Can someone explain the Trinity please...

lostwanderingsoul · Aug 21, 2015

OK I'm a liar and will post one more time. I see Jesus and the Father as two separate "persons" that make up the one God. I just don't see the third "person" because it is not a separate person. One more example in terms of modern literature. Harry Potter waves his wand and a lightning bolt knocks over a tree. Harry Potter sent the lightning bolt but it is not a separate person. I continue to respect you, outhouse, and am sure you are a wise man. I just can't grasp certain ideas any better. I see God in two persons not three. The third "person" was man's attempt to explain how God works and it is of course a difficult idea to express.

outhouse · Aug 21, 2015

lostwanderingsoul said:
I continue to respect you, outhouse, and am sure you are a wise man

Thank you , as I do respect you.

lostwanderingsoul said:
. I just can't grasp certain ideas any better.

I cannot grasp it as written, so I don't know what to say.

Post all you want. This subject has never been agreed on since it was written, and it will never be agreed on in this forum either.

lostwanderingsoul · Aug 21, 2015

OK one more example. There is a plumber who has been in business over 20 years so he has a very great ability as a plumber. when he solves a plumbing problem it would be correct to say the problem was solved by the plumber. it would also be correct to say the problem was solved be the plumber's ability. that does not make two "persons". let's go on to say this plumber has a son. no one would suggest that there is some sort of trinity here. the father, the son, and the ability. I continue to see the "Holy Spirit" as the Father's power or ability or spirit. that does not make it a separate "person". God is made up of two "persons", the Father and the Son. the fact that there is power and ability and spirit possessed by one or both does not change the fact that there are only two. I don't think anything will ever make me think of God's power, ability, spirit as a "person". thanks for your patience

Yoshua · Aug 24, 2015

moorea944 said:
Well, they wanted to stone him for many reasons, not just one. Jesus never claimed to be God at anytime. The Jews didnt understand him. Plus, they didnt like that he told them that they didnt have to go by the law of Moses anymore, he was a new covenant, with him. They hated that!!

And before Abraham was, I am, does not tell of Jesus's pre-existance. Jesus did not pre-exist. He was telling them that the Gospel was preached before Abraham. Jesus is part of the Gospel. Everyone, including Adam, knew about a coming messiah. That is what it means before Abraham was , I am.

Hi Moorea,

John 8:31-59
31. Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.
32. "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.''
33. They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can you say, `You will be made free'?''
34. Jesus answered them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.
35. "And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.
36. "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.
37. "I know that you are Abraham's descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.
38. "I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.''
39. They answered and said to Him, "Abraham is our father.'' Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham.
40. "But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.
41. "You do the deeds of your father.'' Then they said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father God.''
42. Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43. "Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
44. "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
45. "But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.
46. "Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
47. "He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.''
48. Then the Jews answered and said to Him, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?''
49. Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.
50. "And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges.
51. "Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.''
52. Then the Jews said to Him, "Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, `If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.'
53. "Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Whom do You make Yourself out to be?''
54. Jesus answered, "If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God.
55. "Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, `I do not know Him,' I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word.
56. "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.''
57. Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?''
58. Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.''
59. Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Let’s take a look at the Scriptures, from v.31, they are talking already about Abraham, and it goes down to the proceeding verses at v.53, v.56and other highlighted. The Jews are asking Jesus "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?''

Jesus is telling the truth about God (Father) sending Him. How can Jesus discuss about the gospel while He is still in the process of introducing Himself to the Jews and haven’t shed His blood on the cross and resurrected?

It is very logical to and easy to comprehend what the Jews is asking and what Jesus responded as “I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.'' That would mean He truly pre-exists. He is already there before Abraham.

How about this one? How could He say the glory which I had with You (God-Father)? Jesus should said “the glory which I have now” instead of “I had with You” if Jesus did not pre-exist.

John 17:5
5. "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Exodus 3:14
14. And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM.'' And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, `I AM has sent me to you.' ''

Did you know what the gospel is? This is what Paul defined the Gospel.
1 Cor. 15:1-4
1. Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,
2. by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you unless you believed in vain.
3. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4. and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

moorea944 said:
Well, we have to ask ourselves, why would Jesus be equal with God? Jesus gave glory to his Father in everything he did. And it was God's will be done, not Jesus's will. Scripture tells us that there is only one God and no other Gods beside him. He is the only with immortality from beginning to end. Paul wants to make sure that everyone knows that Jesus is a man. And that he is not equal with our Creator.

I’m particular on my second question.
If being in the form of God did not make Him God, why it need to be mention that He did not consider to be equal with God?
Why we should ask ourselves? I believed we should carefully study what the Scripture says. This is what I’m pointing out, if Jesus is not a deity or God, why it need to be mention that He did not consider to be equal with God?

This is a very logical understanding that Jesus is truly a deity, a God.

moorea944 said:
That is the Greek translation of it.

So, the word "theos" was used in John 20:28 for "God," Isn't it? What do you mean by the word "theos" in Greek?By Yoshua

Yes I know, it is the Greek word. What do you mean by the word “theos”?

Thanks

Yoshua · Aug 24, 2015

lostwanderingsoul said:
a few posts back was a discussion of how Mary became pregnant. She was made pregnant by the Heavenly Father. But she was also made pregnant by the power of the most high. The power of the most high is often called the spirit of God and it is holy so it is a holy spirit. since only God is holy His spirit is the Holy Spirit. If a human woman gets pregnant today is it correct to say she was made pregnant by her husband? is it not also correct to say she got pregnant by the power of her husband? or you could say she got pregnant by the love of her husband. the power of her husband or the love of her husband are not separate beings or persons. Mary was made pregnant by the Heavenly Father, or by the power of God, or by the spirit of God or by the Holy Spirit. they are all names for the same thing. it does not make the Spirit a separate being or person in a trinity. Would you say ther is a human trinity - a man and his wife and his strength? Makes no sense at all

Hi lost,

If the Spirit of God/Holy Spirit is the one who enveloped Mary to conceive Jesus, then there is the Holy Spirit exist. That is one. How about our Father God, and how about Jesus Christ?

Can you say that God, our Father go inside the womb of Mary, it is not, it is by the Spirit of God. The Spirit of God is the Spirit of God.

Take a look at this Scripture:
John 14:16-19
16. "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever,
17. "even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
18. "I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.
19. "A little while longer and the world will see Me no more, but you will see Me. Because I live, you will live also.

Jesus exists on earth, that is one who exist. He will pray to the Father. That is the second one who exists. Now, Jesus said that He will pray to the Father to give us another Helper, the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God. That is the third one who will exists.

How many now who exists? They are three, Isn’t it? The Bible showed us that there are three existing persons but one God.

Thanks

moorea944 · Aug 24, 2015

Yoshua said:
Hi Moorea,

John 8:31-59
31. Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, "If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed.
32. "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.''
33. They answered Him, "We are Abraham's descendants, and have never been in bondage to anyone. How can you say, `You will be made free'?''
34. Jesus answered them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin.
35. "And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever.
36. "Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.
37. "I know that you are Abraham's descendants, but you seek to kill Me, because My word has no place in you.
38. "I speak what I have seen with My Father, and you do what you have seen with your father.''
39. They answered and said to Him, "Abraham is our father.'' Jesus said to them, "If you were Abraham's children, you would do the works of Abraham.
40. "But now you seek to kill Me, a Man who has told you the truth which I heard from God. Abraham did not do this.
41. "You do the deeds of your father.'' Then they said to Him, "We were not born of fornication; we have one Father God.''
42. Jesus said to them, "If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God; nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me.
43. "Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word.
44. "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.
45. "But because I tell the truth, you do not believe Me.
46. "Which of you convicts Me of sin? And if I tell the truth, why do you not believe Me?
47. "He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God.''
48. Then the Jews answered and said to Him, "Do we not say rightly that You are a Samaritan and have a demon?''
49. Jesus answered, "I do not have a demon; but I honor My Father, and you dishonor Me.
50. "And I do not seek My own glory; there is One who seeks and judges.
51. "Most assuredly, I say to you, if anyone keeps My word he shall never see death.''
52. Then the Jews said to Him, "Now we know that You have a demon! Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and You say, `If anyone keeps My word he shall never taste death.'
53. "Are You greater than our father Abraham, who is dead? And the prophets are dead. Whom do You make Yourself out to be?''
54. Jesus answered, "If I honor Myself, My honor is nothing. It is My Father who honors Me, of whom you say that He is your God.
55. "Yet you have not known Him, but I know Him. And if I say, `I do not know Him,' I shall be a liar like you; but I do know Him and keep His word.
56. "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.''
57. Then the Jews said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?''
58. Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.''
59. Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Let’s take a look at the Scriptures, from v.31, they are talking already about Abraham, and it goes down to the proceeding verses at v.53, v.56and other highlighted. The Jews are asking Jesus "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?''

Jesus is telling the truth about God (Father) sending Him. How can Jesus discuss about the gospel while He is still in the process of introducing Himself to the Jews and haven’t shed His blood on the cross and resurrected?

It is very logical to and easy to comprehend what the Jews is asking and what Jesus responded as “I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.'' That would mean He truly pre-exists. He is already there before Abraham.

How about this one? How could He say the glory which I had with You (God-Father)? Jesus should said “the glory which I have now” instead of “I had with You” if Jesus did not pre-exist.

John 17:5
5. "And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.

Exodus 3:14
14. And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM.'' And He said, "Thus you shall say to the children of Israel, `I AM has sent me to you.' ''

Did you know what the gospel is? This is what Paul defined the Gospel.
1 Cor. 15:1-4
1. Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand,
2. by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you unless you believed in vain.
3. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures,
4. and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures,

I’m particular on my second question.
If being in the form of God did not make Him God, why it need to be mention that He did not consider to be equal with God?
Why we should ask ourselves? I believed we should carefully study what the Scripture says. This is what I’m pointing out, if Jesus is not a deity or God, why it need to be mention that He did not consider to be equal with God?

This is a very logical understanding that Jesus is truly a deity, a God.

So, the word "theos" was used in John 20:28 for "God," Isn't it? What do you mean by the word "theos" in Greek?By Yoshua

Yes I know, it is the Greek word. What do you mean by the word “theos”?

Thanks

You have to remember that Jesus was able to say of Abraham that "he rejoiced to see my day and he saw it and was glad" because through the eye of his faith he saw in the ram caught by it's horns in the thicket, the sacrifice of the Lord's providing - the Lord Jesus Christ. Abraham's experience of the test of his faith enabled him to see beyond his day to the ministry of the Jesus. The Genesis record highlights for us the sight of Abraham.

Abraham had seen and understood that the Lord was to provide a sacrifice and would provide the one through whom all nations would ultimately be blessed. Like Isaac and Jacob and the faithful of all the ages, he saw the promises afar off (Heb 11:13).

Did you know what the gospel is? This is what Paul defined the Gospel. 1 Cor. 15:1-4

That is only part of the Gospel. What does scripture tell us what the full Gospel is? It is the things concerning the Kingdom of God and the message of Jesus Christ. His death and resurrection is part of it, yes. But it is not all of it.

THE Kingdom of God - the 'earth filled with God's glory' (Numbers 14:21; Psalm 72:19; Isaiah 11:9; Habakkuk 2:14, etc.) - is the joyous theme of the whole Bible, the very heart and backbone of the Divine Purpose, from Genesis to Revelation. It was the basis of the preaching of Christ and the Apostles. This is incontrovertible, from the above quotation and many others, as these -

"Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God" (Mark 1:14).

"Jesus went about all the cities and villages, preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom" (Matthew 9:35).

"I must preach the Kingdom of God, for therefore am I sent" (Luke 4:43).

"Then he called his 12 disciples together, and he sent them to preach the Kingdom of God" (Luke 9:1-2).
The purpose of God involves that the earth is to ultimately be filled with His glory:
Numbers 14:21 "But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD."

"Jesus went about all Galilee, preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom of God." (Matthew 4:23).

"In the days of these kings shall the God of heaven SET UP A KINGDOM, which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever."

The Gospel did not begin with Christ. It was preached to Abraham -
"The Scriptures preached before (RV: beforehand) the Gospel to Abraham." (Galatians 3:8).
The Gospel was preached to Israel in the wilderness by Moses -
"To us was the Gospel preached, as well as unto them (Israel under Moses: see context). But the Word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it" (Hebrews 4:2).

lostwanderingsoul · Aug 24, 2015

if the Spirit of God went inside Mary then the Spirit is the father of Jesus. but we say the Father is the father of Jesus. Doesn't God have the power to just move a finger and make something happen? it was this power that made Mary pregnant. nobody "went inside her" . God's power (spirit) made her pregnant without sex. the Father made Mary pregnant by His power (Spirit) and Jesus was the result. Father and Son - TWO. no separate "person" called Holy Spirit - Just the power or spirit of the Father.

moorea944 · Aug 24, 2015

The other thing I like about the book of John, is that it totally defunks the trinity!!

Just in John 8 v 40, "But now ye seek to kill me, a man that hath told you the truth," A man? Jesus is telling everyone he is a man? I thought you said he was a God? How many other verses does it tell us that he was a man..

1. Acts 2v22 "...Jesus of Nazareth, a MAN approved of God....."

2. Romans 5v15 "But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one MAN, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many."

3. 1 Tim 2v5 "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the MAN Christ Jesus"

4. Heb 7v24 "But this MAN, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood."

5. Heb 10v12 "But this MAN, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God"

6. 1 Cor 15v21 "For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead."
Heb 2 tells us that he was just like us.

"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he - also -himself - likewise - took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death"

16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted."

Something to think about...

Yoshua · Aug 25, 2015

lostwanderingsoul said:
if the Spirit of God went inside Mary then the Spirit is the father of Jesus. but we say the Father is the father of Jesus. Doesn't God have the power to just move a finger and make something happen? it was this power that made Mary pregnant. nobody "went inside her" . God's power (spirit) made her pregnant without sex. the Father made Mary pregnant by His power (Spirit) and Jesus was the result. Father and Son - TWO. no separate "person" called Holy Spirit - Just the power or spirit of the Father.

Hi lost,

Why there is the Father(God) in heaven, and there is a Spirit of God who enveloped Mary? There is a Father and Son, and the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God).
It's is a very simple to look on how they exists.

Thanks

Yoshua · Aug 25, 2015

Hi Moorea,

You always missed this question:

So, the word "theos" was used in John 20:28 for "God," Isn't it? What do you mean by the word "theos" in Greek?By Yoshua

Yes I know, it is the Greek word. What do you mean by the word “theos”?

Thanks

moorea944 · Aug 25, 2015

Yoshua said:
Hi Moorea,

You always missed this question:

So, the word "theos" was used in John 20:28 for "God," Isn't it? What do you mean by the word "theos" in Greek?By Yoshua

Yes I know, it is the Greek word. What do you mean by the word “theos”?

Thanks

Yes, in that verse, in Greek, it is "theos". In Hebrew it is "Elohim". Thomas knows that Jesus is not God. Everyone knew that he was a man. "Theos" doesnt make Jesus God. "Making' Jesus God or a God, is wrong and totally degrades our Creator. There is only one God. Yahweh. Look at scripture. God is the God and Father of Jesus. God is the head (or leader) of Jesus. That's co-equal? Sorry, but I dont see it...

lostwanderingsoul · Aug 25, 2015

Yes, Yoshua, there is a Father and a Son. the Father has a spirit but it is not a separate "person". a man has a spirit but you do not say a man and his spirit make two "persons". God is made up of two "persons" not three in a trinity. when Harry Potter waves his magic wand and a tree falls down you do not say there were two persons involved . there was only one and he had a magic wand. you could say God's spirit is like a magic wand. He points his finger and something happens. it is not two persons. it is God and the power (spirit) that He has. so the Father and the Son are two persons and the power or spirit of the Father is not a third person. there is no trinity

outhouse · Aug 25, 2015

lostwanderingsoul said:
there is no trinity

There most certainly is in Christianity.

Just because you don't follow the dogma does not mean it does not exist in mythology in theology.

outhouse · Aug 25, 2015

moorea944 said:
Yes, in that verse, in Greek, it is "theos". In Hebrew it is "Elohim".

There are few similarities there, and as I have already shown you, Elohim means much more then any vague reference you have stated.

moorea944 said:
"Theos" doesnt make Jesus God

Yes it does.

moorea944 said:
Making' Jesus God or a God, is wrong and totally degrades our Creator

There factually is no such thing as a creator scientifically for one.

Two, Judaism is not Christianity, and people do not have to worship the same to find positive benefits in theology.

Maybe to you personally, you feel that way. Fine, but don't try and impose it on others who will never change belief anyway.

moorea944 said:
There is only one God. Yahweh.

Yahweh is a combination of two deities and aspects of others. Yahweh in Judaism is two gods. Yahweh in Christianity is 3.

moorea944 said:
. Look at scripture.

You first.

text shows quite clearly ever after the monotheistic redactions after 622 BC that many people were not on board with this new definition following one god, or the compilation of two gods

moorea944 · Aug 26, 2015

outhouse said:
There are few similarities there, and as I have already shown you, Elohim means much more then any vague reference you have stated.

Yes it does.

There factually is no such thing as a creator scientifically for one.

Two, Judaism is not Christianity, and people do not have to worship the same to find positive benefits in theology.

Maybe to you personally, you feel that way. Fine, but don't try and impose it on others who will never change belief anyway.

Yahweh is a combination of two deities and aspects of others. Yahweh in Judaism is two gods. Yahweh in Christianity is 3.

You first.

text shows quite clearly ever after the monotheistic redactions after 622 BC that many people were not on board with this new definition following one god, or the compilation of two gods

There are few similarities there, and as I have already shown you, Elohim means much more then any vague reference you have stated.

lol It's not a "vague" reference. You want it to be a vague reference.

Yes it does.

How can it make Jesus God if he is not God.....

There factually is no such thing as a creator scientifically for one.

Yes there is. IT's in the bible. You make him different Gods than what HE is.

Two, Judaism is not Christianity, and people do not have to worship the same to find positive benefits in theology.

Shouldnt I be saying that to you?..... Your views are different from scripture.

Yahweh is a combination of two deities and aspects of others. Yahweh in Judaism is two gods. Yahweh in Christianity is 3.

Maybe to you personally, you feel that way. Fine, but don't try and impose it on others who will never change belief anyway.

outhouse · Aug 26, 2015

moorea944 said:
Yes there is. IT's in the bible.

Mythology is not reality, and scientifically creation is mythology.

outhouse · Aug 26, 2015

moorea944 said:
Your views are different from scripture.

You mean my views are different from your interpretation, and I have a deeper understanding due to the lack of bias I hold to any religious institution?

outhouse · Aug 26, 2015

moorea944 said:
Fine, but don't try and impose it on others who will never change belief anyway.

No.

Im sorry you don't like the truth, but I will promote academia on these topics.

This is not up for debate, it is what happened, it is part of the world you live in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah

Israelite monotheism evolved gradually out of pre-existing beliefs and practices of the ancient world.[76] The religion of the Israelites of Iron Age I, like the Canaanite faith from which it evolved[77] and other ancient Near Eastern religions, was based on a cult of ancestors and worship of family gods (the "gods of the fathers").[78] Its major deities were not numerous – El, Asherah, and Yahweh, with Baal as a fourth god, and perhaps Shamash (the sun) in the early period.[79] By the time of the early Hebrew kings, El and Yahweh had become fused and Asherah did not continue as a separate state cult

Now I hope you don't just lie to yourself because you cannot accept the truth here.

Yoshua · Aug 26, 2015

moorea944 said:
Yes, in that verse, in Greek, it is "theos". In Hebrew it is "Elohim". Thomas knows that Jesus is not God. Everyone knew that he was a man. "Theos" doesnt make Jesus God. "Making' Jesus God or a God, is wrong and totally degrades our Creator. There is only one God. Yahweh. Look at scripture. God is the God and Father of Jesus. God is the head (or leader) of Jesus. That's co-equal? Sorry, but I dont see it...

Hi Moorea,

So do you mean that the word “theos” means God?

Thanks

Yoshua · Aug 26, 2015

lostwanderingsoul said:
Yes, Yoshua, there is a Father and a Son. the Father has a spirit but it is not a separate "person". a man has a spirit but you do not say a man and his spirit make two "persons". God is made up of two "persons" not three in a trinity. when Harry Potter waves his magic wand and a tree falls down you do not say there were two persons involved . there was only one and he had a magic wand. you could say God's spirit is like a magic wand. He points his finger and something happens. it is not two persons. it is God and the power (spirit) that He has. so the Father and the Son are two persons and the power or spirit of the Father is not a third person. there is no trinity

Hi lost,

Matt. 3:16-17
16. And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove, and coming upon Him,
17. and behold, a voice (Father) out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."

How do you explain the existence of the Holy Spirit (Spirit of God) in this scenario? Do you see their existence?
There is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

Matt. 28:19
19. "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

Thanks

Can someone explain the Trinity please...

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