The Blessed Birth of Imam Mahdi (peace be upon him)

Prophet say "The life span of my Ummah will not extend much past 1500 years." (Sahih Hadith)

other hadith say the imam mahdi will became mahdi whe he became 40 years old, like prophet Muhammad became prophet at age 40 years old.

1500 Hijri same with 2078 CE.....

with all chaos and war in middle east today, the coming of al-mahdi and prophet jesus is near (maybe)

Insha Allah before years 1500 Hijri, muslim ummah will see the return of prophet jesus & al-mahdi..........(maybe, just prediction)

Only God know the true time date/year they coming......

But I believe they will emerge soon and true peace will coming to Muslim World

no more sunni or shia just one true islam

If God Willing.......

Will you please provide reason why the above mentioned hadith is sahih?

faroukfarouk said:

As-salamu alaikum brother mojtaba
Jazakallah for giving me time as i was away on relief mission.
Note i am not here to debate you on your beliefs but my intent is to expose your true beliefs.There are many non-muslims that lack understanding on the differences between Sunni and Shia beliefs.This thread will expose what the true differences between our beliefs are.
Now to get back to your post 18.
You mention that the belief of Shia is also in our sunni books.
It seems that whenever the Shia's defend their beliefs they seem to use Sunni books and in so doing they send a wrong message to readers who lack understanding of our beliefs.
We the Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama`a want to make it very clear that our books do mention regarding the 12 Caliphs.Yes the Prophet (SAW) said: "The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), and having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraish."
Now if we have to start looking at who is fulfilling those 12 Caliphs then we will be going to extremes in our beliefs and as such we will be divided into various sects.Nowhere in our books does it give names of those who will be fulfilling the positions of the 12 Caliphs.Now if you going to start choosing then you going to end up in a conflict.Further our hadiths mention Caliphs.Who are Caliphs?They are rulers who we regard as head of a Country.
Now lets look at your Shia belief.
You believe in 12 Imams.There is a huge difference between an Imam and a Caliph.Hence it is very clear that by using our Sunni books to defend your belief you are actually making a mockery of your belief.Now lets look at your Mahdi.The Shia Mahdi is regarded as the 12th Imam and nowhere in Sunni books does it mention that the Mahdi will be the 12 Caliph.
You see brother Mojtaba we are talking about 2 different people.Your Mahdi is already born and hiding in some cave.The Sunni Mahdi is going to be born and he will appear after his birth.He is definitely not coming from a cave.Yes study our books and you will learn that Masih Ad-Dajjal was born a long time ago and he is the cave man that the Jews are awaiting.
Brother Mojtaba your 12th Imam is a person that is revered and respected in your religion but his existence is not only questionable but very apocryphal.Note brother you need to prove his existence or else it puts your entire belief in him in doubt.
Sorry to say this but its a known fact that your 11th Imam Hassan al-Askari, did not have a son and this fact alone has divided the Shia's into more than a hundered sects.Hassan al-Askari’s estate was divided between his brother Jafar and his mother.Jafar remained unshakeable in his assertion that his brother (Hasan al-Askari) had no progeny.

Salaams brother and may Allah guide those that have strayed the true path.
faroukfarouk

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Salam brother.

1.You mention : " There is a huge difference between an Imam and a Caliph".

Contrary to what you mentioned , Caliphas in the Hadiths of Prophet are just Imams. But why? See and compare these two sahih Hadiths which are in your books:

1.Sahih Muslim, Vol. 6, p. 3:.
Jabir narrates: My father and I went to the Prophet (a.s). We heard him saying: “This issue (Caliphate) will not be completed until twelve Caliphs come.” Then he added something I did not get. I asked my father what the Prophet had said. He said: “All Caliphs are from Quraysh.”

2.Musnad Ahmad, vol. 3, p. 129:

Prophet (a.s): “Imams are from Quraysh.”


2. You mention: " The Sunni Mahdi is going to be born and he will appear after his birth ".
and: "Sorry to say this but its a known fact that your 11th Imam Hassan al-Askari, did not have a son"
and: " Brother Mojtaba your 12th Imam is a person that is revered and respected in your religion but his existence is not only questionable but
very apocryphal.Note brother you need to prove his existence or else it puts your entire belief in him in doubt ".

This is a saying of a scholar of Ahl al-Sunnah wal-Jama'ah:
al-Yawaqit by AbdolWahhab ibn al-Shi'rani al-Hanafi, pg 562:

Mahdi(a.s.) is from the sons of Hassan al-Askari and His birth day is Sha'ban 15, 255 A.H. and He will be alive until joins to Isah (Jesus), son of Maryam( peas be upon them ).


I should say that, contrary to what you mention, we do not believe that Imam Mahdi( peas be upon him ) is in cave and he is a cave man !!!
We have many Hadiths that say Shia Muslims see Imam Mahdi, but they do not recognize Him ( like brothers of Prophet Yusuf(Joseph), holy Quran: Yusuf, 58 [After some years] the brothers of Joseph came and entered his presence. He recognized them, but they did not recognize him.) and also Imam Mahdi is in Hajj Manasik every year.

Salaams brother Mojtaba
On point 1.
Keep in mind the ff.
A Caliph is a ruler.
A Caliph is also an Imam.
A Caliph has the power to appoint several Imams.
So far as an Imam is concerned.
You can call yourself an Imam.Anyone can call himself an Imam.
An Imam has very limited powers.Some Imams have no power but they just play big shots.
Hope you getting my point so far as differences are concerned.
On point 2.
Abdol Wahhab ibn al-Shi'rani al-Hanafi was mearly quoting in his book from another scholar called ibn Arabi.
Brother may i suggest you read his book before quoting such sources.
Another question for you brother on point 2.
What do call a person who makes a statement that he met Imam Mahdi in person?

Salaams brother
faroukfarouk

faroukfarouk said:

Salaams brother Mojtaba
On point 1.
Keep in mind the ff.
A Caliph is a ruler.
A Caliph is also an Imam.
A Caliph has the power to appoint several Imams.
So far as an Imam is concerned.
You can call yourself an Imam.Anyone can call himself an Imam.
An Imam has very limited powers.Some Imams have no power but they just play big shots.
Hope you getting my point so far as differences are concerned.

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Salamon Aleykum wa Rahmatollah my dear brother.

No. JazakAllahu Khayra. I can not call myself an Imam. Only a Ma'sum(infallible) could be an Imam and only Allah choose a person for Imamat.

Holy Qur'an, 2:124

When his(i.e. Abraham ) Lord tested Abraham with certain words and he fulfilled them, He(Allah) said, ‘ I am making you the Imam of mankind.’ Said he, ‘And from among my descendants?’ He(Allah) said, ‘My pledge(Imamat) does not extend to the unjust( fallible )[, so it extends to the infallible individuals of them ].’

Imam is chosen only by Allah and also is supported by Him:

Holy Qur'an, 21:73
We(Allah) made them Imams, guiding by Our command, and We revealed to them [concerning] the performance of good deeds, the maintenance of prayers, and the giving of zakat, and they used to worship Us.

faroukfarouk said:

On point 2.
Abdol Wahhab ibn al-Shi'rani al-Hanafi was mearly quoting in his book from another scholar called ibn Arabi.
Brother may i suggest you read his book before quoting such sources.

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My Brother, you are wrong. He, hisself says Imam Mahdi is alive and before quoting from Ibn Arabi, quotes this from a Sheykh and his master:

Mahdi(a.s.) is from the sons of Hassan al-Askari(a.s.) and His birthdate is Sha'ban 15, 255 A.H. and He will be alive until joins to Isah (Jesus), son of Maryam( peas be upon them ). Sheykh Hasan al-Iraqi said me[= the sunni author of the book] this, and our Sheykh, my master, agreed with him, blessing of Allah be upon both of them. And the statement of Ibn Arabi in his book, Fotuhat al-Makkiyah, is: ....

You can see this in pg 562.

faroukfarouk said:

Another question for you brother on point 2.
What do call a person who makes a statement that he met Imam Mahdi in person?

Salaams brother
faroukfarouk

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They could be categorized in two groups:
1. Who said this in public.
2. Who said this to particular pious individuals and also said them do not say that in public before his death.

People of group one almost are liar.
People of group two almost are truthful and pious.

Hello brothers @faroukfarouk and @mojtaba
I have been following this thread and I recognized that you two are having a great discussion, so I closely read it all and now, since I am Shia too, I want to answer some of your questions faroukfarouk
first you asked that " do the shias have any evidence that he is still alive today?" and then " is there any proof of his existence?" which I'm gonna answer the second one first
1. Is there any proof of his existence?
A: there are many Shia and sunni scholars who all, in one way or another, accept that imam Mahdi is born the same way mojtaba said and he will eventually fill the world with justice. Including:
Shia scholars:
Allameh majlesi( Behar_al_Anwar, vol 13), sheikh mofid( al_ ershad_fi_hojaj_el_ebad, pg 346), sheikh sadogh( Kamal_al_din_va_tamam_al_nemah, vol 2, chapter 42)
Sunni scholars:
Ibn_khalkan( vaghyat_al_aayan, vol 3, pg 316) Ibn masoud( marvaj_al_zahab, vol 4, pg 199) Mohammad Ibn talhe shafeii( al_mataleb_al_masoul_fi_manaqeb_al_rasoul, pg 88)

2. Do the shias have any evidence that he is still alive today?
A: well we proved that he is born and he will fill the world with justice, so now that he hasn't done it yet, he has to be alive till finishing this task

Then you asked many questions about Quran being mutilated or not and here are the answers.
3. which is more superior, noble Quran or imams?
A: Quran is misunderstood without imams' interpretations, so I think they are both very much important, like prophet says in hadith of Thaqaleyn

4. Do the shias believe that Quran isn't mutilated? ( you mentioned sheikh mofid here)
A: no it is not. And though I know it is very off-topic, but I want to say some reasons
1) ayya 15:9 says that " indeed we sent the Zekr( Quran) and we will protect it"
And you cannot say this ayya is added to Quran, because the ayya of tahaddi( that everyone believes is certainly original) completely makes this impossible. And your problem is about something being deleted from it not added
2) hadith of Thaqaleyn says if you stay with Quran, your will not be misguided. So how can Quran be guiding if mutilated?
3) Allah sent Quran as the last book ever and if it was changed, there wouldn't be another book to say the right things again, so it was necessary for him to protect Quran.
4) there were people who wrote Quran down and memorized it the moment it was sent, so how could some ayya be sent and no one hears of it?
5) all in all, I don't get that why you don't trust Quran the way you should, because it is less than what it should be? Well god could say 1001 words and he said just 1000. He could send trice this book and he sent this much. Why should it make the remaining ayyas untrustworthy?
+ about sheikh mofid: he said his opinion a little vague. Many many Shia scholars certainly say that Quran isn't mutilated in any way. You could search for yourself.

5. what is mushaf of Fatimah?
A: after prophet's death, because Fatimah alayha Salam was very sad and missing her father, Gabriel was sent and told her about what happens after this until the end of earth's life and how is prophet doing now, and later imam Ali wrote it all down and it made a book trice the size of Quran, and it has every event until the end of all, and the most detailed of Ahkam and nothing like Quran is in it, like our imams said. And then it was given to every imam and now, Imam Mahdi has it with him.

Then you said something that meant it is kinda stupid to use sunni sources for proving Shia beliefs. Well because brother mojtaba was discussing with you, he used sunni sources to prove it for you. That's why.

+ I really didn't want to argue with you about this, we are all brothers and sisters and in this mess of every kind of religion, we are nearest and we should stay allies. So just know it that I wanted to defend my beliefs like you will yours, and that's all.

May Allah guide us towards himself.

Sara.r said:

5. what is mushaf of Fatimah?
A: after prophet's death, because Fatimah alayha Salam was very sad and missing her father, Gabriel was sent and told her about what happens after this until the end of earth's life and how is prophet doing now, and later imam Ali wrote it all down and it made a book trice the size of Quran, and it has every event until the end of all, and the most detailed of Ahkam and nothing like Quran is in it, like our imams said. And then it was given to every imam and now, Imam Mahdi has it with him.

Then you said something that meant it is kinda stupid to use sunni sources for proving Shia beliefs. Well because brother mojtaba was discussing with you, he used sunni sources to prove it for you. That's why.

+ I really didn't want to argue with you about this, we are all brothers and sisters and in this mess of every kind of religion, we are nearest and we should stay allies. So just know it that I wanted to defend my beliefs like you will yours, and that's all.

May Allah guide us towards himself.

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Thank you Ms. Sara.r
I also add the following statement about Mus-haf of Fatimah(a.s.):

It is understood from some ahadith that Sunnis were aware of this Mus-haf and assumed that, according to the teachings of the Ahlul-Bayt, Shias believe the Qur'an has been distorted and the missing verses are mentioned in this Mus-haf. Therefore the Imams have sharply negated the existence of any Qur'anic verses in this Mus-haf.[1] The Late Allameh Askari says: "Some Sunni writers accuse those who defend the Shia school of thought and say that they (Shias) have a different Qur'an named the Mus-haf of Fatimah; because the book of Fatimah is called a Mus-haf, and during the emerge of Islam some Muslims would also call the Qur'an the Mus-haf."[2] In a hadith by Imam Sadiq[ sixth Imam ] he insists: "By Allah, the Mus-haf of Fatimah is with us and not one verse of the Qur'an is mentioned in it."[3]

[1] Mughniyah, Muhammad Jawad, Al-Shia fi al-Mizan, pg. 61.
[2] Ma’alem al-Madrasatayn, vol. 2, pg. 32.
[3] Kafi, vol. 1, pg. 238.

Happy birthday to you, O my dear Imam who will fill the world with peace and justice, just as it is filled with cruelty and tyranny.

Allahumma 'Ajjil liWaliyik al-Faraj waj'alna min Khayri 'A'wanihi wa 'Ansarihi walMustashhadina bayna Yadayh.

faroukfarouk said:

As-salamu alaikum brother mojtaba
Jazakallah for giving me time as i was away on relief mission.
Note i am not here to debate you on your beliefs but my intent is to expose your true beliefs.There are many non-muslims that lack understanding on the differences between Sunni and Shia beliefs.This thread will expose what the true differences between our beliefs are.
Now to get back to your post 18.
You mention that the belief of Shia is also in our sunni books.
It seems that whenever the Shia's defend their beliefs they seem to use Sunni books and in so doing they send a wrong message to readers who lack understanding of our beliefs.
We the Ahl al-Sunna wa al-Jama`a want to make it very clear that our books do mention regarding the 12 Caliphs.Yes the Prophet (SAW) said: "The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), and having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraish."
Now if we have to start looking at who is fulfilling those 12 Caliphs then we will be going to extremes in our beliefs and as such we will be divided into various sects.Nowhere in our books does it give names of those who will be fulfilling the positions of the 12 Caliphs.Now if you going to start choosing then you going to end up in a conflict.Further our hadiths mention Caliphs.Who are Caliphs?They are rulers who we regard as head of a Country.
Now lets look at your Shia belief.
You believe in 12 Imams.There is a huge difference between an Imam and a Caliph.Hence it is very clear that by using our Sunni books to defend your belief you are actually making a mockery of your belief.Now lets look at your Mahdi.The Shia Mahdi is regarded as the 12th Imam and nowhere in Sunni books does it mention that the Mahdi will be the 12 Caliph.
You see brother Mojtaba we are talking about 2 different people.Your Mahdi is already born and hiding in some cave.The Sunni Mahdi is going to be born and he will appear after his birth.He is definitely not coming from a cave.Yes study our books and you will learn that Masih Ad-Dajjal was born a long time ago and he is the cave man that the Jews are awaiting.
Brother Mojtaba your 12th Imam is a person that is revered and respected in your religion but his existence is not only questionable but very apocryphal.Note brother you need to prove his existence or else it puts your entire belief in him in doubt.
Sorry to say this but its a known fact that your 11th Imam Hassan al-Askari, did not have a son and this fact alone has divided the Shia's into more than a hundered sects.Hassan al-Askari’s estate was divided between his brother Jafar and his mother.Jafar remained unshakeable in his assertion that his brother (Hasan al-Askari) had no progeny.

Salaams brother and may Allah guide those that have strayed the true path.
faroukfarouk

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Salam to all brothers and sisters
@faroukfarouk:

Brother, I had some debates with Sunni brothers and a long discussion with a Maleki brother from France on "12 Caliphs". Here is their attitude:
- When it comes to use Shia sources, they deny facts and truth saying, "Shia sources are not reliable".
- When it comes to use Sunni sources, they are confused who exactly the 12 successors are and start questioning the proposed Imams by Shias. Just like you did on Imam Hasan al-Askari(a.s.).

Bukhari, Muslim, Abu Davoud, Hakim Neishabouri and... were all Iranians, how come?!!! Sunni Iranian Hadith writers are good and Shia Iranian Hadith writers are bad?!!! How dear they ignore Shia sources?!

Brother, would you please tell me who do you think those 12 successors are? Name them one by one, please.

May Allah guide us all

salam.
jazakom allah
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