So we disagree. LOL. That is funny!I of course was not being serious.... hence the smiley face.
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
The Veracity of the Bible Put in Question
- Thread starter Skwim
- Start date
I hate to admit that people were guided by Heaven's Hand when they wrote and that what we have now is by Satan because I might change my mind.....but.....that is what I tend to believe.
I am a hybrid. Thank you @Windwalker for the great laugh. I think I needed it.
I once saw on the TV two men balancing each other on the tip of each one's sword. If people can do that how hard can it be to write right words for goodness sake?
You maybe want me to explain a human hybrid?
There are those who are convinced God communicated words through people and not by people and forever protects each word like a mother should protect her children.
There are those who are convinced Bible scripture is the work of humans and only humans.
My hybrid is being a part of both of those.
I think people were aided by God to write the truth, but I think it is our job (God doesn't work - or so I have heard) to guard the truth.
OUR job and NOT God's job.
They put God to work which I shall say, is not wise.
There are those who are convinced God communicated words through people and not by people and forever protects each word like a mother should protect her children.
There are those who are convinced Bible scripture is the work of humans and only humans.
My hybrid is being a part of both of those.
I think people were aided by God to write the truth, but I think it is our job (God doesn't work - or so I have heard) to guard the truth.
OUR job and NOT God's job.
They put God to work which I shall say, is not wise.
Noa
Active Member
That is precisely who it is. It is a digital painting of said actor/character.
Dear savage,
Yeshua tends to disagree with you. Per Matthew 13, the same ground was sown with both the "good seed", the "word of the kingdom of heaven", and the seed of the tares, which was the seed sown by the "evil one". That the tares were left next to the wheat was commanded by Yeshua "lest while you are gathering up the tares you may root up the wheat with them." While it might not be optimal, the tares get to share the same space as the wheat. Tares may look like wheat, but in fact they are simply weeds, and their origin is the words/seed of the "evil one".
Please explain how he disagrees with that.
We are to be careful to reject lies and believe truths. THEY say there are no lies in the Bible and are you saying that Yeshua agrees with them? Are there no errors in the Bible because God protects the Bible like they say God protects the Bible? Where does Jesus say that God protects the Bible?
Protection is a JOB. Ya know?
Genesis 2:2
Also, writing is a JOB.
Genesis 2:2
Jesus did say that, "My Father until now is working", but Yeshua was the one working the works of God.
Did Yeshua give us the Bible? All of it?
John 17:14
Genesis 2:2
Also, writing is a JOB.
Genesis 2:2
Jesus did say that, "My Father until now is working", but Yeshua was the one working the works of God.
Did Yeshua give us the Bible? All of it?
John 17:14
Dear savage,
Yeshua said that the tare seeds, which are from the "evil one", and the "good seed" are mixed together. Yeshua forbade that the tares be torn out by the root to protect the roots of the good seed. The tare seed of the "evil one"/father of lies, are lies, but they and the good seed are still broadcast into the same field. The bible holds the good seed and the bad. As the "ruler of the world" is the "dragon", and his authority is given to the beast/kings (Rev 13), such as the kings of Rome, under which, the Roman emperors instituted the Roman church, and the canon was established. Under such a scenario, one takes what one can get. You have the good seed mixed with the words of the "evil one". As the tare seed came through the false prophet Paul and his associates, I would say that approximately 2/3 of the NT is tare seed. The tares, such as Paul and associates, were protected from the disciples by order of Yeshua (Mt 13:29). "No; lest while you are gathering up the tares, you may root up the wheat with them.". Yeshua doesn't protect the bible, only the tares until the "end of the age" (Mt 13:40), at which time the tares will be "gathered out", such as the tares version of raptured, but the destination of tares is not heaven, but according to Mt 13:40-42, the "furnace of fire".
I am sorry. The mind is the ground. I think you are saying the Bible is the ground where good and bad seeds were sown. I don't believe what you believe about Paul. Might you be wrong? If you are wrong about Paul it means that in your mind you are growing weeds.
Jesus is right about not pulling up the weeds in your mind. The reason is weeds sometimes show up wheat. If I had not been poisoned by the weeds of the religion that taught me the Bible I would not have gone looking for the wheat.
That you wish to leave the weeds in the Bible makes YOU a sower of weeds.
Dear savage,
The commandment of leaving the tares was given by Yeshua (Mt 13: 28-29) That was to last until the "end of the age", at which time the tares can be pulled. We are now at the "end of the age", and it is quite fine to pull Paul by the roots. The "good seed" is the "word of the kingdom". Paul teachings is antithetical to that word.
Muffled
Jesus in me
What does it say about the veracity of the Bible (the KJV in particular), that it is the work of many people trying their best to translate various sources of different languages into English, and at the same time trying to insure it passed muster with the Church?
"An American scholar says he has found the earliest known draft of the King James Bible hiding inside a dog-eared 400-year-old notebook that has been languishing for decades in a British archive<snip>
<snip>
The notebook dates from 1604 to 1608, and according to Miller, it contains the only draft of the King James Bible that was handwritten by one of the people who translated the holy text into English in the early 17th century.
<snip>
King James I commissioned the Bible’s translation at Hampton Court in 1604, not long after his ascension to the throne of England.
Known as the Authorized Version (AV) of the Bible in English, the King James Bible was the third Bible to be translated into English and officially approved by the Church, putting together a number of translations agreed on by teams, or companies, of scholars working in Westminster, Oxford and Cambridge.
It went on to become the internationally accepted and authorized version of the Bible in English.
<snip>
Miller came upon the alleged draft while working on an essay about Samuel Ward, one of the 47 translators of the King James Bible, at Sidney Sussex College in Cambridge.
According to the researcher, this earliest version of the text sheds light on Ward’s translation process.
‘You can actually see the way Greek, Latin and Hebrew are all feeding into what will become the most widely read work of English literature of all time,’ Miller told The Times."
source
As I see it, such an enterprise had to be fraught with inaccuracies and intractable disputes. Most of these were probably inconsequential niggling problems; some that could change the complexion of a passage; and others that may well have changed intended meanings. On top of this the translators had to insure the Church would like it, keeping it in line with the Church's theology.
OR, do you believe god stepped in and guided these efforts so as to insure the Bible was perfect? That toil as long and hard as they did, in the end all of those involved in the construction did the right thing---always?
I believe KJV is not the only translation but I find that it is reasonably good enough to present God's message. The Holy Spirit has me use The New American Standard Bible.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I don't believe you have any way of knowing that. God did step in to keep Saul (Apostle Paul) from jailing and killing Christians.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the most inacurate version I have read is the Good News Bible.
I must be through the looking glass. I suspect Paul was not transformed for the purpose of stopping the jailing of Christians but was transformed for the same reason everyone is transformed in Christ. Truth.
Dear savage,
Yeshua's testimony of Mt 13, shows that the "word of the kingdom" is the "good seed" (Mt 13:24), whereas the "evil one" sowed the tare seed, which grows up to look like wheat, but has no fruit, and is a weed. The seed of the tares, sowed by the "evil one", through the mouth of Paul, is mixed in with the good seed. Once the plants are sprouted, Yeshua forbid pulling the tares, lest the wheat be rooted up. The tares, such as Paul, and his disciples are given a free pass. That is why you now have the tares being the "many", and the wheat being the few. (Mt 7) At the "end of the age", the angels have are directed to pull out the tares first, and then harvest the wheat. Now is when the tares need to worry, not so in the 1st century.
Dear savage,
Paul was not transformed. He remain the same small, bald headed, fat guy he always was. He was a killer of saints before his story, and he remain the father of tares after his supposed transformation. Stephen died quickly, the tares not so quickly. He cursed angels from heaven, belittled the apostles, and gave his disciples over to Satan, without a hearing, and annulled God's covenant "which I had made with all the peoples" (Zech 11:10). The guy is a real winner.
Love does not keep account of injury.
1 John 2:11
1 John 3:15
1 John 4:20
The Jehovah's Witnesses teach that weeds are people. You say, "The tares, such as Paul" means to me that you also believe weeds are people.
Wheat is life sustaining food. Weeds do not sustain life. People do not sustain life. God does.
Dear savage,
Yeshua is not God, that is a determination of the Roman church at the Council of Nicaea, and is a mark of the beast with respect of "he will intend to make alterations in time and in law" (Dan 2:24-25)
The wheat is the product of the "word of the kingdom" the "good seed". The seeds of the wheat plant are it's fruit. The testimony of Yeshua is the "good seed", and the testimony coming from the "evil one" produces tares. Per Mt 7:13, there will "many" tares which follow the path to "destruction". You will know them/false prophets, by their fruit. Look around at the fruit of the followers of Paul. What an child will see, who hasn't been indoctrinated, is double minded hypocrisy.