But I think that I must consider the popular opinion that men wrote what God wanted them to write. I think that is possible so I must consider that it might be true.
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Is It Possible For The Bible And Jesus To Disagree?
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leibowde84
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What if the Holy Spirit isn't clear about it, though. I am a believer, and I try to live by what God wants but, frankly, I have to go on logic, reason, empathy, and love to do that. I don't trust a lot of what is in the Bible, and I don't think that a lot of what we think about Jesus is accurate. I wish that the Holy Spirit was more clear, but I kind of have to just go by what I THINK God wants. So, what would you recommend?
leibowde84
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It isn't "popular opinion" by a long shot, unless you are only counting Christian adherents.
Hold on to the grace of God and do not let go! I think it is wonderful that The Holy Spirit is not clear. If it was we would be robots. That it is not clear about what we ought to do gives us latitude. I like it!
Also, latitude causes learning. We could obey but where would the learning be?
Yes, Christians are who I imagine I am talking to.
leibowde84
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I agree. Well-put.
leibowde84
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But, itsn't it important to note that most people throughout the world do not consider the Bible to be written with the help of God?
But if it was RIGHT it might be considered God's doing by more people. Yes?
leibowde84
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I don't think it would make a difference. I think the success of Christianity was due to it "happening" at the right place/right time.
And Jews.
leibowde84
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Jews don't believe that the New Testament had anything to do with God though, right?
Of course it would make a difference. I trust people to choose right and to prefer direction that makes sense. But it is not right and it doesn't make sense. It is amazing that so many people agree with it.
The people who wrote mistakes in it, on purpose or by accident, are like Korah, Dathan and Abiram. Numbers 16:1-40
Yes. Daniel 2:44 shows God is an offensive force. God isn't an offensive force.
leibowde84
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It seems like you are contradicting yourself here. People should prefer truth, and it's weird that they don't.
leibowde84
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I'm sorry, but this doesn't make sense. Can you rephrase.
I don't think people "should" prefer the truth. I think that they do. But many people are OK that the whole Bible is not true. I have pointed out a few things in it that are false. Love IS provoked. Does anyone know what provoke means? Look at this: stimulate or incite (someone) to do or feel something, especially by arousing anger in them. I think God does not do that. But THEY say that when someone does that to God God does nothing. That is not true.
The city of Sodom provoked God. Did it not?
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Daniel 2:44 says that the Kingdom that GOD sets up will be for destroying all other kingdoms. That is OFFENSIVE.
Simply put; love is not provocative
provocative: tending or serving to provoke; inciting, stimulating, irritating, or vexing.
provocation: action or speech that makes someone annoyed or angry, especially deliberately.
medicine: testing to elicit a particular response or reflex.
Love is not provoked means provocation does NOTHING to love. Does that make sense? To me, it is the same as saying, "love is dead". "Love does not react." "Love ignores all annoyances". That would mean God (Love) ignores us all. I know that God does not ignore us.
provocative: tending or serving to provoke; inciting, stimulating, irritating, or vexing.
provocation: action or speech that makes someone annoyed or angry, especially deliberately.
medicine: testing to elicit a particular response or reflex.
Love is not provoked means provocation does NOTHING to love. Does that make sense? To me, it is the same as saying, "love is dead". "Love does not react." "Love ignores all annoyances". That would mean God (Love) ignores us all. I know that God does not ignore us.
leibowde84
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Fair enough
Robert.Evans
You will be assimilated; it is His Will.
Okay, I should read the NT more I think. I had forgotten that. But I don't see what you understand in that, nor that God was provoked. What is your 'roundabout' point? Come on, help those less fortunate, like me
