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The Feast Of Tabernacles

JesusBeliever

Active Member
Who is expecting the fulfilment of the Feast Of Tabernacles in the very near future?

For those who don't know, The Feast Of Tabernacles is associated with the Latter Rain of the Holy Spirit. Pentecost was the Former Rain of the Holy Spirit. Or as the Apostle Paul puts it in 2 Co 1:22 the "earnest of the Spirit".

The Former and Latter Rains are references to the 2 rainy seasons we all experience each year. God chose to use these 2 rainy seasons as Metaphors for the 2 outpourings of the Holy Spirit. And He promises to give His people both in the Book of Joel.
[VERSE=Joel 2:23-32,ASV][VERSENUM]23[/VERSENUM] Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in Jehovah your God; for he giveth you the former rain in just measure, and he causeth to come down for you the rain, the former rain and the latter rain, in the first [month].

[VERSENUM]24[/VERSENUM] And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with new wine and oil.

[VERSENUM]25[/VERSENUM] And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the canker-worm, and the caterpillar, and the palmer-worm, my great army which I sent among you.

[VERSENUM]26[/VERSENUM] And ye shall eat in plenty and be satisfied, and shall praise the name of Jehovah your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you; and my people shall never be put to shame.

[VERSENUM]27[/VERSENUM] And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am Jehovah your God, and there is none else; and my people shall never be put to shame.

[VERSENUM]28[/VERSENUM] And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: [VERSENUM]29[/VERSENUM] and also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my Spirit.

[VERSENUM]30[/VERSENUM] And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

[VERSENUM]31[/VERSENUM] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of Jehovah cometh.

[VERSENUM]32[/VERSENUM] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered; for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those that escape, as Jehovah hath said, and among the remnant those whom Jehovah doth call.[/VERSE]
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
Who is expecting the fulfilment of the Feast Of Tabernacles in the very near future?

For those who don't know, The Feast Of Tabernacles is associated with the Latter Rain of the Holy Spirit. Pentecost was the Former Rain of the Holy Spirit. Or as the Apostle Paul puts it in 2 Co 1:22 the "earnest of the Spirit".

The Former and Latter Rains are references to the 2 rainy seasons we all experience each year. God chose to use these 2 rainy seasons as Metaphors for the 2 outpourings of the Holy Spirit. And He promises to give His people both in the Book of Joel.
[VERSE=Joel 2:23-32,ASV][VERSENUM]23[/VERSENUM] Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in Jehovah your God; for he giveth you the former rain in just measure, and he causeth to come down for you the rain, the former rain and the latter rain, in the first [month].

[VERSENUM]24[/VERSENUM] And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with new wine and oil.

[VERSENUM]25[/VERSENUM] And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the canker-worm, and the caterpillar, and the palmer-worm, my great army which I sent among you.

[VERSENUM]26[/VERSENUM] And ye shall eat in plenty and be satisfied, and shall praise the name of Jehovah your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you; and my people shall never be put to shame.

[VERSENUM]27[/VERSENUM] And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am Jehovah your God, and there is none else; and my people shall never be put to shame.

[VERSENUM]28[/VERSENUM] And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: [VERSENUM]29[/VERSENUM] and also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my Spirit.

[VERSENUM]30[/VERSENUM] And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

[VERSENUM]31[/VERSENUM] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of Jehovah cometh.

[VERSENUM]32[/VERSENUM] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered; for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those that escape, as Jehovah hath said, and among the remnant those whom Jehovah doth call.[/VERSE]

"Feast of Tabernacles" is just a bad translation for the holiday of Sukkot. I fully expect the fulfillment of the holiday of Sukkot, since we celebrate it every year, a few days after Yom Kippur. This year it falls in October. I will be fulfilling it then.

Former and latter rains are also bad translations, for yoreh and malkosh, the gentler and the heavier rains of spring and summer, which we think about since Sukkot is a harvest holiday, and at the end of it comes the holiday of Shmini Atzeret (the Festival of Ceasing), when we pray for rain.

The prophetic vision you describe doesn't actually have anything to do with Sukkot.
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
Former and latter rains are also bad translations, for yoreh and malkosh, the gentler and the heavier rains of spring and summer, which we think about since Sukkot is a harvest holiday, and at the end of it comes the holiday of Shmini Atzeret (the Festival of Ceasing), when we pray for rain.
Hi there,

Gentler and Heavier rains of Spring and Summer! That's cool, thanks for sharing that.
Sukkot, yes that's right! This may also be a bad translation but the Bible also refers to it as the Feast of Booths and Succoth.

I had to look up the Shmini Atzeret (the Festival of Ceasing) because I've never heard of this before, and it was as I suspected - the 8th Day of Sukkot.

As you may already be aware, Christians believe that these Feasts are prophetic of what God promised He would do under a New Covenant with Israel as spoken of in Jeremiah 31:33-34. Shmini Atzeret is referenced in the Gospel of John, as "the Last Day, that Great Day Of The Feast" in which Jesus is recorded as saying:

[VERSE=John 7:37-39,ASV][VERSENUM]37[/VERSENUM] Now on the last day, the great [day] of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me and drink.

[VERSENUM]38[/VERSENUM] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, from within him shall flow rivers of living water.

[VERSENUM]39[/VERSENUM] But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believed on him were to receive: for the Spirit was not yet [given]; because Jesus was not yet glorified.[/VERSE]

So I find it interesting that it is when you pray for rain, because the Prophet Isaiah 32:15 also links the outpouring of the Spirit with rain and fruitfulness. In very recent times I have felt encouraged to pray for this Rain of the Spirit, which is why I started this thread. To see if other's have also felt encouraged to do the same. Whether this urge is of God or not only time will tell, but I'm definitely hopeful that this year might possibly be a very special year!

Kind Regards
 

Levite

Higher and Higher
Hi there,

Gentler and Heavier rains of Spring and Summer! That's cool, thanks for sharing that.
Sukkot, yes that's right! This may also be a bad translation but the Bible also refers to it as the Feast of Booths and Succoth.

I had to look up the Shmini Atzeret (the Festival of Ceasing) because I've never heard of this before, and it was as I suspected - the 8th Day of Sukkot.

As you may already be aware, Christians believe that these Feasts are prophetic of what God promised He would do under a New Covenant with Israel as spoken of in Jeremiah 31:33-34. Shmini Atzeret is referenced in the Gospel of John, as "the Last Day, that Great Day Of The Feast" in which Jesus is recorded as saying:

[VERSE=John 7:37-39,ASV][VERSENUM]37[/VERSENUM] Now on the last day, the great [day] of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me and drink.

[VERSENUM]38[/VERSENUM] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, from within him shall flow rivers of living water.

[VERSENUM]39[/VERSENUM] But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believed on him were to receive: for the Spirit was not yet [given]; because Jesus was not yet glorified.[/VERSE]

So I find it interesting that it is when you pray for rain, because the Prophet Isaiah 32:15 also links the outpouring of the Spirit with rain and fruitfulness. In very recent times I have felt encouraged to pray for this Rain of the Spirit, which is why I started this thread. To see if other's have also felt encouraged to do the same. Whether this urge is of God or not only time will tell, but I'm definitely hopeful that this year might possibly be a very special year!

Kind Regards

I was actually unaware that that specific incident in John was relied upon so heavily in Christian theology. I find that interesting, since the verse that Jesus is playing with, Isaiah 55:1 ("Hey, anyone thirsting, come and drink...!"), is used in the Talmud as a proof text for why water in Tanach (the Hebrew scriptures) is always also a symbol for Torah. It makes me think all the more that Jesus must have originated in Pharisaic training, because that midrashic move would only be done by a Pharisee and appreciated by a Pharisaic audience. The linking of "Spirit" to rain that you mention is surely a Christian evolution of the Rabbis' recognizing water as a symbol for Torah. I never would have known this, thank you.

Of course, the verses you mention in Jeremiah we interpret quite differently, but still...very interesting.
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
Why wait? God's reign is at hand. His Spirit is poured out continually.
Yes I agree, and would say I've experienced this out-pouring of the Spirit under Pentecost. But what I'm not afraid to admit to my brethren as I have also acknowledged to the Lord is that I see I am still lacking. Lacking because the Scripture tells me that these signs will follow "them that believe"
[VERSE=Mark 16:17-18,ASV][VERSENUM]17[/VERSENUM] And these signs shall accompany them that believe: in my name shall they cast out demons; they shall speak with new tongues; [VERSENUM]18[/VERSENUM] they shall take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall in no wise hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.[/VERSE]

And although I can say that I've personally witnessed miracles in my own life, I can see that it falls far short of the signs that followed the early believers in Scripture. I used to think that these signs were not necessary but in the end I had to admit to the Lord that I was using circular reasoning to reassure myself of what I could clearly see I lacked. 'I don't see these signs follow me therefore we must not need them as believers!' But Scripture has revealed to me that they are not only necessary but vitally important, especially if we're desirous to reach others for Christ. We rely on the Lord to testify to our testimony of Him, so that like the Apostle Paul said to the believers in Corinth:

[VERSE=1 Corinthians 2:4-5,ASV][VERSENUM]4[/VERSENUM] And my speech and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: [VERSENUM]5[/VERSENUM] that your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.[/VERSE]
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
I was actually unaware that that specific incident in John was relied upon so heavily in Christian theology.
I am not formally trained in any form of Christian Theology, that is unless you regard studying the Bible independently for many years "formal training"? The things I share are what stick out to me in the Biblical text but whether any of my brethren regard them as I do is another matter and yet to be seen.

I find that interesting, since the verse that Jesus is playing with, Isaiah 55:1 ("Hey, anyone thirsting, come and drink...!"), is used in the Talmud as a proof text for why water in Tanach (the Hebrew scriptures) is always also a symbol for Torah. It makes me think all the more that Jesus must have originated in Pharisaic training, because that midrashic move would only be done by a Pharisee and appreciated by a Pharisaic audience. The linking of "Spirit" to rain that you mention is surely a Christian evolution of the Rabbis' recognizing water as a symbol for Torah. I never would have known this, thank you.
That is interesting indeed. The Torah (aka Law), The Water & The Spirit. Jesus said He came to fulfil the Law and the Prophets (Matthew 5:17) and He taught His followers that the Law could be summed up in Mark 12:29-31. And He refined it even more in Matthew 7:12. The Apostle John explaining this refinement in 1 John 4:20.

By faith, Christians believe Jesus fulfilled the Law but admittedly I'd have to say we don't fully understand how He fulfilled the Law exactly. The New Testament gives us many hints to interpreting and understanding how He fulfilled the Law but it doesn't tell us everything. For example, we know that Jesus was the Passover Lamb, and Pentecost was the giving of the Holy Spirit but what the Feast of Sukkot represents, is yet to be seen in my opinion. I say this because there's a verse in the New Testament (1 Corinthians 15:52) that seems to speak of the Feast of Trumpets (I could be wrong?) and I know that this occurs before the Feast of Sukkot. We're told that all these Feasts are shadows (prophetic) of good things to come so I see great benefit in understanding more about them.
 

Sleeppy

Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
And these signs will accompany them that believe: in my name shall they cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues, they will take up serpents, and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall in no wise hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.

These are natural to the son of man: to baptize one another, and to wash one another in humility, with righteousness. And so we're learning languages intending to reach one another. We're exposing those who produce unrighteousness. And, in the midst of consuming the uncleanliness of the world, we survive. We survive, and certainly all of us heal, often without even a touch. The son of man follows his Father's power, to overcome death by passing through it.

If you have believed the truth, you have it.
 

Unification

Well-Known Member
Who is expecting the fulfilment of the Feast Of Tabernacles in the very near future?

For those who don't know, The Feast Of Tabernacles is associated with the Latter Rain of the Holy Spirit. Pentecost was the Former Rain of the Holy Spirit. Or as the Apostle Paul puts it in 2 Co 1:22 the "earnest of the Spirit".

The Former and Latter Rains are references to the 2 rainy seasons we all experience each year. God chose to use these 2 rainy seasons as Metaphors for the 2 outpourings of the Holy Spirit. And He promises to give His people both in the Book of Joel.
[VERSE=Joel 2:23-32,ASV][VERSENUM]23[/VERSENUM] Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in Jehovah your God; for he giveth you the former rain in just measure, and he causeth to come down for you the rain, the former rain and the latter rain, in the first [month].

[VERSENUM]24[/VERSENUM] And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with new wine and oil.

[VERSENUM]25[/VERSENUM] And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the canker-worm, and the caterpillar, and the palmer-worm, my great army which I sent among you.

[VERSENUM]26[/VERSENUM] And ye shall eat in plenty and be satisfied, and shall praise the name of Jehovah your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you; and my people shall never be put to shame.

[VERSENUM]27[/VERSENUM] And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am Jehovah your God, and there is none else; and my people shall never be put to shame.

[VERSENUM]28[/VERSENUM] And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: [VERSENUM]29[/VERSENUM] and also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my Spirit.

[VERSENUM]30[/VERSENUM] And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

[VERSENUM]31[/VERSENUM] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of Jehovah cometh.

[VERSENUM]32[/VERSENUM] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered; for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those that escape, as Jehovah hath said, and among the remnant those whom Jehovah doth call.[/VERSE]

Israel is the conscious brain of God with the 12 cranial nerves surrounding. Blood flow and energy flowing up and down through the body and brain. Heaven, earth, sun, moon are all internal as well.. The right and left hemispheres of brain. New wine(truth) and oil(spirit). "God" dwells in the temple (brain/mind). Eating is not literal food, but the brain and mind fed with truth, wisdom, knowledge, love, peace, rest and all the impure minds of liars that conditioned one will be ridden of. Satisfied as in content and at peace and rest of mind. It's really just raining manna(sugar) from heaven(the brain).
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
We survive, and certainly all of us heal, often without even a touch. The son of man follows his Father's power, to overcome death by passing through it.

If you have believed the truth, you have it.
Yes, I finally think I'm starting to comprehend the truth of these words:

[VERSE="KJV"]
1Co 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.[/VERSE]

Thanks for sharing!
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
I have not heard of that association, but the Feast of Tabernacles foreshadows the eventual paradise of the kingdom of God on earth.
A tenth of all one's increase is saved and then used during the feast (which includes the "Last Great Day"). It's a bit like a mini paradise.

It is still kept today -and not only by Jews. Some who believe in Christ also believe that the seventh day sabbath and biblical holy days should still be observed -and do so -just as Christ, the apostles and New Testament church did, by the way.

In the kingdom of God on earth, all nations will go up to Jerusalem to keep the Feast of Tabernacles -or they will receive no rain.


Zechariah 14:16And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles. 17And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. 18And if the family of Egypt go not up, and come not, that have no rain; there shall be the plague, wherewith the LORD will smite the heathen that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles. 19This shall be the punishment of Egypt, and the punishment of all nations that come not up to keep the feast of tabernacles.

I'm not sure what you are expecting, specifically, but the following is happening all over the world (as is much confusion and deception, also)....

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams

Notice that which precedes what you quoted from Joel 2
It is part of the "great and terrible day of the Lord" which precedes the setting up of God's kingdom on earth.


1Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
.........................
10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
11And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he isstrong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?

It is around the same time as the following.....

Zechariah 14:1Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

6And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark: 7But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.

8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.

9And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one

And......

Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
 
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JesusBeliever

Active Member
We survive, and certainly all of us heal, often without even a touch...
Hello again,

These words have revisited me a few times since I read them and it got me thinking about how true this is. So often we can focus on the visible healing that is needed but forget the invisible. The healing of the brokenhearted and crushed in spirit, that like you said, can be healed "often without even a touch". Though no one may see it, the heart that receives it can and rejoices. I wonder if this is the healing that the Lord regards of upmost importance. Though physical healing helps no doubt, how sad it is if the body is healed, while the heart and spirit remain broken! I'm reminded of what Jesus said:

[VERSE="Luk 4:18-23, KJV"] 18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. 20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. 22 And all bare him witness, and wondered at the gracious words which proceeded out of his mouth. And they said, Is not this Joseph's son? 23 And he said unto them, Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.[/VERSE]

 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
Israel is the conscious brain of God with the 12 cranial nerves surrounding. Blood flow and energy flowing up and down through the body and brain. Heaven, earth, sun, moon are all internal as well.. The right and left hemispheres of brain. New wine(truth) and oil(spirit). "God" dwells in the temple (brain/mind). Eating is not literal food, but the brain and mind fed with truth, wisdom, knowledge, love, peace, rest and all the impure minds of liars that conditioned one will be ridden of. Satisfied as in content and at peace and rest of mind. It's really just raining manna(sugar) from heaven(the brain).
Hi there,

I think there's a lot of truth to this kind of interpretation of Scripture although we might interpret things very differently. My only stipulation personally would be as long as it's not at the expense of Jesus Christ and His death on the Cross to save us from our sins.

A study of the HEART in Scripture turns up interesting results, especially in light of recent discoveries in science about the Heart.

Here's an interesting article about that called:
Let Your Heart Talk To Your Brain.
And a video called:
Mysteries Of The Heart
 

JesusBeliever

Active Member
Notice that which precedes what you quoted from Joel 2
It is part of the "great and terrible day of the Lord" which precedes the setting up of God's kingdom on earth.


1Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
2A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.
3A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.
.........................
10The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:
11And the LORD shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he isstrong that executeth his word: for the day of the LORD is great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
Hi there, it is the proceeding verses in this chapter that I've felt encouraged by the Lord to pray for:
[VERSE="Joel 2:12-19, KJV"]Joe 2:12-17 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. 14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God? 15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: 16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. 17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?[/VERSE]
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
Hi there, it is the proceeding verses in this chapter that I've felt encouraged by the Lord to pray for:
[VERSE="Joel 2:12-19, KJV"]Joe 2:12-17 Therefore also now, saith the LORD, turn ye even to me with all your heart, and with fasting, and with weeping, and with mourning: 13 And rend your heart, and not your garments, and turn unto the LORD your God: for he is gracious and merciful, slow to anger, and of great kindness, and repenteth him of the evil. 14 Who knoweth if he will return and repent, and leave a blessing behind him; even a meat offering and a drink offering unto the LORD your God? 15 Blow the trumpet in Zion, sanctify a fast, call a solemn assembly: 16 Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet. 17 Let the priests, the ministers of the LORD, weep between the porch and the altar, and let them say, Spare thy people, O LORD, and give not thine heritage to reproach, that the heathen should rule over them: wherefore should they say among the people, Where is their God?[/VERSE]


The kingdoms of the world will become the kingdom of God, but I hope the tradition is as peaceful as can be. If we all obeyed God and loved each other it would already be his kingdom in a sense, but his presence will be good for all.
 

Etritonakin

Well-Known Member
The kingdoms of the world will become the kingdom of God, but I hope the tradition is as peaceful as can be. If we all obeyed God and loved each other it would already be his kingdom in a sense, but his presence will be good for all.

I should point out -lest anyone think I am a bad man -that the transition of the kingdoms of the world to the kingdom of God is not the business of any man, except that they act as a citizen of his kingdom by keeping the commandments, visiting the widow and fatherless in their affliction, etc.

2Ti 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
2Ti 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
2Ti 2:5 And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

That is not saying we should war for God -but that we should stay out of the affairs of the world. It is good to act on behalf of people, but not against people.

God does not seek to destroy the world, the world is destroying itself by its ways.
He will prevent our complete destruction in no uncertain terms, but we can prevent our own destruction by doing things correctly.

Everyone is in a frenzy -reacting in all of the wrong ways thinking it will be of some benefit -trying to solve problems in ways which make them worse -when simply doing things right and making society and everything else work as it should (rather than creating problems as an excuse for desperate final solutions -rather than making the innocent, widow and fatherless assets to be manipulated for strategic advantage -warring on the backs of those which should be protected -allying with the evil people who also take advantage and destroy their people [amongst whom the enemy also hides]) would bring the strength and security they should desire.

2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

Isa 10:1 Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness which they have prescribed;
Isa 10:2 To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless!
Isa 10:3 And what will ye do in the day of visitation, and in the desolation which shall come from far? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory?
Isa 10:4 Without me they shall bow down under the prisoners, and they shall fall under the slain. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

Isa 30:15 For thus saith the Lord GOD, the Holy One of Israel; In returning and rest shall ye be saved; in quietness and in confidence shall be your strength: and ye would not.

Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves
 
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2ndpillar

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Who is expecting the fulfilment of the Feast Of Tabernacles in the very near future?

For those who don't know, The Feast Of Tabernacles is associated with the Latter Rain of the Holy Spirit. Pentecost was the Former Rain of the Holy Spirit. Or as the Apostle Paul puts it in 2 Co 1:22 the "earnest of the Spirit".

The Former and Latter Rains are references to the 2 rainy seasons we all experience each year. God chose to use these 2 rainy seasons as Metaphors for the 2 outpourings of the Holy Spirit. And He promises to give His people both in the Book of Joel.
[VERSE=Joel 2:23-32,ASV][VERSENUM]23[/VERSENUM] Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in Jehovah your God; for he giveth you the former rain in just measure, and he causeth to come down for you the rain, the former rain and the latter rain, in the first [month].

[VERSENUM]24[/VERSENUM] And the floors shall be full of wheat, and the vats shall overflow with new wine and oil.

[VERSENUM]25[/VERSENUM] And I will restore to you the years that the locust hath eaten, the canker-worm, and the caterpillar, and the palmer-worm, my great army which I sent among you.

[VERSENUM]26[/VERSENUM] And ye shall eat in plenty and be satisfied, and shall praise the name of Jehovah your God, that hath dealt wondrously with you; and my people shall never be put to shame.

[VERSENUM]27[/VERSENUM] And ye shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am Jehovah your God, and there is none else; and my people shall never be put to shame.

[VERSENUM]28[/VERSENUM] And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: [VERSENUM]29[/VERSENUM] and also upon the servants and upon the handmaids in those days will I pour out my Spirit.

[VERSENUM]30[/VERSENUM] And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth: blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke.

[VERSENUM]31[/VERSENUM] The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of Jehovah cometh.

[VERSENUM]32[/VERSENUM] And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered; for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be those that escape, as Jehovah hath said, and among the remnant those whom Jehovah doth call.[/VERSE]

Dear JB,
Actually the feast of Tabernacles, also referred to the "feast of Booths", is with respect a week in which the Israelites were to stay in temporary shelters. That period this year would be starting the 27th of September. As for the "false prophet" Paul's supposed 2 Cor sayings, they are about as relevant as anything else the self professed apostle has to say. With respect to the feast, and to who will heed that feast, it will be "all the nations" (Zech 14:16-21), once the "king of hosts" establishes rule in Jerusalem. As for the church of Babylon, which follows the two shepherds of Zechariah 11, Peter (the worthless shepherd), and Paul, known as "Favor", for his false gospel of grace, they will inevitably drink from the cup of God's wrath (Rev 18:4).
 
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