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Do you agree that America is the Great Whore of Babylon which will be destroyed when Jesus returns?

Alpha and Omega

New Member
As God is infinitely more powerful than America and Russia's entire nuclear arsenal. Because neither Russia nor the U.S. could preemptively attack each other with impunity, and without serious COLLATERAL DAMAGE.

However, JESUS CHRIST will be Lord of the Final Judgement in Matthew 25:31-46 & Revelation 20:11-15. This implies that JESUS will have God's power and authority to DISAVOW anyone, and to DISAVOW as many people as he wants, according to Matthew 7:27, 25:12, 25:41 & Luke 13:27.

Thus theoretically, JESUS will have authority to DISAVOW the current U.S. population of 330 million people; which means that those who do not have JESUS' approval will be consigned to ETERNAL DESTRUCTION in the lake of fire.

Also, JESUS can do this unilaterally, with impunity, and without COLLATERAL DAMAGE, so that most of America's current population will be DESTROYED at the last judgement.

Exempted classes will be foreign-born citizens and those who specifically come to JESUS to ask for clemency.


Therefore, more than 95% of the current U.S. population will be destroyed in the final judgement in Matthew 13:40-42 & Revelation 20:15, 21:8; but only a remnant will be spared from the coming holocaust.

John 10:30, 14:7 & Colossians 1:15 implies that JESUS will be GOD'S ambassador and spokesman on the earth. This means that JESUS will SPEAK with GOD'S AUTHORITY.

So regarding the above announcement you had better BELIEVE what he said.

So what are you going to do about it?

Discuss


NOTE: Genesis 6:7, 8, 13 & Revelation 20:15, 21:8 are general examples of God's judgement and destruction over people whom He considered wicked.
 
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URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
As God is infinitely more powerful than America and Russia's entire nuclear arsenal. Because neither Russia nor the U.S. could preemptively attack each other with impunity, and without serious COLLATERAL DAMAGE.
However, JESUS CHRIST will be Lord of the Final Judgement in Matthew 25:31-46 & Revelation 20:11-15. This implies that JESUS will have God's power and authority to DISAVOW anyone, and to DISAVOW as many people as he wants, according to Matthew 7:27, 25:12, 25:41 & Luke 13:27.
Thus theoretically, JESUS will have authority to DISAVOW the current U.S. population of 330 million people; which means that those who do not have JESUS' approval will be consigned to ETERNAL DESTRUCTION in the lake of fire.
Also, JESUS can do this unilaterally, with impunity, and without COLLATERAL DAMAGE, so that most of America's current population will be DESTROYED at the last judgement.
Exempted classes will be foreign-born citizens and those who specifically come to JESUS to ask for clemency.
Therefore, more than 95% of the current U.S. population will be destroyed in the final judgement in Matthew 13:40-42 & Revelation 20:15, 21:8; but only a remnant will be spared from the coming holocaust.
John 10:30, 14:7 & Colossians 1:15 implies that JESUS will be GOD'S ambassador and spokesman on the earth. This means that JESUS will SPEAK with GOD'S AUTHORITY.
So regarding the above announcement you had better BELIEVE what he said.
So what are you going to do about it?
NOTE: Genesis 6:7, 8, 13 & Revelation 20:15, 21:8 are general examples of God's judgement and destruction over people whom He considered wicked.

Try the process of elimination:

* First of all, the political nations ( America is one ) are represented by the ' kings of the earth ' who view Babylon's destruction.
- Revelation 18:9-10
* Then, earth's merchants ( business men of the world's commercial empire ) also view Babylon's destruction.
- Revelation 18:11-15
So, Babylon the Great can't be political, nor be commercial, but she is: religious.
* Babylon the Great is the ' religious prostitute ' of Revelation 17:2; Revelation 17:18 who commits fornication with earth's rulers.
She commits ' spiritual fornication ' with being in bed, so to speak, with earth's rulers; earth's kings.
She thinks she sits as some sort of ' religious queen ' - Revelation 18:7-9 - who will never see sorrow or mourning.

As the ancient people migrated from ancient Babylon they took with them their Babylonian religious-myth ideas and practices and spread them world wide into a greater religious Babylon or Babylon the Great. That is why we see similar overlapping religious practices and idea throughout the world's religious groups.

Babylon the Great will remain a potent force attempting to bend kings ( earth's rulers ) and meddle in their affairs until the political will soon surprisingly turn on ' her ' <- the world's false religious groups who have run afoul playing false to God and His Word .
- 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3
 

URAVIP2ME

Veteran Member
Can be attributed to confirmation bias. Many different places can also confirm your idea.

I don't know if this might be of any interest to you:
According to 1 Peter 4:17 judgment ( or house cleaning ) will start with the ' House of God ' Jesus, so to speak, as a ' new broom ' sweeps clean' .
What we will see is the political turning on the world's religious groups.
Since judgment starts with the religious House of God, then Christendom ( so-called Christian but ' in name only ' ) will be the first to go.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Wanderer From Afar
Premium Member
I do think that America is a great center of evil in the world today and that God, in the OT, destroyed places for lesser crimes than America has committed.

This passage could easily be speaking about America:

"16 Again the word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, make known to Jerusalem her abominations, 3 and say, Thus says the Lord God to Jerusalem: Your origin and your birth are of the land of the Canaanites; your father was an Amorite, and your mother a Hittite. 4 And as for your birth, on the day you were born your navel string was not cut, nor were you washed with water to cleanse you, nor rubbed with salt, nor swathed with bands. 5 No eye pitied you, to do any of these things to you out of compassion for you; but you were cast out on the open field, for you were abhorred, on the day that you were born.

6 “And when I passed by you, and saw you weltering in your blood, I said to you in your blood, ‘Live, 7 and grow up[a] like a plant of the field.’ And you grew up and became tall and arrived at full maidenhood; your breasts were formed, and your hair had grown; yet you were naked and bare.

8 “When I passed by you again and looked upon you, behold, you were at the age for love; and I spread my skirt over you, and covered your nakedness: yea, I plighted my troth to you and entered into a covenant with you, says the Lord God, and you became mine. 9 Then I bathed you with water and washed off your blood from you, and anointed you with oil. 10 I clothed you also with embroidered cloth and shod you with leather, I swathed you in fine linen and covered you with silk. 11 And I decked you with ornaments, and put bracelets on your arms, and a chain on your neck. 12 And I put a ring on your nose, and earrings in your ears, and a beautiful crown upon your head. 13 Thus you were decked with gold and silver; and your raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and embroidered cloth; you ate fine flour and honey and oil. You grew exceedingly beautiful, and came to regal estate. 14 And your renown went forth among the nations because of your beauty, for it was perfect through the splendor which I had bestowed upon you, says the Lord God.

15 “But you trusted in your beauty, and played the harlot because of your renown, and lavished your harlotries on any passer-by. 16 You took some of your garments, and made for yourself gaily decked shrines, and on them played the harlot; the like has never been, nor ever shall be. 17 You also took your fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself images of men, and with them played the harlot; 18 and you took your embroidered garments to cover them, and set my oil and my incense before them. 19 Also my bread which I gave you—I fed you with fine flour and oil and honey—you set before them for a pleasing odor, says the Lord God.[c] 20 And you took your sons and your daughters, whom you had borne to me, and these you sacrificed to them to be devoured. Were your harlotries so small a matter 21 that you slaughtered my children and delivered them up as an offering by fire to them? 22 And in all your abominations and your harlotries you did not remember the days of your youth, when you were naked and bare, weltering in your blood.


23 “And after all your wickedness (woe, woe to you! says the Lord God), 24 you built yourself a vaulted chamber, and made yourself a lofty place in every square; 25 at the head of every street you built your lofty place and prostituted your beauty, offering yourself to any passer-by, and multiplying your harlotry. 26 You also played the harlot with the Egyptians, your lustful neighbors, multiplying your harlotry, to provoke me to anger. 27 Behold, therefore, I stretched out my hand against you, and diminished your allotted portion, and delivered you to the greed of your enemies, the daughters of the Philistines, who were ashamed of your lewd behavior. 28 You played the harlot also with the Assyrians, because you were insatiable; yea, you played the harlot with them, and still you were not satisfied. 29 You multiplied your harlotry also with the trading land of Chalde′a; and even with this you were not satisfied.

30 “How lovesick is your heart, says the Lord God, seeing you did all these things, the deeds of a brazen harlot; 31 building your vaulted chamber at the head of every street, and making your lofty place in every square. Yet you were not like a harlot, because you scorned hire. 32 Adulterous wife, who receives strangers instead of her husband! 33 Men give gifts to all harlots; but you gave your gifts to all your lovers, bribing them to come to you from every side for your harlotries. 34 So you were different from other women in your harlotries: none solicited you to play the harlot; and you gave hire, while no hire was given to you; therefore you were different.

35 “Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord: 36 Thus says the Lord God, Because your shame was laid bare and your nakedness uncovered in your harlotries with your lovers, and because of all your idols, and because of the blood of your children that you gave to them, 37 therefore, behold, I will gather all your lovers, with whom you took pleasure, all those you loved and all those you loathed; I will gather them against you from every side, and will uncover your nakedness to them, that they may see all your nakedness.
38 And I will judge you as women who break wedlock and shed blood are judged, and bring upon you the blood of wrath and jealousy. 39 And I will give you into the hand of your lovers, and they shall throw down your vaulted chamber and break down your lofty places; they shall strip you of your clothes and take your fair jewels, and leave you naked and bare. 40 They shall bring up a host against you, and they shall stone you and cut you to pieces with their swords. 41 And they shall burn your houses and execute judgments upon you in the sight of many women; I will make you stop playing the harlot, and you shall also give hire no more. 42 So will I satisfy my fury on you, and my jealousy shall depart from you; I will be calm, and will no more be angry. 43 Because you have not remembered the days of your youth, but have enraged me with all these things; therefore, behold, I will requite your deeds upon your head, says the Lord God.

“Have you not committed lewdness in addition to all your abominations? 44 Behold, every one who uses proverbs will use this proverb about you, ‘Like mother, like daughter.’ 45 You are the daughter of your mother, who loathed her husband and her children; and you are the sister of your sisters, who loathed their husbands and their children. Your mother was a Hittite and your father an Amorite. 46 And your elder sister is Samar′ia, who lived with her daughters to the north of you; and your younger sister, who lived to the south of you, is Sodom with her daughters. 47 Yet you were not content to walk in their ways, or do according to their abominations; within a very little time you were more corrupt than they in all your ways. 48 As I live, says the Lord God, your sister Sodom and her daughters have not done as you and your daughters have done. 49 Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had pride, surfeit of food, and prosperous ease, but did not aid the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty, and did abominable things before me; therefore I removed them, when I saw it. 51 Samar′ia has not committed half your sins; you have committed more abominations than they, and have made your sisters appear righteous by all the abominations which you have committed. 52 Bear your disgrace, you also, for you have made judgment favorable to your sisters; because of your sins in which you acted more abominably than they, they are more in the right than you. So be ashamed, you also, and bear your disgrace, for you have made your sisters appear righteous.

53 “I will restore their fortunes, both the fortunes of Sodom and her daughters, and the fortunes of Samar′ia and her daughters, and I will restore your own fortunes in the midst of them, 54 that you may bear your disgrace and be ashamed of all that you have done, becoming a consolation to them. 55 As for your sisters, Sodom and her daughters shall return to their former estate, and Samar′ia and her daughters shall return to their former estate; and you and your daughters shall return to your former estate. 56 Was not your sister Sodom a byword in your mouth in the day of your pride, 57 before your wickedness was uncovered? Now you have become like her[d] an object of reproach for the daughters of Edom[e] and all her neighbors, and for the daughters of the Philistines, those round about who despise you. 58 You bear the penalty of your lewdness and your abominations, says the Lord." - Ezekiel 16

Yes, I do believe that the time of Judgment is on its way, with the way this world is going and that America, the UK and its other allies literally have hell to pay for the destruction, abuse, killing, exploitation, etc. they have wrought upon the peoples of the world and extreme greed and idolatry its so-called "leaders" practice and brainwash the populace into practicing.
 
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jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Along with America and the U.K. why didn't all North Korea,
Russia, China, Iran and Syria and a host of other nations
with a "questionable reputation" and there are a host of others.
Saudi Arabia whose motto is "dirty deeds done dirt cheap".
ISIS anyone?
How about the real problem, the world of Christendom?
But I do agree the time is ripe for God to say " Hold! Enough!"
Then kick some serious backsides.
 

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Country's listed by most decadent: For your grins and giggles.
This is an interesting list. Bloomberg has ranked 57 countries on their propensity for vice. I'm surprised to see Australia so high (well maybe not).

1. Czech Republic
2. Slovenia
3. Australia
4. Armenia
5. Bulgaria
6. Spain
7. Bosnia and Herzegovina
8. Russia
9. Belarus
10. Greece

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/worl...decadent-nations-2013-live.html#ixzz3mDakV4AH

Phew, Denmark is more decadent than we are.

27. Denmark
31. Finland
41. Sweden
46. Norway

Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/worl...decadent-nations-2013-live.html#ixzz3mDb79wER
 

BilliardsBall

Veteran Member
Two cities are situated on seven hills, Rome and Jerusalem. "She who is in Babylon greets you" is Rome, not Jerusalem. While countless individual Catholics love Jesus Christ and are saved by relying on Him and not their works and deeds, Rome's doctrine is bizarre and horrible--especially where it says "It's 100% wrong to believe faith in Jesus can save your soul."
 
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