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Prophets and Seers W/ Mental Illness

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Paranoid Android

Active Member
I recently published my idea why people with mental illness are more open to "Reality" in the thread "What Is REALITY ?". As I said there, I believe that certain people see/hear/experience things, and are true visions of Reality, but they don't have the linguistic skills, vocabulary to fully describe what they saw/heard/experienced.
However, I respect what you have to say. Perhaps God sent you to deliver me a message. I shall listen to it and consider what you say.
 
SpentaMaynu

SpentaMaynu

One God, All in all
I'm no expert on the medical side of mental illness so I won't say anything about it. It is true though that people will call you mad if you say you've got a message from God (most Western people). Maybe they are, maybe not. Problem is - what is 'normal' and who decided on it? Just because most of society do something a certain way does not make those who don't do it that way abnormal or mad or mentally ill. Then again even if they are I agree with you - listen, decide what you believe, live it, handle the consequences of your decision...
 
wintersolstice

wintersolstice

Member
I am always very cautious before labeling someone's unique way of thinking "delusional." I try to listen carefully and understand where their unusual thoughts stem from. Many times, such thoughts arise from perception/misperception of experience although the origin may not be initially obvious.

I believe that it is important not to generalize.

Some people with mental illness are content with their view of "reality" while others are absolutely tormented. It is an very individual experience, not "always" or "never."
 
jeager106

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Interesting topic.
I'm 68, my fiance (wonderful woman) slightly older & her 41 year
old daughter lives with her.
Reason being the daughter, Linda, is full blown paranoid-schizophrenic
with bi-polar complex.
I've been interacting with Linda in a family setting for 3 years.
At first I resented her deeply, thought she ought to be in an institution
for at least her lifetime or more!
When I met her she was quite mentally sick, weighed 85 pounds,
5-0 tall, cried all the time, walked around the house mostly nude, and
other disturbing behavior.
After I time I began to suspect she really did see and hear things
us "normal" folks could not.
I thought her brain was out of phase with the universe.
Not so much that she was crazy but so very confused by what she
believed she could hear and see that "we" could not.
Fortunately her mom found a great doc that changed Linda's meds.
She seldom acts out, gained healthy weight, is a loving caring
young woman and I am happy she compliments our lives.

Sadly paranoid-schizophrenics are responsible for every mass murder committed
in the past three decades.
Nuts, is nuts. Don't let 'em have a gun.
 
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Paranoid Android

Active Member
jeager106 said:
Interesting topic.
I'm 68, my fiance (wonderful woman) slightly older & her 41 year
old daughter lives with her.
Reason being the daughter, Linda, is full blown paranoid-schizophrenic
with bi-polar complex.
I've been interacting with Linda in a family setting for 3 years.
At first I resented her deeply, thought she ought to be in an institution
for at least her lifetime or more!
When I met her she was quite mentally sick, weighed 85 pounds,
5-0 tall, cried all the time, walked around the house mostly nude, and
other disturbing behavior.
After I time I began to suspect she really did see and hear things
us "normal" folks could not.
I thought her brain was out of phase with the universe.
Not so much that she was crazy but so very confused by what she
believed she could hear and see that "we" could not.
Fortunately her mom found a great doc that changed Linda's meds.
She seldom acts out, gained healthy weight, is a loving caring
young woman and I am happy she compliments our lives.

Sadly paranoid-schizophrenics are responsible for every mass murder committed
in the past three decades.
Nuts, is nuts. Don't let 'em have a gun.
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Excuse me, sir ? She is not a "nut" ? She is a beloved with paranoid-schizophrenia. You obviously are, sir, are either ill-educated or just a plain idiot ( look that word up. I know exactly what idiot means). However, I do agree guns are not needed.
I am a pacifist. I climb the seven Rungs on Jacob's Ladder. I do not believe in killing, even to save my own life. It's a pity that Squares are so violent, and support violence.
Nice attempt at trolling, sir. But a massive FAIL.
 
vaguelyhumanoid

vaguelyhumanoid

Active Member
jeager106 said:
Sadly paranoid-schizophrenics are responsible for every mass murder committed
in the past three decades.
Nuts, is nuts. Don't let 'em have a gun.
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Flat out bigotry and lies. This mindset is why so many schizophrenics end up homeless, imprisoned or murdered, whether at the hands of citizens or the state. They're more likely to be killed by someone like you than you are by someone like them.

It's too destabilizing, too disturbing to think that a "normal" person would go on a killing spree, so there's always a rush to diagnose every mass shooter, even when they're clearly motivated by hateful political beliefs or a personal vendetta.
 
jeager106

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
vaguelyhumanoid said:
Flat out bigotry and lies. This mindset is why so many schizophrenics end up homeless, imprisoned or murdered, whether at the hands of citizens or the state. They're more likely to be killed by someone like you than you are by someone like them.

It's too destabilizing, too disturbing to think that a "normal" person would go on a killing spree, so there's always a rush to diagnose every mass shooter, even when they're clearly motivated by hateful political beliefs or a personal vendetta.
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READ THIS AND TELL ME WHAT PARTS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND?
The high profile mass killings in Newtown, Aurora, Tucson and elsewhere have raised two questions: 1) Are such killings increasing; 2) what proportion of them are attributable to persons with severe mental illnesses? There have been four attempts to answer these questions.

In 1999, Hempel et al. (1) at the University of North Texas identified 30 mass killings for which extensive information was available. The killings occurred between 1949 and 1998 in the U.S. and Canada. Mass killings were defined as having at least three people killed, excluding the killer; only firearms-related killings were included.

Even though the 30 killings took place over a 50-year period, 21 of them (70 percent) took place in the most recent years, from 1986-1998. This suggests that there has been an increase in the incidence of such killings. Twelve perpetrators had psychotic symptoms at the time of the killings and another 8 individuals “exhibited behavior suggestive of psychosis;” thus 20 of the 30 perpetrators (67%) had definite or probable psychosis. The most common diagnoses were schizophrenia, delusional disorder, and major depression. Fifteen of them had a previously documented psychiatric history of psychiatric hospitalization or visits to a mental health professional. Alcohol was said to play a role in only 3 of the 30 killings.

In 2000, the New York Times published a detailed survey of 100 “rampage killers” who committed mass killings between 1949 and 1999 (2). The survey included all “multiple-victim killings that were not primarily domestic or connected to a robbery or gang.” The survey included crimes with “multiple victims, at least one of whom died, and to have occurred substantially at one time.” A total of 425 people were killed and 510 were injured.
http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/about-us/reports-studies-backgrounders/2531
 
vaguelyhumanoid

vaguelyhumanoid

Active Member
A slight majority of high-profile spree killers have mental disorders. However, the majority of murders are committed by neurotypical people without mental diagnoses, and mentally ill people are more likely to be the victims than the perpetrators of violence. Mentally ill people are among the most oppressed and vulnerable segments of our society. Still, there's always a rush to diagnose every new (white) killer, even when their motive is clearly terrorism (e.g. Elliott Rogers, Dylann Roof).
 
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Paranoid Android

Active Member
vaguelyhumanoid said:
A slight majority of high-profile spree killers have mental disorders. However, the majority of murders are committed by neurotypical people without mental diagnoses, and mentally ill people are more likely to be the victims than the perpetrators of violence. Mentally ill people are among the most oppressed and vulnerable segments of our society. Still, there's always a rush to diagnose every new (white) killer, even when their motive is clearly terrorism (e.g. Elliott Rogers, Dylann Roof).
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I'll just say this. The leader of our religion is a pacifist. He is willing to DIE for it. And he is mentally ill. Any questions ?

Yes, non-disabled people scare me. I am much safer hanging out with disabled people.
 
vaguelyhumanoid

vaguelyhumanoid

Active Member
I get that. I often feel more comfortable around autistic people than neurotypicals, especially in a romantic context.

btw are you and Paranoid Android the same guy?
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
jeager106 said:
Sadly paranoid-schizophrenics are responsible for every mass murder committed
in the past three decades.
Nuts, is nuts. Don't let 'em have a gun.
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I am going to need sources, and more than just a causal relation. Those with schizophrenia are generally and mostly not a danger or a threat, especially when compared to other disorders such as bi-polar disorder. Some with schizophrenia may be a danger (I have known one such person who had both schizophrenia and violent tendencies), but generally they are not a threat, not unless you somehow become a part of their delusion, but more commonly not unless they have other issues that make them prone to violence.
 
jeager106

jeager106

Learning more about Jehovah.
Premium Member
Individuals with schizophrenia and other psychoses were found to be responsible for an average of 9.4% (range: 5.3 to 17.9) of all homicides.
From:http://www.treatmentadvocacycenter....zophrenia-research-violence-and-schizophrenia

Most treated schizophrenics are non violent by far.
Only about 9.1% commit violent acts.
Still most all mass murders in past decades were committed by
seriously mentally ill persons.
You can do the research yourself by using your search engines.
Over 20 decades as a cop taught me plenty about violence and
mental illness.
The MOST violent people I had to "restrain" were DRUNKS,
i.e. alcohol, the worse offender for bring out violence in otherwise
fairly normal folks.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
jeager106 said:
Still most all mass murders in past decades were committed by
seriously mentally ill persons.
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I am aware of this. It's why I am strong advocate of psychological screenings for anyone who wants to get a gun, as well as a periodic reevaluation. However, even the article you posted mentioned schizophrenia and other forms of psychosis.
 
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Paranoid Android

Active Member
Ah, he is a Square. He knows EVERYTHING you know and has experience EVERYTHING. You have to to understand, he is SUPERIOR and you are INFERIOR.
 
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Paranoid Android

Active Member
Shhhh..we know that a cop would NEVER shoot a mentally ill person. They are our natural SUPERIORS and they don't make the mistakes that we INFERIOR people do. It's an ILLUSION when you see cops shoot people in there back. They obviously were very DANGEROUS fleeing from a cop.
Remember COP=GOOD , MENTALLY ILL PERSON= DANGEROUS PSYCHO THATS BETTER OFF DEAD. We should be THANKFUL to cops that do that, there removing someone that obviously can not do anything at all. It's a MERCIFUL act killing mentally ill people.
 
Baladas

Baladas

An Págánach
SpentaMaynu said:
I'm no expert on the medical side of mental illness so I won't say anything about it. It is true though that people will call you mad if you say you've got a message from God (most Western people). Maybe they are, maybe not. Problem is - what is 'normal' and who decided on it? Just because most of society do something a certain way does not make those who don't do it that way abnormal or mad or mentally ill. Then again even if they are I agree with you - listen, decide what you believe, live it, handle the consequences of your decision...
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This is an interesting topic, and one I have thought about and discussed in the past.

To some extent, I do believe that 'normal' is only a social construct that functions to assure conformity.
I think that it is ridiculous when people put down or even shun those who are different just because they are "weird".
Who am I to say that someone did not receive a message from a god of some sort?

When someone is genuinely mentally ill (which is the medical side of things) I do think that they ought to receive help.
If the message someone gives is positive, encouraging, wise advice or something of the like... I tend to let them be and try to keep an my mind as open as I can.

Sometimes I will confront someone who preaches something that I consider harmful or manipulative.
 
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