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Watchtower Governing Body: Are They The Exclusive Channel For God??

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Wharton

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kjw47 said:
Try listening to Jesus--John 20:17, Rev 3:12-- either Jesus is right--or God has a God.
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Best you ask the GB why Jesus makes the distinction between My Father and Your Father and My God and Your God because obviously you don't understand it-even when I've posted the reason why he stated those words.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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djhwoodwerks said:
Let me ask you this, who is the Word in John 1:1?
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The word is Jesus, and trinity translations are erred --a small g goes in the last line--The only word in greek for God-god = Theos. It said--(HO) Theos in the second line but not in the last line. (Ho)Theos=means- the God--Theos means--god. It did not call the Word-The God.
And as well its an impossibility for God( Word) to be with God( with another God(HS) over there.)--that makes more than 1 God.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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james2ko said:
So because of your ignorance of the doctrines of your own sect, you want me to spend my valuable time scouring their site for an answer?? No thanks.
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I see Pegg had already answered you--I would give you the same answer.
Then if you wont look it up for yourself, you obviously do not care to have the answer, so why bother asking.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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djhwoodwerks said:
John 17:6 (ESVST) 6 "I have manifested your name to the people whom you gave me out of the world. Yours they were, and you gave them to me, and they have kept your word.

John 17:25-26 (ESVST) 26 I made known to them your name, and I will continue to make it known, that the love with which you have loved me may be in them, and I in them."

Hmmm, I don't see "Jehovah" in those 2 verses.
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Those in the light can.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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averageJOE said:
"However, the prophet who presumes to speak in my name a word that I have not commanded him to speak or who speaks in the name of other gods, that prophet must die. And in case you should say in your heart: "How shall we know the word that Jehovah has not spoken?" when the prophet speaks in the name of Jehovah and the word does not occur or come true, that is the word that Jehovah did not speak. With presumptuousness the prophet spoke it."Deuteronomy 18:20-22

Oh well...as long as they continue to "correct" themselves, right?
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They aren't prophets.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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Wharton said:
Best you ask the GB why Jesus makes the distinction between My Father and Your Father and My God and Your God because obviously you don't understand it-even when I've posted the reason why he stated those words.
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Then explain to everyone how God has a God with another God( HS) over there--yet 1 God
 
kjw47

kjw47

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Wharton said:
Which one's are they? Obviously, they can't read scripture when Jesus is making an obvious distinction between himself and humanity.
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Paul--2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6,1Cor 15:24-28--1Peter 1:3--John at Rev 1:6-- all 100% in agreement-- Jesus has a God-his Father.
 
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Wharton

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kjw47 said:
Paul--2Cor 1:3, 1Cor 8:6,1Cor 15:24-28--1Peter 1:3--John at Rev 1:6-- all 100% in agreement-- Jesus has a God-his Father.
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The same as you have a human as your father. Are you less human than your father?

See, that was easy. Even the GB should be able to come to the same conclusion but they can't as they are "millstoned" to the theology of Russell and Rutherford.
 
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Mountain_Climber

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katiemygirl said:
Rather than run off for three days, how about being courteous and answer the questions, and then follow through with followups? That's how debate works. Both sides andwers are considered, not just one side.

If YOU are going to post your opinions here, then have the courtesy to address people's posts in a timely manner, and don't ask anyone to go to your JW website for answers.
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:) Leaves me speechless. :)

katiemygirl said:
Oh really?

The answers to my three questions are not on the JW.org website.

Where in Scripture does it say that Jesus' mediatorship is extended outward from the 144,000 anointed to the great crowd.

Where in Scripture does it say the New Covenant is between God and the 144,000 anointed ONLY?

Where in Scripture does it say that only the 144,000 are in heaven?

BOOK, CHAPTER, VERSE --- PLEASE!
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Question One: "Where in Scripture does it say that Jesus' mediatorship is extended outward from the 144,000 anointed to the great crowd."

Answer: Actually the scriptures speak of that at Matthew 5:13-16 as well as a few other places. It is to the born again members of the 144,000 that the words of Jesus at John 7:38 apply, "He that believes on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water." This is why, "Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13

Indeed at Revelation 7:17, the "living fountains of waters" are the 144,000 who have that life giving water flowing from their bellies just as Jesus spoke concerning at John 7:38.


Question: "Where in Scripture does it say the New Covenant is between God and the 144,000 anointed ONLY?"

Answer:
Acts 3:25 "Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed."

Now reason that on through. Those that enter the covenant with Christ become the "One New Man." (Ephesians 2:15) Thus these ones are that conquering 144,000 who as "One New Man" in Christ, become as that One seed by whom , "all the kindreds of the earth be blessed." There is of necessity those who are one seed with Christ and there is those who are blessed by means of those who are one seed ("one new man") with Christ. The saving of these ones has been about preparing fountains of life-giving water for the redemption of the nations during the millennial reign of Christ's kingdom, shortly to begin.

Question: "Where in Scripture does it say that only the 144,000 are in heaven?"

I will bow out from that question as it is my belief that the entire idea of humans who were made for the earth going to literally live in heaven as spirit creatures is a major missed understanding of the scriptures by the many.

 
Shak34

Shak34

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kjw47 said:
They aren't prophets.
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If they aren't god's prophets then why follow them? What makes them different than any other person on the street? They aren't inspired, so I don't understand why anyone would consider them god's only channel.


"The Governing Body consists of a group of anointed Christian men These preside over the worldwide activities of Jehovah's Witnesses. They are not inspired by God and hence are not infallible, but they rely on God's infallible Word as the highest authority on earth." Jehovah's Witnesses - Unitedly Doing God's Will Worldwide p.26

"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers." Awake! 1993 Mar 22 p.4
 
kjw47

kjw47

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Wharton said:
The same as you have a human as your father. Are you less human than your father?

See, that was easy. Even the GB should be able to come to the same conclusion but they can't as they are "millstoned" to the theology of Russell and Rutherford.
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Actually the GB teach every utterance from God as Jesus said man needs to live by. The JW teachers do not get paid--they give freely out of love.
 
kjw47

kjw47

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Shak34 said:
If they aren't god's prophets then why follow them? What makes them different than any other person on the street? They aren't inspired, so I don't understand why anyone would consider them god's only channel.


"The Governing Body consists of a group of anointed Christian men These preside over the worldwide activities of Jehovah's Witnesses. They are not inspired by God and hence are not infallible, but they rely on God's infallible Word as the highest authority on earth." Jehovah's Witnesses - Unitedly Doing God's Will Worldwide p.26

"The brothers preparing these publications are not infallible. Their writings are not inspired as are those of Paul and the other Bible writers." Awake! 1993 Mar 22 p.4
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I follow them because they teach truth, They are Jesus' anointed teachers.
Did Jesus err picking Judas as his anointed teacher? Did Jehovah err picking Solomon as his elite spiritual king?--No-- imperfect mortals erred. If one expects perfection from imperfection--they are in error.
 
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JFish123

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kjw47 said:
The word is Jesus, and trinity translations are erred --a small g goes in the last line--The only word in greek for God-god = Theos. It said--(HO) Theos in the second line but not in the last line. (Ho)Theos=means- the God--Theos means--god. It did not call the Word-The God.
And as well its an impossibility for God( Word) to be with God( with another God(HS) over there.)--that makes more than 1 God.
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And theos without the "Ho" is used in scripture of The Father Himself but He's surely Ho Theos right? So just because theos refers to Jesus in this instance means nothing :)
 
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