does the bible contain anything of value

Iti oj said:

we did are part, the bible is preached in all land, that is the first part. the second part is then the end shall come and it has not .

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' first part ' leads to a ' final phase ' before the end of all badness on earth comes.
Right, the end of this bad system had not yet come.
We are nearing the threshold of the coming ' time of separation ' on earth of Matthew 25:31-32 - before Jesus will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.

There are new people being born every day so we can always, so to speak, continue to ' do our part '. God will do His part when people's hearts have reached the point of No repentance as needed in order to gain entrance into Jesus' coming 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth. The witness is to all nations - Matthew 24:14 - so there will be a cut off point when God knows the best time for Jesus to take the action of Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:15 .
Not us, but God has the appointed cut-off time - Habakkuk 2:3 B
In the meantime, more people have the opportunity to hear about the good news of God's kingdom - Daniel 7:13-14; Daniel 2:44

URAVIP2ME said:

' first part ' leads to a ' final phase ' before the end of all badness on earth comes.
Right, the end of this bad system had not yet come.
We are nearing the threshold of the coming ' time of separation ' on earth of Matthew 25:31-32 - before Jesus will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.

There are new people being born every day so we can always, so to speak, continue to ' do our part '. God will do His part when people's hearts have reached the point of No repentance as needed in order to gain entrance into Jesus' coming 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth. The witness is to all nations - Matthew 24:14 - so there will be a cut off point when God knows the best time for Jesus to take the action of Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:15 .
Not us, but God has the appointed cut-off time - Habakkuk 2:3 B
In the meantime, more people have the opportunity to hear about the good news of God's kingdom - Daniel 7:13-14; Daniel 2:44

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it did not come despite the other half being fulfilled. you can say it still lies in the future but nothing you posted supports that .

URAVIP2ME said:

Have you ever had a job where there was No boss ?
Without a boss to run the business how much would be accomplished ?

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Yes, I have. And a great deal was accomplished if I wanted to make any money.

Who ever complains about the headship principle in the school system ?
The pupil's head is the teacher, the teachers head is the principal, the principal's head is the super.
That headship principle allows for the smooth working out of the school system, as the ' boss head ' runs the business system.

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Okay...

So, the Bible's headship is like a captain and his first mate to steer us through the rough waters of life.
The first mate can have the input, but the final decision belongs to the captian.
Have you ever read Ephesians 5:25 or Ephesians 5:28-29 ?

Biblical submission is: as unto the Lord - Ephesians 5:21-23
As ' unto the Lord ' then would mean a ' relative ' subjection and Not absolute. Not to be submissive to wrongdoing.

Whose voice did God want Abraham to listen to and obey at the latter part of Genesis 21:12 __________ Wasn't it his wife's voice ?

If Jesus taught nothing new, then what do you find old about Jesus' new commandment at John 13:34-35 ?

Perhaps ' revolutionary ' is Not the word I want to use regarding that Jesus' words will like a sharp executioner's sword to rid the earth of wickedness - Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:15 - but doesn't that sound as if it could be considered as revolutionary ?_________

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Claim what you like. I've read the bible cover to cover multiple times. Not once does jesus, or any other figure, disdain slavery, or the subjugation of women. Both were common in his day. If the bible were revolutionary or a moral authority, it should have addressed those obvious wrongs. And don't even get me started about the old testament. God called for genocide multiple times, wiping out entire cities of men women and children, ordering a man to kill his own son and being happy that he was willing.... messed up stuff.

Any god who would ask a man to kill his own son isn't worthy of following by anyone. Any god who would wipe out cities just so the Jews could have a homeland is not worthy of respect. I know all the bs about 'it was a different time'. But according to your beliefs, it is the same god.

I think it is obvious that these stories were used to justify the despicable behavior of the jews. I bet the current tribes wish they could pull off the same kind of PR stunt.

The Bible is extensive, and has a wealth of valuable information within. It takes a non-judgemental and studious approach but is well worth it. The same can be said for many religious texts.
The Bible is unique in that it chronicles the lessons valued by society for millennia. In this sense it goes through phases- which is why the Old Testament God is vengeful and jealous, but by the New Testament it's about Love and Life.

dogfishparisi said:

The Bible is extensive, and has a wealth of valuable information within. It takes a non-judgemental and studious approach but is well worth it. The same can be said for many religious texts.
The Bible is unique in that it chronicles the lessons valued by society for millennia. In this sense it goes through phases- which is why the Old Testament God is vengeful and jealous, but by the New Testament it's about Love and Life.

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In the old Hebrew Scriptures justice was equal for equal. God can read hearts where we can't. God carried out executions for justice sake. Those who repented such as Rahab and the Gibeonites were spared. God knows the point of no remorse or repenting.
In the Christian Scriptures - Matthew 25:31-32 - there will be a final judgment before the start of Jesus 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth when the wicked will be gone. - Psalms 92:7; Proverbs 2:21-22

Underhill said:

Yes, I have. And a great deal was accomplished if I wanted to make any money.
Okay...
Claim what you like. I've read the bible cover to cover multiple times. Not once does jesus, or any other figure, disdain slavery, or the subjugation of women. Both were common in his day. If the bible were revolutionary or a moral authority, it should have addressed those obvious wrongs. And don't even get me started about the old testament. God called for genocide multiple times, wiping out entire cities of men women and children, ordering a man to kill his own son and being happy that he was willing.... messed up stuff.
Any god who would ask a man to kill his own son isn't worthy of following by anyone. Any god who would wipe out cities just so the Jews could have a homeland is not worthy of respect. I know all the bs about 'it was a different time'. But according to your beliefs, it is the same god.
I think it is obvious that these stories were used to justify the despicable behavior of the jews. I bet the current tribes wish they could pull off the same kind of PR stunt.

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Oops! I meant in a usual large business group if there was No boss how would the company function.

Israel was never in the slave-trade business as we think of slavery today.
There were No debtors prisons in Israel so slavery for up to 7 years was permitted to pay off one's debts.- Leviticus 25:39-41
If the Jubilee year came before the 7 years were up, weren't all debts forgiven at that time ?
Also, there were No jails but cities of refuge for law breakers.
What did you find wrong with Leviticus chapter 19 ?

The Constitution of the Mosaic Law was for ancient Israel addressing economic problems.
Weren't they supposed to set aside produce for the poor ? ________ (gleaning )
Grant the needy interest-free loans, besides restore hereditary lands to their original owners every 50 years to protect property rights. That supported them through financial reversals, recover them from long-term poverty.
Leviticus 19:9-10; Leviticus 25:10; Leviticus 25:35-37; Deuteronomy 24:19-21 and chapter 15 of Deuteronomy.

Genocide or rather execution for the sake of justice for the righteous.
If God would Not have intervened the upright would Not have survived.

I imagine you like many are referring to Deuteronomy 21:18-22 in killing one's child.
Please note that ' child ' was Not a minor but an adult grown son who was a drunk or a glutton.

Also, Abraham was showing his faith in the promised earthly resurrection.
Isaac did Not resist. They knew the promised ' seed ' (Messiah ) would come only through Isaac.
Isaac would have to be alive in order to produce that promised offspring. - Hebrews 11:17-19

Besides reading from cover to cover, since the Bible is Not written like a dictionary ABC, then we can read the Bible by subject or topic arrangement by using the corresponding or parallel cross-reference verses and passages to see a complete picture of what the Bible really teaches.

Iti oj said:

often people say dont throw the baby out with the bath water but to me it seems like sticking your hands in a vat of acid for a few shinny baubles found elsewhere . nothing good in the bible is unique .
@Orbit

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I'd be hard-pressed to identify any piece of literature, fiction or otherwise, which doesn't contain anything of value.

dogfishparisi said:

The Bible is extensive, and has a wealth of valuable information within. It takes a non-judgemental and studious approach but is well worth it. The same can be said for many religious texts.
The Bible is unique in that it chronicles the lessons valued by society for millennia. In this sense it goes through phases- which is why the Old Testament God is vengeful and jealous, but by the New Testament it's about Love and Life.

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this i would agree with but suggest the value is only gleaned with an anthropological view and not as a source of wisdom or morals.

Kilgore Trout said:

I'd be hard-pressed to identify any piece of literature, fiction or otherwise, which doesn't contain anything of value.

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you clearly have not read the twilight series, which only value it had was getting me laid.

Iti oj said:

you clearly have not read the twilight serious, which only value it had was getting me laid.

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My god, I hope it was worth it.

Kilgore Trout said:

My god, I hope it was worth it.

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it was at the time
fixed serious as series

Iti oj said:

often people say dont throw the baby out with the bath water but to me it seems like sticking your hands in a vat of acid for a few shinny baubles found elsewhere . nothing good in the bible is unique .
@Orbit

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My question would be, "Is there anything outside of the Bible that has any value"?

First Baseman said:

My question would be, "Is there anything outside of the Bible that has any value"?

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You don't find value in anything outside the bible?

Iti oj said:

this i would agree with but suggest the value is only gleaned with an anthropological view and not as a source of wisdom or morals.

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Is the Golden Rule outdated ?
Is there No wisdom in having the same love for others as Jesus did ? - John 13:34-35

URAVIP2ME said:

Is the Golden Rule outdated ?
Is there No wisdom in having the same love for others as Jesus did ? - John 13:34-35

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no but i don't need the bible for that. again vat of acid vs baby in the bath water

Iti oj said:

it did not come despite the other half being fulfilled. you can say it still lies in the future but nothing you posted supports that .

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The ' final signal' so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 is supported when ' they' (the powers that be ) are saying Peace and Security or Peace and Safety as a precursor to the great tribulation of Revelation 7:14

The final half, or final phase, also comes when the international preaching work of Matthew 24:14 is done earth wide.
Modern technology had made that possible through rapid Bible translations which in the past was Not possible.
Today Scripture is available to people all over the globe to read Scripture in their own language or mother tongue.

URAVIP2ME said:

The ' final signal' so to speak, of 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 is supported when ' they' (the powers that be ) are saying Peace and Security or Peace and Safety as a precursor to the great tribulation of Revelation 7:14

The final half, or final phase, also comes when the international preaching work of Matthew 24:14 is done earth wide.
Modern technology had made that possible through rapid Bible translations which in the past was Not possible.
Today Scripture is available to people all over the globe to read Scripture in their own language or mother tongue.

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sounds like current american foreign policy

Iti oj said:

no but i don't need the bible for that. again vat of acid vs baby in the bath water

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Of course you don't need the Bible for that because, unless damaged, we all come equipped with an in-born conscience.

For when the people of the nations, who do Not have law, do by nature the things of the law, these people, although Not having law, are a law to themselves. They are the very ones who demonstrate the matter of the law to be written in their hearts, while their conscience is bearing witness with them, and by their own thoughts they are being: ' accused ' or even ' excused ' .

A person's conscience can calloused to the unfeeling point of being seared as with a hot branding iron.

Kilgore Trout said:

You don't find value in anything outside the bible?

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Good question. The way I see the world few things exist outside of the Bible and those things are not truth.

Men I do not trust absolutely.
God I do trust absolutely.

First Baseman said:

Good question. The way I see the world few things exist outside of the Bible and those things are not truth.

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So this forum is not true, nor is your experience of being on it posting this?

Men I do not trust absolutely.
God I do trust absolutely.

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So then we shouldn't trust you... since you're a man (human)... or?