Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
I know right.
It's just an adult's version of being threatened with "time out" or being sent to your room: "if you don't do as I say, you'll end up in Hell".
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Everyone who hears of Jesus but does not accept Him is going to hell.
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It's just an adult's version of being threatened with "time out" or being sent to your room: "if you don't do as I say, you'll end up in Hell".
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe anyone less than God would be unacceptable.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe then that you are saying it would be acceptable to have someone less than God be in control of you.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe the Bible is vague about this but the Qu'ran says that ones rihteousness must outweigh ones unrighteousness and that might satisfy the notion of being found in life or not found in life since life can be a simile for righteousness. For the Chrstian accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior righteousness is imputed unless the person is just mouthing words and does not accept the reality.
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe Jesus is acceptable and I affirm the oneness of God.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Nah. Salvation is universal, because God is universal.
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
U worship Jesus as god?
True, the shed blood of Jesus covers ALL, but Not all will accept Jesus, thus Jesus' ransom covers MANY and Not all - Matthew 20:28
Since God will Not clear the guilty - Exodus 34:7 - there will be No universal salvation - Psalms 7:11-16
The common teaching in Christendom ( imitation Christians ) is that Jesus is God.
Scripture teaches that Jesus is the beginning of the creation by God - Revelation 1:5; Revelation 3:14 B
Only God was before the beginning - Psalms 90:2 - having No beginning.
Whereas God's heavenly Son ( Jesus) was Not before the beginning as God was before the beginning.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
I believe that God desires the reconciliation of all humanity. I further believe that God will eventually get what God wants. I believe that, when faced with the ultimate truth of God, no one will be able to refute it.
Wat_i.need
Member
I believe in God and i believe in his messengers (Jesus one of them).
Even if (as you say in your religion (Trinity) three but one God) Jesus is the son of God (in Christianity) , why worship the son of God ( "less than God" according to what you said) but not worshiping the God only" the Almighty " .
According to your religion, God SENT Jesus, then Jesus as a God he couldn't come to the world by himself but was "sent" to the world. So, if Jesus "at least" have the same power as God, then the chance to be worshiped would be higher. But he didn't have the ability to even create himself or to be in some where without the help of God.
then who is the most likably to be worshiped? the one who created Jesus and who sent him. or Jesus, the son ( as your religion claimed) who been created by God.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe in Jesus we do worship the God only etc.
I believe this is illogical. There is no way to reach this deduction from the premise without adding another premise.
I believe He is as powerful.
I believe this is an egg before the chicken type of thing. Something that does not exist can't create.
I believe both can be worshipped but Jehovah has elevated Jesus above in name even though they are the same God.
I believe it is not what God does that matters but what God wills that matters. Why would one question His wisdom in elevating Jesus?
Wat_i.need
Member
So, you are stating that there are two God's to be worshiped?
God is who created everything but Jesus who is one of the creations and who got birth of one mother is supposed to share God in divinity? Why? Did Jesus create any of the nature? Did he create the universe? Did he create even one human? Why does he suppose to share the divinity, when he was only one of the creations.
If he was God why don’t he create some by himself? And take his creations somewhere to worship him only?
Everything in this world proves that there is only one creator of everything. where does Jesus (as you claimed a God) parts come here? What did he do for the universe to worship him? Did he created a tree? Did he created you ?
I believe in one God (Allah) the one who created me. I believe in Prophets. I believe in Jesus Peace Be Upon Him as a messenger. And I believe in Moses Peace Be Upon Him as a messenger. And I believe in Mohammad Peace Be Upon Him as a messenger.
What proves that Jesus is a God? did he create the ones he brought from the death? Did he create the hearing and the eyesight?
I know that Jesus peace be upon him brought people from death. But it's all miracles that God gave to the chosen people and to the messengers. Every messenger have a miracles.
If Jesus God he can prevent them from killing him,why he didn't? and if he is really a God he will just bring himself from death.
If there is a God you can't stand but worship. Then worship the one who created you . deserve to be worshiped.
Yoshua
Well-Known Member
Jesus could have saved Himself, but He did not require to save Himself because it is God's plan to sent His Son to the cross of Calvary for the salvation of sin. Actually, instead of saving Himself, He resurrected and alive again.
John 3:16
16. For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son so that anyone who believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (plan of God)
Matt. 26:53-54
53. Don't you realize that I could ask my Father for thousands of angels to protect us, and he would send them instantly?
54. But if I did, how would the Scriptures be fulfilled that describe what is happening now?''
Thanks
Yoshua
Well-Known Member
Hi Wat,
God (Father) created everything (including human). Jesus is not his creation. Jesus is already with God in the beginning.
John 1:1-3
1. In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God, and the Word (Jesus) was God.
2. He was in the beginning with God (Father).
3. All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
John 1:14
14. And the Word(Jesus) became flesh, and dwelt (as human/divine) among us, and we beheld His glory, glory as of the only begotten (unique) from the Father, full of grace and truth.
He shared the divinity because it was His nature that He is divine.
Phil. 2:6-8
6. who, though he was God (Jesus), did not demand and cling to his rights (to be equal with God) as God,
7. but laid aside his mighty power and glory, taking the disguise (form) of a slave and becoming like men. Christ humbled himself
8. And he humbled himself even further, going so far as actually to die a criminal's death on a cross.
In evangelical Christianity, we believed that one God (Father) exists in three persons as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are distinct from each other and divine in nature.
There are a lot of basis or Scripture that Jesus is God. The first thing is--if He is not God, how come that He is the Saviour of our sins and offered eternal life?
Yes, absolutely. Jesus could have saved Himself, but He did not require to save Himself because it is God's plan to sent His Son to the cross of Calvary for the salvation of sin. Actually, instead of saving Himself, He resurrected and alive again.
John 3:16
16. For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son so that anyone who believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (plan of God)
Matt. 26:53-54
53. Don't you realize that I could ask my Father for thousands of angels to protect us, and he would send them instantly?
54. But if I did, how would the Scriptures be fulfilled that describe what is happening now?''
Thanks
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Yea, but lets face it, it wasn't a good idea, it achieved nothing lol.Jesus could have saved Himself, but He did not require to save Himself because it is God's plan to sent His Son to the cross of Calvary for the salvation of sin. Actually, instead of saving Himself, He resurrected and alive again.
John 3:16
16. For God loved the world so much that he gave his only Son so that anyone who believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (plan of God)
Matt. 26:53-54
53. Don't you realize that I could ask my Father for thousands of angels to protect us, and he would send them instantly?
54. But if I did, how would the Scriptures be fulfilled that describe what is happening now?''
Thanks
Yoshua
Well-Known Member
Nothing? Saving the soul of many is nothing? This is the work of God. What if a friend of yours saves you from drowning? Do you think your friend achieve nothing?
Thanks
Unification
Well-Known Member
There is blood within every physical body, that is universal. The guilty can do and "sin" as they please because of this resistance. All fall short and have transgressed complete purity. All are covered in a body of flesh and blood. Forgiveness and being forgiven are different.