given their size. These are not terribly complicated feats of machinery. If one Indian man could literally build a highway on his own through a mountain, a labour-force of Ancient Egyptians with their tools and engineering could build the Great Pyramid. These are impressive feats, but not remotely impossible.
The answer to this is quite simple; most gods are depicted as living in the sky. In fact the 'Sky Father' as the head of a pantheon is the single most common deity archetype on the planet, so common in fact that it would be far, far easier to list the ones that aren't associated with the sky.
Why is that important? Because that is why they are only view-able from the air/a mountain/high-place. They are sacred because only the Gods could see them. It's a gift. Art for their Gods & ancestors.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
In other words...nothing but guesswork, just like the rest of us.
Besides, I read that article. It mentioned that the Egyptians used "contraptions" to help move the sled along, but never specified what those contraptions were. Nor does it describe how they were able to move those 100 ton slabs into place some 60 feet off the ground. In other words...pure pseudo-scientific speculation with no substance.
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There are two extremely simple methods to do that. The first involves ramps & scaffolding. The second involves building the pyramid inside-out. Remember, despite the massive size of the structure, there is relatively little space within them. Build the interior in a pyramid-ish shape and then refine the exterior.
As far as being "guesswork"? Technically yes, it is. We do not know exactly how it was done. However, Occam's Razor applies here. They could be built by humans with Ancient Egyptian levels of technology and engineering. Occam's Razor dictates that generally speaking the most simple explanation is the most likely. Here the most simple solution is "the Egyptians did it". Your solution involves an extra-terrestrial intelligence far in advance of our own(again, mastered intergalactic travel) coming down like some sort of Deus Ex Machina and playing with blocks for some unexplained reason, before deciding to bugger off for another unexplained reason.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
In other words, neither of us (nor anyone else) knows for certain how it was done. All we have are different theories.
Yes, I believe in life on other planets. When our galaxy has BILLIONS of stars in it, and those stars could each have numerous planets in their respective solar systems (like ours), and there are BILLIONS of galaxies in the known universe, and that universe is BILLIONS of years old...you see where this is going.
So do I. It's almost a certainty just given the numbers involved. My problem is that you're claiming they've been here and interacted with us on a massive scale.
No, Scripture is Not wrong. The guilty will Not be cleared - Exodus 34:7 - those committing the unforgivable sin are guilty ones - Matthew 12:32; Hebrews 6:4-6 - The ' ALL ' that are saved are ALL those faithful at the end of Jesus' 1,000 year reign over earth.
What does Matthew 20:28 says about the ransom of Jesus' covers ?_________
Doesn't it say ' MANY ' and does Not say 'ALL' ?______
That is because Not all are found faithful at this time, and the soon coming ' time of separation ' on earth - Matthew 25:31-32,37
What is the choice given to us at 2 Peter 3:9 ?
We repent if we want to live on, or we will ' perish ' ( be destroyed Not saved )
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If there was intelligent life ( at this time ) on other planets there would be No need to settle the ' sin issue ' here on earth because it would already be settled elsewhere by their faithfulness. So, at this point there is NO intelligent life elsewhere.
By the end of Jesus' 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth then the ' sin issue ' - Job 2:4-5 - will be settled, and even ' enemy death ' will No longer exist for intelligent life so then that will allow for intelligent life elsewhere. - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Isaiah 25:8
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Nonsense...especially since you have ZERO proof to substantiate your claim. Ancient man did not have telescopes (or microscopes) and knew nothing of the cosmos, as compared to modern day people. As a matter of fact, people used to think the earth was flat, the earth was the center of the universe, an eclipse was a dragon eating the moon, and that Satan actually existed as the devil...even though God is the all powerful creator and could simply snap His divine fingers and uncreate him.
By your logic, astronauts that leave the planet earth are no longer bound by sin or tempted by Satan, since they left this mud ball.
You can't take some texts written thousands of years ago, by otherwise primitive people who had little to no knowledge of the universe, biology, physics, or science in general, and then blanket coat every modern science with cherry picked verses.
Neo Deist
Th.D. & D.Div. h.c.
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
1Tim 4.10 The Divinity who is the saviour of ALL mankind... as it is written. You said scripture is NOT wrong.
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Does that matter?
outhouse
Atheistically
Maybe you fail to realize that the distance involved between stars, means even at light speed, getting from one place to another is next to impossible.
That is not even dealing with the reality of inter species communication. If they were advanced, it would be the same as us trying to talk to dolphins.
That is also not dealing with the fact of atmospheric pressure and poisonous gasses our air would kill them.
Then you still need to address why they would help us build primitive stone building exactly like humans had been doing since humans fathered in any large numbers. As soon as humans gathered in any number they built stone structures.
It is also ignoring Egyptian paintings showing men dragging large stones on ski sleds using water for lubricant and man power.
It is also ignoring, that they would have had to have been here for thousands of years EVERYWHERE on the planet as these large stones where moved everywhere for ten thousand years. And no one ever said star people did it.
outhouse
Atheistically
Your required to provide the evidence as your the own making extraordinary claims.
To date. There is not one piece of evidence anywhere at any time that supports any other life form ever being here.
Isn't it proof thus far that there is No intelligent found elsewhere ?
Intelligent life will NOT be found elsewhere before the millennium-long day comes of Christ governing over earth.
Why wouldn't astronauts be bound by sin or temptation by Satan ?
All the space travelers return to earth or just will die somewhere else.
No astronauts originated on another planet.
Death, sickness and sin does Not end on earth until the thousand-year governmental rulership of Christ over earth.
There will be No healing of earth's nations before that millennial time of Revelation 22:2
In that thousand-year day is when sickness will end - Isaiah 33:24; Job 33:25; Proverbs 4:18
At that future time our enemy death then ends here on earth - 1 Corinthians 15:26; Revelation 21:4-5
Yes, God could have uncreated Satan and Adam and Eve, but that would Not have settled the challenge as to who can rule best ?
God's purpose according to Genesis 1:28 is that we should all be descendants of father Adam and mother Eve.
They and us would have to be alive in order for that to happen.
Uncreating Satan would Not show the other angels who is the best or rightful Sovereign to govern over earth.
Satan challenges all of us - Job 2:4-5 - that to touch our ' flesh ' ( loose physical health ) and we would all turn away from God.
Yes, the Savor of all faithful mankind. The original was Not written in KJV English.
Ignoring that Jesus ' ransom covers MANY - Matthew 20:28, does Not change Scripture, but 1 Timothy 4:10 is in connection to all types of people can become part of the all if they endure to the end - Matthew 24:13
What does 'impossible' mean to you at Hebrews 6:4-6 ?
What does 'unforgivable' mean to you at Matthew 12:32 ?
What does 'perish' mean to you at 2 Peter 3:9 ?
I'm with the character of Jodie Fosters father on the movie Contact; and I am paraphrasing " If we are the only life out there, seems like an awful waste of space." And to my knowledge God never said we are the only planet He put life on. Has this just went from a discussion about Hell to a debate about extra terrestrial life?