Shadow, just so you know, the northeast is not too bad either. We are very accepting, at least around here and the wages are pretty good too. But having traveled as much as I have, the northwest is another great choice. I am not trans sugar but I am Bi and no one here gives a merde. Its just accepted, KWIM?? Food for thought...
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I believe Satan has brain washed most Christians/people.
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Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
I have to admit, Stephen King and the pictures my philosophy teacher (who just moved back there) has been posting on her facebook have made Maine seem very appealing.
Paranoid Android
Active Member
So you think I should forgive my grandfather for having raped me countless times? No. I don't think so. Move beyond the trauma, yes. Beyond an advocate for other survivors, you betcha. But forgive a lecherous creep? No. Do you think I should have forgiven the man who dumped his comatose wife at the ER with mold growing on bedsores that went beyond the bone or should I have reported his pathetic arse and sent the SOB to jail? I could recount this kind of story ad nauseum but I won't because they make me weep to this day. Forgive this type of person or crime? Never.[/QUOTE]
Yup. That's why I will never forgive Squares.
The Kingdom of God is Heaven on Earth now. Followers of Jesus (Christians) are supposed to demonstrate it. They don't, so no Devil is needed to be blamed.
Its beautiful here Shadow. The summer rarely has days over 90. The fall has all the wonderful colors. The spring, my favorite, is that special color of green that just lifts my spirits. Winter is my hardest season, despite having been skiing since I was 3. And of course, driving in all that bloody snow and ice!! But it truly is lovely here. The wages are good, although right now we have an idiot for governor. Best areas are around the Portland area or maybe Augusta or Bangor, depending on what you do. Those are the biggest cities. Others are MUCH smaller and Portland is only about the size of a rather large town. But I think you would love it here. King, btw, is kind of a *******. Arrogant and all that. We do have the Bushes who live here and of course, Patrick Dempsey (Mr. Hottie himself!), and Anna Kendrick...also lovely. Tons more including lobster at 4.99 a lb.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
With his coke use, that doesn't surprise me.
No, and that man that accidentally hit him about 2 decades ago in Fryeburg was harassed by King and his lawyers so much, he killed himself. King may write sort of well, as does his son (who is a better writer) but he is really an arse.
InChrist
Free4ever
So you think I should forgive my grandfather for having raped me countless times? No. I don't think so. Move beyond the trauma, yes. Beyond an advocate for other survivors, you betcha. But forgive a lecherous creep? No. Do you think I should have forgiven the man who dumped his comatose wife at the ER with mold growing on bedsores that went beyond the bone or should I have reported his pathetic arse and sent the SOB to jail? I could recount this kind of story ad nauseum but I won't because they make me weep to this day. Forgive this type of person or crime? Never.[/QUOTE]
I am truly sorry to hear what your grandfather did to you and how your childhood was stolen from you by his sinful, twisted lust;
I believe there is a vast difference between forgiveness and condoning the deplorable behaviors you mentioned above. They are not one and the same and crimes such as these should be reported and never tolerated. Yet, I see forgiveness differently. First, I will say that I think it is humanly impossible to forgive someone who has really hurt or harmed you. I think it is a work of God in one's heart and mind and because it is a supernatural work, it brings freedom from the bitterness and pain of the harmful event(s). For the Christian, this is the power of Christ living through us accomplishing such forgiveness.
I have a very close friend which I have known my entire life since our moms shared a hospital room when we were born. Neither of us were Christians while growing up, yet we both later were saved by Jesus. It was several years later that she shared how her father had sexually molested her throughout her childhood. She confronted him and brought it out in the open, she did not condone or ignore his wrong behavior, she did not ever trust him alone with her own children ...but she did forgive him.
I have another friend of of over fifteen years who had basically the same experience with her father.
I don't think forgiveness means sweeping awful things away as if they never occurred, not dealing with them in the appropriate way, or allowing the perpetrator to get off without facing consequences. I do think forgiveness has the powerful effect of setting the victim free from bitterness and hate and then of being a reality check to the one whose selfish, perverted behavior was so harmful and damaging to another, in these cases their own daughters. Both of these fathers came to the point of truly being broken and sorry, repenting of their sins and seeking forgiveness from their daughters and Jesus the Savior.
I am truly sorry to hear what your grandfather did to you and how your childhood was stolen from you by his sinful, twisted lust;
I believe there is a vast difference between forgiveness and condoning the deplorable behaviors you mentioned above. They are not one and the same and crimes such as these should be reported and never tolerated. Yet, I see forgiveness differently. First, I will say that I think it is humanly impossible to forgive someone who has really hurt or harmed you. I think it is a work of God in one's heart and mind and because it is a supernatural work, it brings freedom from the bitterness and pain of the harmful event(s). For the Christian, this is the power of Christ living through us accomplishing such forgiveness.
I have a very close friend which I have known my entire life since our moms shared a hospital room when we were born. Neither of us were Christians while growing up, yet we both later were saved by Jesus. It was several years later that she shared how her father had sexually molested her throughout her childhood. She confronted him and brought it out in the open, she did not condone or ignore his wrong behavior, she did not ever trust him alone with her own children ...but she did forgive him.
I have another friend of of over fifteen years who had basically the same experience with her father.
I don't think forgiveness means sweeping awful things away as if they never occurred, not dealing with them in the appropriate way, or allowing the perpetrator to get off without facing consequences. I do think forgiveness has the powerful effect of setting the victim free from bitterness and hate and then of being a reality check to the one whose selfish, perverted behavior was so harmful and damaging to another, in these cases their own daughters. Both of these fathers came to the point of truly being broken and sorry, repenting of their sins and seeking forgiveness from their daughters and Jesus the Savior.[/QUOTE]
I see things like this very differently from you. My childhood was not stolen. It was hard but it helped prepare me for when my daughter was raped. To be strong for her when she needed me the most. Forgiveness was never a part of the repair of our souls.
Muffled
Jesus in me
John 8:34 Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Every one that committeth sin is the bondservant of sin.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe I was like that myself before receiving Jesus. My mother was mystified that I as a good person needed to do that.
Mat. 7:26 And every one that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, who built his house upon the sand:
27 and the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and smote upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall thereof.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
That is a logical flaw: if everyone, including Christians, continue to sin, then how can they be freed from the bonds of sin? (Romans 6:18) However, they are still bound to God. And, of course, every tyrant always claims their subjects are better off under their rule of tyranny.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
But the Crusades were, somehow, different...
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe If a person continues to sin then Jesus is not really his Lord. I believe I am better off.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Everyone "continues to sin." Everyone. It's part of the human condition to exercise free will. That's why the church has Confession as a sacrament.
I am truly sorry to hear what your grandfather did to you and how your childhood was stolen from you by his sinful, twisted lust;
I believe there is a vast difference between forgiveness and condoning the deplorable behaviors you mentioned above. They are not one and the same and crimes such as these should be reported and never tolerated. Yet, I see forgiveness differently. First, I will say that I think it is humanly impossible to forgive someone who has really hurt or harmed you. I think it is a work of God in one's heart and mind and because it is a supernatural work, it brings freedom from the bitterness and pain of the harmful event(s). For the Christian, this is the power of Christ living through us accomplishing such forgiveness.
I have a very close friend which I have known my entire life since our moms shared a hospital room when we were born. Neither of us were Christians while growing up, yet we both later were saved by Jesus. It was several years later that she shared how her father had sexually molested her throughout her childhood. She confronted him and brought it out in the open, she did not condone or ignore his wrong behavior, she did not ever trust him alone with her own children ...but she did forgive him.
I have another friend of of over fifteen years who had basically the same experience with her father.
I don't think forgiveness means sweeping awful things away as if they never occurred, not dealing with them in the appropriate way, or allowing the perpetrator to get off without facing consequences. I do think forgiveness has the powerful effect of setting the victim free from bitterness and hate and then of being a reality check to the one whose selfish, perverted behavior was so harmful and damaging to another, in these cases their own daughters. Both of these fathers came to the point of truly being broken and sorry, repenting of their sins and seeking forgiveness from their daughters and Jesus the Savior.[/QUOTE]
Remember an important component in forgiveness.
Forgiveness isn't for the offender, it's for YOU!
It frees you from the bondage of the past and the acts of
that evil man.
Your forgiving him does nothing for HIM, but everything for you.
If he is still alive you need not, should not, associate with the creep
nor treat him other than the pedophile he is.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber
Show me such a person, and I will show you a liar.
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
"I haven't sinned since I met my wife, Morgan Fairchild, whom I've slept with." -- things a Habitual Liar might say
sojourner
Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
How so? God is as varied as the people who who perceive God.