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URAVIP2ME

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JoStories said:
You are trying to fit the 'higher soul' into the corporeal body. Do you or do you not believe that you will live on after this life in heaven? Assuming you are Christian, you do believe that. The Soul. No Adam or Eve as that is purely allegorical and could not have given rise to humankind. Its genetically impossible.
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When Jesus resurrected people None of them went to heaven. Jesus resurrected people back to healthy life on earth.
God promised Abraham that through Isaac all nations of earth and all families of earth will be blessed.
Isaac would have to be alive on earth in order for Isaac to have children.
So, when God tested Abraham to sacrifice Isaac that was demonstrating Abraham's confidence in an earthly resurrection.
Where are the people of Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39 but still awaiting God's promise of Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Where is King David according to Acts of the Apostles 2:34 but still asleep in the grave and Not in heaven.
Where is Daniel but still waiting to be awakened from death's sleep - Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13

Mortal Adam did Not have a soul, Adam did Not posses a soul, rather Adam was a soul or living person.- Genesis 2:7
Adam ( humankind ) was originally offered everlasting life on earth. Live forever here on earth.
Earth was Not created to be a ' stepping stone ' to life elsewhere - Psalm 115:16
Where does the Bible teach a ' higher soul ' but rather: the soul that sins dies - Ezekiel 18:4; Ezekiel 18:20
Except for Noah and his family all the souls on earth died.
Mankind traces back to one of Noah's three sons. Then Noah back to Adam. 1 Chronicles 1:1; Luke 3:38

Jesus only opened up the way for some of his followers to join him in heaven - Luke 22:29-30; Revelation 20:6; Revelation 5:9-10
Those 'some ' are part of a first or earlier resurrection - Revelation 20:6 - that is a heavenly resurrection.
The majority of mankind will be brought back to healthy physical life on earth - John 3:13 - starting with Jesus' coming 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth. That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that ' there will be ' a resurrection....

To ' live on after death ' means that No resurrection would be necessary if a person was death proof.
Even Satan is Not death proof and he will be destroyed according to Hebrews 2:14 B.
So, at death we do Not live on, but as Jesus taught - John 11:11-14 - we sleep until resurrected to heavenly life for some, or resurrected back to future healthy physical life on earth with a sound heart, mind and body. - Revelation 22:2; Isaiah 25:8
 
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URAVIP2ME

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Koldo said:
I don't buy that. If it was simply 'to revere', why is the word 'fear' used so many times ?
It is not only a few translations that use it either. Nearly every translation in english uses the word 'fear' in Proverbs 1:7, for example.
Now if you mean that this 'fear' has the connotation of 'reverence', I can agree to that. That seems to be in line with what is written.
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In Scripture ( Bible speak ) there is proper fear and improper fear. Wholesome fear as to proceed with caution such as when crossing a dangerous area. So, when we ' fear God ' means we hate what is improper or bad - Proverbs 16:6

Jesus contrasted fear of God with fear of man. Wholesome fear of God - displeasing God - gives glory to God - Matthew 10:28
Paul connected Godly fear with being in awe of God - Hebrews 12:28
What did King Solomon conclude at Ecclesiastes 12:13 but our obligation to God is to keep His commandments.
Jesus summed up Godly fear for us at - John 13:34-35 - to have self-sacrificing love for others as Jesus did.
 
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JoStories

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URAVIP2ME said:
When Jesus resurrected people None of them went to heaven. Jesus resurrected people back to healthy life on earth.
God promised Abraham that through Isaac all nations of earth and all families of earth will be blessed.
Isaac would have to be alive on earth in order for Isaac to have children.
So, when God tested Abraham to sacrifice Isaac that was demonstrating Abraham's confidence in an earthly resurrection.
Where are the people of Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39 but still awaiting God's promise of Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Where is King David according to Acts of the Apostles 2:34 but still asleep in the grave and Not in heaven.
Where is Daniel but still waiting to be awakened from death's sleep - Daniel 12:2; Daniel 12:13

Mortal Adam did Not have a soul, Adam did Not posses a soul, rather Adam was a soul or living person.- Genesis 2:7
Adam ( humankind ) was originally offered everlasting life on earth. Live forever here on earth.
Earth was Not created to be a ' stepping stone ' to life elsewhere - Psalm 115:16
Where does the Bible teach a ' higher soul ' but rather: the soul that sins dies - Ezekiel 18:4; Ezekiel 18:20
Except for Noah and his family all the souls on earth died.
Mankind traces back to one of Noah's three sons. Then Noah back to Adam. 1 Chronicles 1:1; Luke 3:38

Jesus only opened up the way for some of his followers to join him in heaven - Luke 22:29-30; Revelation 20:6; Revelation 5:9-10
Those 'some ' are part of a first or earlier resurrection - Revelation 20:6 - that is a heavenly resurrection.
The majority of mankind will be brought back to healthy physical life on earth - John 3:13 - starting with Jesus' coming 1,000 year governmental rulership over earth. That is why the ' future tense ' is used at Acts of the Apostles 24:15 that ' there will be ' a resurrection....

To ' live on after death ' means that No resurrection would be necessary if a person was death proof.
Even Satan is Not death proof and he will be destroyed according to Hebrews 2:14 B.
So, at death we do Not live on, but as Jesus taught - John 11:11-14 - we sleep until resurrected to heavenly life for some, or resurrected back to future healthy physical life on earth with a sound heart, mind and body. - Revelation 22:2; Isaiah 25:8
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An argument can be made that the Bible does, in fact, support reincarnation. In Matthew, we find Jesus speaking about the reincarnation of Elijah. (Matt 11: 13-14, Matt 17: 10-13) Also in Malachi. (Malachi 4:5). Also in Luke,,,1:17. The list goes on. There is, of course, counter arguments that deny this however, this argument is far from new. Regarding the soul, I refer you to Matt 10:28. There are literally countless verses that refer to the immortality of the soul, I will list just a couple here. Ps 22: 29; Is 53: 10, 12. And many more.
 
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URAVIP2ME

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JoStories said:
An argument can be made that the Bible does, in fact, support reincarnation. In Matthew, we find Jesus speaking about the reincarnation of Elijah. (Matt 11: 13-14, Matt 17: 10-13) Also in Malachi. (Malachi 4:5). Also in Luke,,,1:17. The list goes on. There is, of course, counter arguments that deny this however, this argument is far from new. Regarding the soul, I refer you to Matt 10:28. There are literally countless verses that refer to the immortality of the soul, I will list just a couple here. Ps 22: 29; Is 53: 10, 12. And many more.
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Agree with Psalms 22:29 that No one can keep alive his own soul. As Ezekiel 18:4; Ezekiel 18:20 says: the soul that sins dies.
All will bow down to God and eat and worship when they are resurrected during Jesus' 1,000 years of ruling over Earth.
As far as Isaiah 53:10-12, the ' seed ' Jesus ( Genesis 3:15 ) can't be seen unless: resurrected.
Who resurrected ( Not reincarnated ) the dead Jesus out of hell according to Acts of the Apostles 2:31-32; Acts of the Apostles 3:15
Jesus poured out his ' soul unto death ' - Isaiah 53:12 - Not: poured out his soul unto life.

Doesn't Matthew 10:28 say to be in fear of him who can destroy both soul and body in Gehenna ?_________ ( KJV hell )
How does the destruction of the soul prove soul immortality ?
Who ends up ' destroyed forever ' according to Psalms 92:7 ?

Malachi 4:5-6 did foretell Elijah appearing before God's day.
Scripture says it was those first-century Jews who were in expectation of Elijah's coming to fulfill that prophecy.
Some Jews (scribes ) thought Jesus was Elijah - Matthew 16:14-16; Matthew 17:10
but Jesus taught it was John the Baptizer who did the ' work of Elijah '- Matthew 17:11-13.
Some mistakenly thought John the Baptizer was Elijah, but didn't John deny that ?______ - John 1:21
Didn't the angel tell John's father Zechariah that John would have Elijah's spirit and power, Not that John would be Elijah - Luke 1:17
Wasn't the Transfiguration a VISION according to Matthew 17:9 _______ So, No alive Elijah there either. Rather Elijah and Moses represented the prophets and the Law.
Didn't Elijah live before Jesus lived ? ______ What did Jesus say about those who died before him at John 3:13 ?
How does ascending up to heaven prove reincarnation?
Also, did any of those listed at Hebrews chapter 11 receive God's promise ? _______ Hebrews 11:13; Hebrews 11:39
God's promise to father Abraham as mentioned at Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
How can a person who receives 50% of his genes from one parent, and 50% of the rest of his genes from the other parent, prove reincarnation ? Population keeps on increasing and does Not stay stagnant.
 
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