Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe this reveals that you don't know God very well. If He can pay such close attention to each hair on your head then He surely will not have a problem assisting you in interpretation.
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Everyone who hears of Jesus but does not accept Him is going to hell.
- Thread starter Desert Snake
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I believe this reveals that you don't know God very well. If He can pay such close attention to each hair on your head then He surely will not have a problem assisting you in interpretation.
I can't, in all honesty, say that you are wrong. You could well be right. Or I could, which I cannot say either of us can argue is correct on either point. I don't agree that its a game but you can believe that if you wish. I personally find the reference somewhat offensive but its what you think and that is fine. Have a nice day. Namaste
Which, IMO, makes that God a capricious monster. I am sorry if that offends you but the way you state this is nothing short of offensive to anyone with the temerity to believe differently than you. God will 'dispose' of people? You equate humans with garbage, literally. That is truly offensive.
Levite
Higher and Higher
Whereas I believe this reveals that you don't know God very well. I think He wants us to think and to participate in Torah with Him, to learn and to grow as beings, not just to be passive vessels for His will.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe your opinion is not a logical deduction from the facts given.
I believe I am willing to be offended. Are you willing to be reasonable?
I believe you will have to explain why you think so. It is not obvious to me.
I believe God can put you in a different position (good or bad) from the one you are in. That is what is meant by dispose.
I believe that meaning of dispose is fairly common but there was no intention of evoking it. I dispose of books that I buy by putting them on a shelf. If a book is beyond repair I throw it in the trash. However souls are not books that God wishes to extinguish in flames so the simile does not fit.
Maybe but I believe I am not regretting the disposal of Hitler, Saddam Hussein or bin Laden. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
There a lot of things to find offensive in different ideas about God.
There is no reason to assume, I don't think, that the idea of God we find least offensive is correct.
I suppose I find the idea of a game the least offensive. No one is really harmed.
I believe no one really knows anything about God. Folks just like to pretend otherwise.
I don't mean this in a judgmental way, I just find people find ways to convince themselves of their beliefs. And if it makes you happy there's no problem.
As long as we're not telling other folks what they "have" to believe to be happy.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe God wishes all to be in harmony with His will. Granted He will sometimes allow people to discover the correct path for themselves but He has no desire for a person to select an erroneous path and stick with it just because they like it better than God's path. Through Jesus, God has done just that: to make us passive observers of His will. I doubt He would have done it if it was not His will to do so.
Blastcat
Active Member
Now your claim is that you speak for god. You apparently don't know anything.. you are just a vehicle for god's information network. I will do you a favor and not ask you for any evidence of this quite astounding claim. I will do MYSELF a favor and not take the claim seriously.
Yes, your claim of god given knowledge is astounding. Your evidence for the claim is a bit less so.
IF the prophecies were as convincing as you claim there would be no atheists. Scientist would have been able to prove it to the rest of us non-believers. However, even GOD believing scientists can't do what you apparently can. The example that you give isn't of a prophecy that could prove a god. Most people already KNOW that eggs boil in water. We already know that people can come into a city by way of donkey .... and it's always amazingly easy for someone to take a prophecy.. make it happen .. and then claim that it has been "fulfilled". the people who wrote the NT knew all about the OT... They could read, they wanted people to believe that this Jesus was the fullfillment of prophecies so .. not too hard to claim that he did. DID HE HOWEVER?... just a bunch of claims... what of the other thousands of prophecies you are stunned by?... same as your eggs.. astoundingly trivial predictions that don't prove anything.
Some people, however, don't care to think critically about their beliefs.. Since you don't actually HAVE a convincing prophecy fulfillment., you mention eggs.. As if that could rescue your beliefs. Maybe fallacious thinking rescues it for YOU. But it wont convince other people as well.
If there is is good evidence, of course it leads to the truth. Bad evidence doesn't. Sorry.
I asked you for what assumptions I made and what logical errors I made. Apparently you are able to make a claim , but have no idea how to prove it. Saying that you BELIEVE something is true is not giving EVIDENCE that it is. So all the belief in the WORLD about my "assumptions and illogic" aren't going to ever serve as EVIDENCE for your insults.
If you claim that I have made an ASSUMPTION, please provide evidence for it.. or be prepared to NOT be convincing. .. a quote would help... some explanation more than "I believe" would help. As you can believe whatever you like for whatever reasons you chose.
But just because you happen to believe something does not make it true.
InChrist
Free4ever
I don't think it is quite as simple as you make it sound, but I do believe that Jesus is the only Savior so this means it is only through Him that anyone is saved from eternal separation from God' love and goodness, which results in the eternal suffering of living alone with one's sinful self forever.
Levite
Higher and Higher
I believe God wishes us to find our own way to harmony with His will, and that there are many ways to be in harmony with His will, not just one. And if God had no desire for us to be able to select an erroneous path and stick with it, He would not have created us with free will.
And, of course, I don't believe that God has done anything through Jesus whatsoever.
What facts? There are no facts when it comes to belief. The two are not synonymous at all. I am being reasonable, save for the fact that your repeated tendency to begin every sentence with "I believe" is annoying. What do I have to explain to you? you say you think God can put me in a difference position. I like the one I am in. I have a relationship with God. Who are you to tell me its wrong? And books thrown on a midden heap are trash. There's no other way to say that. And as for 'disposing" of Hitler, etc, you don't get to judge. Yes, they were rather unfortunate people but I leave the actions of God to God. Any other stance is arrogant.
I agree its not terribly offensive but it is nonetheless, offensive to a degree. But you could be correct and I am playing a game with myself. If that is the case, and you have never seen me proselytize here or push my faith, I am the only one 'harmed' by this game, non?
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Is acceptance include socalled "divinity"?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
That was the intention, yes. One could answer either way though, they just might want to specify about that.
Wat_i.need
Member
I voted " Yes" . I f you don't believe in Jesus " the messenger who god sent" to teach you about god, then you don't believe in god, which is an important issue. why would accept a religion but not accept the one who brought " that religion" to you?
Wat_i.need
Member
If believing in Jesus as a messenger then I voted yes.
But if it is Jesus as a god then I would vote NO.
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Loll then many christians would burn in hellfire too for rejecting "divinity" of Jesus pbuh.
Christians killed each other because of disagreement about Jesus pbuh.
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
The OP doesn't specify. I would vote a default yes, to the question, personally. I guess you could also vote no? So, that's up the person, I suppose; the answer is sort of yes and no, depending on context.
Aquitaine
Well-Known Member
No.