It's all the same!

jeager106 · Aug 7, 2015

psychoslice said:
Because most religions teach you that their religion is the only religion, and the sheep follow.

Yes this^^^^, and it makes afraid through superstitious nonsense
people that are willing to explores other religions.
I well remember a fundamentalist uncle (a good man really) saying
ONLY the members of his tiny church was the "true" religion and
that most surely all others would burn in hell forever.
This otherwise fine man actually believed that, was a deacon &
lay preacher, church leader.
Sadly his education level was around the 6th grade as it was for many
born in the 1920's or earlier.

Theweirdtophat · Aug 7, 2015

Thorbjorn said:
We do have the concept of orlog and wyrd. Orlog is the basic set of universal laws. Wyrd is not unlike a blending of karma and dependent origination. Every action affects something, someone, somewhere. That connects us. But wyrd is not set in stone. It's like a tapestry in which threads can be removed, added, rewoven. That's because the Germanic concept of time is a. not linear, and b. there are only two states: the past and what is becoming. There is no present of future.

As Newton said,"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction." Karma is important. I know the idea of marriage when you become one as it says in other religions, you can tell because they feel like they're together all the time not because they live together but spiritually they feel connected, and if one loses the other, they feel like they lost a part of themselves. I believe we are all individual and distinct spirits and aren't automatically connected but we can connect with one another and unite. But I don't see us as aspects of a deity or everything is an illusion.

I know you mentioned God commanding Abraham to sacrifice Isaac. He didn't actually want Isaac to die and sent an angel to stop Abraham, although it was a very mean spirited way to get someone to be loyal to you and I guess that's what makes Abraham so special is that he'd kill his own son just to prove his loyalty? I feel like it's messed up even though Isaac wasn't actually hurt.

Than God sending his only son to be killed and later come to life. I'm confused as I thought Jesus was just a human avatar for God according to Trinitarians, so really the Romans killed God according to the scriptures and he got himself killed and came back to life. But it's debatable if Jesus was God or he was even sent at all really.

Baladas · Aug 7, 2015

Michael_W said:
[QUOTE="Baladas, post: 4394697, memberu]I have to disagree here...it is not all the same.
In fact, I would argue that we each have our own personalized "version" of our path.
Like the saying goes: "Many people, many paths".

I would agree that, fundamentally, we are all the same as humans but that is a different story.

How can you so boldly say it's not? You have already closed your mind to knowledge. We all should have our own path. However there are plenty of signs leading us to a "preferred" path if you will.

Because what do we know really? Not much! So I'll talk all the guidance I can get. From Vedas Bible Torah Qur'an Math books the tree outside the memories...

Every single thing we think about or see is clues.. if you want them to be.[/QUOTE]

You assume much about me, but know next to nothing about me.
I take wisdom from wherever it comes.

I have, and do, experience oneness.
I interpret it differently from you.

These are different ways of understanding mysteries.

Do not be so quick to pass judgements.
I endeavor to keep my mind wide open to wisdom and knowledge.

To judge too quickly is to close the mind.

Theweirdtophat · Aug 7, 2015

The only path people should follow is the right path. By that I mean the good, moral righteous path. The Church of the Universe simplified it to two rules.

1.Don't hurt others.
2 Don't hurt yourself.

If you follow those rules, you're on the right path regardless of what religion you follow.

rusra02 · Aug 7, 2015

Thorbjorn said:
And your God told Abraham to sacrifice his own son. Your God sent his own son to go get himself killed in a gruesome and horrific manner.

Please explain to me how my worship of Thor, Freyr, Freyja and company is harmful to me or society? And how can a god be 'false'? Acknowledging its existence makes it real.

God did not allow Abraham to sacrifice his son. Yes, God did send his Son to die as a perfect man, to provide the legal means to grant everlasting life to mankind. (Romans 5:21) Christ also proved by his obedience to death that Satan's claim that no one would serve God out of love until death was a slanderous lie.(Job 2:4)
Worship of false gods turns one away from the only true God. All of mankind, IMO, owes our Creator due honor and worship. (Psalm 83:18) If we worship someone or something that doesn't exist, we are worshipping a lie, are we not? Acknowledging that something false is true does not make it true. (Isaiah 41:23,24) Such false worship, I believe, is instigated by the father of the lie. (1 Corinthians 10:20, John 8:44)

Riverwolf · Aug 7, 2015

Michael_W said:
Just because you have so called moved on doesn't make you anymore right.

It's great that you think you have such a higher understanding. However just as soon as you believe you understand something better than someone you prove you don't.

It doesn't matter who's opinion is right in the end because they all were founded by the TRUTH. Any religious person will move ahead. Some just a little more than others. However we all prevail.

I never said I had "higher understanding". I have "different understanding."

Now I give you a challenge: apply what you just told me to your OP.

Michael_W said:
Yes I have this every time I meditate. I've been lost and had to convince myself I am a person again.

Very intense!

You mean lack of separation or wode?

Jainarayan · Aug 7, 2015

rusra02 said:
Worship of false gods turns one away from the only true God. All of mankind, IMO, owes our Creator due honor and worship.

That's only a belief and opinion, which I am tired of seeing trotted out by people as if it's provable fact. No one's beliefs are provable, not even mine; that's why they're called beliefs and faith. I find it offensive to be told that the gods and goddesses I honor, worship and love, and who have been good to me, are false or are demons and sent by the devil to deceive me. Give me some credit for having a few firing neurons in my head. Now, you'll forgive me if I seem a little perturbed and cranked about it, having just had the same sort of discussion with other Heathens of the "my way is the only right way and you're doing it wrong" school of thought.

Baladas · Aug 7, 2015

rusra02 said:
God did not allow Abraham to sacrifice his son. Yes, God did send his Son to die as a perfect man, to provide the legal means to grant everlasting life to mankind. (Romans 5:21) Christ also proved by his obedience to death that Satan's claim that no one would serve God out of love until death was a slanderous lie.(Job 2:4)
Worship of false gods turns one away from the only true God. All of mankind, IMO, owes our Creator due honor and worship. (Psalm 83:18) If we worship someone or something that doesn't exist, we are worshipping a lie, are we not? Acknowledging that something false is true does not make it true. (Isaiah 41:23,24) Such false worship, I believe, is instigated by the father of the lie. (1 Corinthians 10:20, John 8:44)

I definitely understand your position. It was once mine.
Why though should we base our lives around a series of books written by men, with only those same books as the basis?

Michael_W · Aug 7, 2015

Tumah said:
So basically
tl:dr;
"Everyone should become Hindu, since through it, one can incorporate all other religions and that's a positive thing."

No thanks.

No
Don't put words in my mouth. I am Hindu as well as Christian Muslim Jewish Buddhist Etc.. I am everything and everyone. So are you

Servant_of_the_One1 · Aug 7, 2015

Cool words.

Michael_W · Aug 7, 2015

Thorbjorn said:
We do have the concept of orlog and wyrd. Orlog is the basic set of universal laws. Wyrd is not unlike a blending of karma and dependent origination. Every action affects something, someone, somewhere. That connects us. But wyrd is not set in stone. It's like a tapestry in which threads can be removed, added, rewoven. That's because the Germanic concept of time is a. not linear, and b. there are only two states: the past and what is becoming. There is no present of future.

We are all ONE. I am everything and everyone at all times. I am me, I am you, I am the plant outside. We all have our bubbles of individualism when the bubble pops we are the same.

Quintessence · Aug 7, 2015

Theweirdtophat said:
We're all made of the same stuff, are we not? We all have souls. It's energy, something we all have. It doesn't have to mean that we are all just aspects of a higher God, but that we can all become connected and we're all capable of great amounts of love. That's what they mean by that.

I think @Thorbjorn pretty much captured any response I might have to this matter.

And even then, hydrogen atom A is not "the same" as hydrogen atom B.

Servant_of_the_One1 · Aug 7, 2015

Why cant we be friends?

Quintessence · Aug 7, 2015

Michael_W said:
I am Hindu as well as Christian Muslim Jewish Buddhist Etc.. I am everything and everyone. So are you

...

What?

Just so you know, with respect to how this forum is run, you will not have free reign to post in every single DIR on our website, and nor does any other member of this forum.

Michael_W · Aug 7, 2015

Quintessence said:
... What?

Just so you know, with respect to how this forum is run, you will not have free reign to post in every single DIR on our website, and nor does any other member of this forum.

Lol I am Hindu. That's a quote from Gandhi! Have less concern about where I post and more about God and Life

Why can't we all just get along

Jainarayan · Aug 7, 2015

Michael_W said:
I am you

Trust me, you don't want to be me.

Baladas · Aug 7, 2015

Michael_W said:
We are all ONE. I am everything and everyone at all times. I am me, I am you, I am the plant outside. We all have our bubbles of individualism when the bubble pops we are the same.

I understand what you are saying here, and I actually agree to an extent.
However, you have to know that not everyone is going to see things your way.

Not everyone is non-dualist.
Even among monists, there are differences of thought and opinion...and that's okay!

Variety is the spice of life!

Just ease back on the preaching a little, and I think we will all get along just fine.

Michael_W · Aug 7, 2015

Thorbjorn said:
Trust me, you don't want to be me.

I love you

I am you! For what ever reason you don't think I'd wanna be you. I would love to talk with you. We are one in the same!

Michael_W · Aug 7, 2015

Baladas said:
I understand what you are saying here, and I actually agree to an extent.
However, you have to know that not everyone is going to see things your way.

Not everyone is non-dualist.
Even among monists, there are differences of thought and opinion...and that's okay!

Variety is the spice of life!
Just ease back on the preaching a little, and I think we will all get along just fine.

Fair enough. I would like that a lot! Variety is indeed that!

psychoslice · Aug 7, 2015

jeager106 said:
Yes this^^^^, and it makes afraid through superstitious nonsense
people that are willing to explores other religions.
I well remember a fundamentalist uncle (a good man really) saying
ONLY the members of his tiny church was the "true" religion and
that most surely all others would burn in hell forever.
This otherwise fine man actually believed that, was a deacon &
lay preacher, church leader.
Sadly his education level was around the 6th grade as it was for many
born in the 1920's or earlier.

Yes it was the same in my church that I use to belong to, the Seventh Day Adventist, they never sort knowledge outside their church and beliefs.

It's all the same!

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