outhouse
Atheistically
If you took a grade school class on biology they would teach you how.
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Challenge: Make Your Case for Creationism
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If you took a grade school class on biology they would teach you how.
outhouse
Atheistically
Yet you do
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
So, by your own admission, the complexity of the human eye, and the care that must have gone into creating it, is less than that of some other creatures... Doesn't that pose some problems to the idea that we are "fearfully and wonderfully made", or that we are somehow above other creatures? I mean, since more care and attention and compexity went into their eyes, is it ridiculous to conclude that they are loved by the Intelligent Designer more than we are? (That's a bit tongue in cheek...but the point is that it all raises some serious questions about your conclusion that we are "obviously" created by a supreme intelligent just because we have complex features)
How is a naturalistic approach to understanding "denying truth in the face of reality"? What is the reality that I cannot see? What is the truth that I am supposedly denying?
Can you prove or substantiate any of it?
If you can't, don't you think it's quite a stretch to say that there is an invisible, unproven truth...and then to suggest that I am denying it?
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
I respect that position
To support the idea that people should not put blind faith in anything, you cite a passage that supports the concept of blind faith? I would have at least preferred the passage from Timothy about testing your conclusions, and only keeping what is good...
Odd also that you cite the Bible, as if a book which frequently references magic and levitation is something that we should trust as being grounded in reality.
Shad
Veteran Member
Since God is not the thing tested your statement is false. You inferred a conclusion supported by your bias, nothing more, Produce God for testing then you have a point. However no one has done so, ever. You also made an empty statement backed by nothing especially science.
What I found in the article cited are statements but no evidence; common to evolutionary theory, I think. For one example: "of these homologies suggest that c-opsins were present in the common ancestor of all living vertebrates." that statement presupposes there was a common ancestor of all living vertebrates. Such sweeping and unproven assumptions underlie evolution, like sinkholes under an elaborately constructed house.
Our eyes are wonderfully suited for us humans, as the eyes of other creatures are for them. Can you prove a house was built by someone? Is the house itself not proof? There is abundant proof in the design and forethought evident in all living things that a creative Genius designed and constructed them. But again, I am not surprised that many cannot accept the simple fact recorded at Hebrews 3:4; " Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God."
I think your characterization of the Bible is far from accurate.
leibowde84
Veteran Member
Did you even look for evidence outside the article? Because, it's readily available.
outhouse
Atheistically
But only in imagination and severe ignorance of grade school biology.
outhouse
Atheistically
You have no evidence.
Stop making claims you cannot substantiate.
ID is a laughable man made creation that perverts biblical mythology because the mythology was proven to be mythology.
It was deemed pseudoscience for a reason.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Hmm interesting, thanks.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
You can prove that a house was built by a builder with more than anecdotal sources...
There will be receipts for product purchases.
There will be left over products from the original purchase that can be traced between the work site of the house of the builder's stock.
There will be tools marks that can be matched to the tools of said builder.
There will be primary and secondary witnesses to the construction of the house, and who built it.
There may be tire marks in the dirt or driveway of the home that can be matched to the tires of the builder's vehicle.
There will be certain types and manufacture of screws and nails that will be consistent with that a certain builder uses in construction.
There will be all sorts of evidences that can prove which builder built a house.
In regards to God "building" creation, there is only faithful speculation.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
(Shapeshifting)
Exodus 7:10
And Moses and Aaron went in unto Pharaoh, and they did so as the LORD had commanded: and Aaron cast down his rod before Pharaoh, and before his servants, and it became a serpent.
(Talking animals)
Numbers 22:30
And the *** said unto Balaam, Am not I thine ***, upon which thou hast ridden ever since I was thine unto this day? was I ever wont to do so unto thee? And he said, Nay.
(Levitation)
2 Kings 2:11
Then it came about as they were going along and talking, that behold, there appeared a chariot of fire and horses of fire which separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven.
(More Shapeshifting Magic!)
Genesis 19:26
But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt.
(Magic Flying Body Parts)
Acts 2:3
And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
(Jesus' Anti-Gravity Water-Repellent Sandals)
Matthew 14:25
And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.
That sure is a lot of magic and hocus-pocus, considering that you've said my characterization of the Bible is far from accurate... and this is just a tiny sample.
*Please note that there are also mentions of magic spit, teleportation, zombies, the starting and stopping on planetary rotation, inaccurate historical timelines, MORE talking animals, demon possessions, levitation, people rising from the dead (all the time) and we're just scratching the surface!
leibowde84
Veteran Member
What about the eye specifically leads you to believe that it could not be the product of evolution. Please keep in mind that I understand your claim that it is complex and useful, but eyes certainly aren't perfect, and human beings don't have the best vision, so what specific parts/aspects of the eye make you think that evolution could not be the explanation
outhouse
Atheistically
Hows does creation mythology stack up to these newly found facts un human lineage????
Let the poor excuses and denial come forward.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...-african-cave/ar-AAe8sRT?li=AAa0dzB&ocid=iehp
New Species in Human Lineage Is Found in a South African Cave
Homo naledi.
1,550 fossil elements documenting the discovery constituted the largest sample for any hominin species in a single African site, and one of the largest anywhere in the world.
“With almost every bone in the body represented multiple times, Homo naledi is already practically the best-known fossil member of our lineage,”
Some of its primitive anatomy, like a brain no larger than an average orange, Dr. Berger said, indicated that the species evolved near or at the root of the Homo genus, meaning it must be in excess of 2.5 million to 2.8 million years old
Let the poor excuses and denial come forward.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...-african-cave/ar-AAe8sRT?li=AAa0dzB&ocid=iehp
New Species in Human Lineage Is Found in a South African Cave
Homo naledi.
1,550 fossil elements documenting the discovery constituted the largest sample for any hominin species in a single African site, and one of the largest anywhere in the world.
“With almost every bone in the body represented multiple times, Homo naledi is already practically the best-known fossil member of our lineage,”
Some of its primitive anatomy, like a brain no larger than an average orange, Dr. Berger said, indicated that the species evolved near or at the root of the Homo genus, meaning it must be in excess of 2.5 million to 2.8 million years old
Shad
Veteran Member
This reminds me of my youth playing DnD. God must be been a Druid.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
Like I said, your characterization of what the Bible says is far from accurate. The miracles the Bible recounts were brought about by God, not magic. (Deuteronomy 18:10-12) For one example, the tongues of fire appearing over the heads of the Christians on Pentecost were evidence that God's spirit was given to them, not "magic flying body parts", as you assert. "Now while the day of the Festival of Pentecost was in progress, they were all together at the same place. Suddenly there was a noise from heaven, just like that of a rushing, stiff breeze, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting. And tongues as if of fire became visible to them and were distributed, and one came to rest on each one of them, and they all became filled with holy spirit and started to speak in different languages, just as the spirit enabled them to speak." (Acts 2:1-4) Your other claims are similarly flawed, IMO.
None of these "evidences" save possibly tool marks can be found for ancient edifices recently discovered. Still, there they are, so someone must have built them, correct?