We disagree. When I say failed experiments I am saying if natural selection is as mindless and without purpose as Richard Dawkins says, then there should have been billions of failed attempts to make eye balls, livers, lungs, wings, feathers, spleens, etc., etc., etc to the trillionth power.
Eye balls, just in humans:
"The genetics of inherited vision disorders — notably retinitis pigmentosa (RP) and age-related macular degeneration (AMD) — are an area of intense research. Numerous genes responsible for inherited retinopathies have been identified in the past ten years. At the time of writing, there are
at least 242 different genetic disorders, with 202 different genes identified according to the Retinal Information Network (
RetNet).
Retinal disorders exhibit an astonishing amount of genetic and phenotypic heterogeneity. M
utations in at least 23 different genes cause autosomal dominant RP, with nearly identical symptoms and disease course. The complexity works both ways: mutations in the ABCA4 gene can cause Stargardt’s disease, cone-rod dystrophy, or RP."
http://massgenomics.org/2013/07/genetics-of-blindness.html
Livers:
The two most common inherited
liver diseases are
hemochromatosis and alpha-1
antitrypsin deficiency.
Hemochromatosis
Hemochromatosis is a disease in which deposits of iron collect in the
liver and other organs. The primary form of this disease is one of the
most common inherited diseases in the U.S. -- up to one in every 200 people has the disease, many unknowingly. When one family member has this disorder, siblings, parents, and children are also at risk.
A secondary form of hemochromatosis is not genetic and is caused by other diseases, such as thalassemia,
a genetic blood disorder that causes
anemia.
The iron overload associated with hemochromatosis affects men more often than it does women. Because women lose
blood through
menstruation, women are unlikely to show signs of iron overload until after
menopause. Hemochromatosis is more common in people of Western European descent.
http://www.clevelandclinicmeded.com...nherited-metabolic-liver-diseases/Default.htm
Lungs:
Hereditary lung diseases can affect the airways (asthma, COPD, cystic fibrosis and primary ciliary dyskinesia), parenchyma (pulmonary fibrosis, Birt Hogg Dube syndrome and tuberous sclerosis) and vasculature (hereditary heamorrhagic telangiectasia) of the lung. Such conditions include simple monogenic disorders such as Kartagener syndrome and α1‐antitrypsin,
wherein mutations of critical genes are sufficient to induce well‐defined disease phenotypes.
http://www.els.net/WileyCDA/ElsArticle/refId-a0005517.html
I don't understand what constitutes a failed attempt to you.
Does immediate death and failure to reproduce not count as a failure? Or do you ignore things like Tay-Sachs disease?
"
Tay–Sachs disease (also known as
GM2 gangliosidosis or
hexosaminidase A deficiency) is a rare
autosomal recessive genetic disorder. In its most common variant (known as infantile Tay–Sachs disease), it causes a progressive deterioration of
nerve cells and of mental and physical abilities that begins around six months of age and usually results in death by the age of four.
Research in the late 20th century demonstrated that Tay–Sachs disease is caused by a
genetic mutation in the
HEXA gene on (human)
chromosome 15. A large number of
HEXA mutations have been discovered, and new ones are still being reported. These mutations reach significant frequencies in specific populations.
French Canadians of southeastern
Quebec have a
carrier frequency similar to that seen in Ashkenazi Jews, but carry a different mutation.
Cajuns of southern
Louisiana carry the same mutation that is seen most commonly in Ashkenazi Jews.
HEXA mutations are rare and are most seen in genetically isolated populations. Tay–Sachs can occur from the inheritance of either two similar, or two unrelated, causative mutations in the
HEXA gene."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay-sachs_disease
This is not demonstrated anywhere on that scale. A rare mutation does not prove anything close to what I am saying.
Right. And given the fact the overwhelming majority of the species dug out of the fossil record no longer exist for some reason. I guess none of that constitutes as a failure.
There is not even a fossil record showing a necessary progression of transitional fossils to get from various vertebrates to the next highest one. How many lizards should have been "in transition" to become flying birds? And yet all we see in text books is that one fabled road runner, archaeopteryx making his case. The fossil record is not your friend, imo.
Archaeopteryx? From like a hundred and fifty years ago?
"Moreover, fossils of more than twenty species of dinosaur have been collected with preserved feathers. There are even very small dinosaurs, such as
Microraptor and
Anchiornis, which have long,
vaned, arm and leg feathers forming wings. The Jurassic basal
avialan Pedopenna also shows these long foot feathers. Witmer (2009) has concluded that this evidence is sufficient to demonstrate that avian evolution went through a four-winged stage.
[2]
Fossil evidence also demonstrates that birds and dinosaurs shared features such as hollow,
pneumatized bones,
gastroliths in the
digestive system, nest-building and
brooding behaviors. The ground-breaking discovery of fossilized
Tyrannosaurus rex soft tissue allowed a molecular comparison of
cellular anatomy and
protein sequencing of
collagen tissue, both of which demonstrated that
T. rex and birds are more closely related to each other than either is to
Alligator.
[3] A second molecular study robustly supported the relationship of birds to dinosaurs, though it did not place birds within Theropoda, as expected. This study utilized eight additional collagen sequences extracted from a femur of
Brachylophosaurus canadensis, a
hadrosaur.
[4] A study comparing embryonic, juvenile and adult
archosaur skulls concluded that bird skulls are derived from those of
theropod dinosaurs by
progenesis, a type of paedomorphic
heterochrony, which resulted in retention of juvenile characteristics of their ancestors.
[5]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_birds
Everything should be in transition,
It is. You ever notice how your kids looking slightly different from you, and their kids will look slightly different from them, and their kids will look slightly different from them, all the way to the point until they all stop reproducing?
but it appears everything has totally stopped since man has been around to observe.
It is a common misconception that humans have stopped evolving and current genetic changes are purely
genetic drift. Although
selection pressure on some traits has decreased in modern human life (for instance, we are no longer evolving to survive smallpox), humans are still undergoing natural selection for many other traits (for instance, menopause is evolving to occur later).
[156]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_evolution
No, I cannot in any way accept what so many want to believe.
Guess you'll be limited to accepting what you want to believe.
The dinosaur was not a failed experiment, it was a fully formed species like anything else. Extinction is not what I am talking about.
Than what do you mean by a failed experiment? If I look at the fossil record, how would I know I'm looking at a "failed experiment" as opposed to a "successful" one?
I am asking how any mindless matter could decide "today is a good day to start growing a hyper-complex pancreas" when once there was none?
Right, you are asking a question about how mindless matter could decide one today to start growing into a pancreas, despite the fact that no one who has ever supported evolution has ever made the claim that a lifeless mass could decide one today to start growing into a pancreas. First of all, it's a mindless matter, how could it "decide" anything. Secondly, if you want to know about evolution of the pancreas, just ask.
"The pancreas is an organ containing two distinct populations of cells, the exocrine cells that secrete enzymes into the digestive tract, and the endocrine cells that secrete hormones into the bloodstream. It arises from the endoderm as a dorsal and a ventral bud which fuse together to form the single organ. Mammals, birds, reptiles and amphibians have a pancreas with similar histology and mode of development, while in some fish, the islet cells are segregated as Brockmann bodies. Invertebrates do not have a pancreas, but comparable endocrine cells may be found in the gut or the brain.
The early pancreatic bud shows uniform expression of the homeobox gene IPF-1 (also known as IDX-1, STF-1 or PDX), which when mutated to inactivity leads to total absence of the organ."
http://dev.biologists.org/content/121/6/1569.full.pdf
But lastly, I'd like to ask how any God could decide "today is a good day to start growing a hyper-complex universe?" How does a god do that I wonder. Does he just clap his hands, and from that all the molecules that can be observed just magically started popping into existence?