katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
There are two things I don't do on religious forums.
1. I do not argue the existence of God.
2. I do not argue the infallibility of God's word.
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JW's Preach A Different Gospel
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1. I do not argue the existence of God.
2. I do not argue the infallibility of God's word.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
I would also like to hear their defense for why JW's pray through Jesus if He is not their mediator. Watchtower says Jesus is mediator for the 144,000 alone.
*** w93 1/1 5 New Creations Brought Forth! ***
Jesus became the Mediator of a new covenant between God and a select group of men. Each of these has become “a new creation,” begotten by God’s spirit to a heavenly hope, with the prospect of ruling with Jesus in his heavenly Kingdom.—2 Corinthians 5:17; 1 Timothy 2:5, 6; Hebrews 9:15.
*** w89 12/15 30 Do You Remember? ***
• In what sense does Paul use the term “mediator” when referring to Jesus at 1 Timothy 2:5, 6? In this text, Paul uses the Greek word me·si'tes for “mediator,” which term has a legal significance, so he is not using this word in the broad sense common in many languages. Hence, Paul is not saying that Jesus is Mediator between God and all mankind. Rather, he is referring to Christ as legal Mediator of the new covenant, which laid the basis for Christ’s anointed followers to share with him in his heavenly Kingdom. (2 Corinthians 5:1, 5; Ephesians 1:13, 14; Hebrews 8:7-13)—8/15, pages 30, 31.
Is this what Paul is saying in 1 Timothy 1:5-6?
5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people...
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oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I asked, 'So here's your chance to tell us what your situation is.'
...and I've already explained my situation and feelings about JWs.
........true?
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
But there's one thing that you do 'do' on RF..........
You argue about other people's interpretation of the bible, their belief in God's word.
You wrote, 'The JW's preach a different and false gospel.'
Then you give me a list of things that you don't do....
........ just saying......
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Absolutely I do debate anyone who preaches another gospel. That's what the thread is about.But there's one thing that you do 'do' on RF..........
You argue about other people's interpretation of the bible, their belief in God's word.
You wrote, 'The JW's preach a different and false gospel.'
Then you give me a list of things that you don't do....
........ just saying......
Please tell us what gospel you preach.
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katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
My situation? Do you mean my faith?
I believe in the one true God, that is Father, Son and Holy Spirit. I believe the word of God is infallible.
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
Katiemygirl..... I asked that question to dhwoodwerks, and you replied (to me) copying my post to that member.
However, I acknowledge your answer to that question.
So you believe in the Trinity, whereas JWs belief is more Unitarian... so I guess that their interpretation of the Scriptures is different to your own. I don't see any harm in that variance, because human diversity in faiths provides more colour to our world, I guess.
Fair enough...........
oldbadger
Skanky Old Mongrel!
I don't have a lot of good-news in that sense, but I'll answer as best as I can.
I believe that all is God (Deism) but that we are not any more important than, say, the sparrows and ducks in our garden.
I don't preach, but I'll defend the Gospel of Mark strongly, despite it's evangelical enthusiasms.
I am very very interested in G-Mark, and have been described as a G-Mark fanatic!
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
You don't think it's good news that Jesus has offered you life eternal?
And what would you say Mark's gospel, in a nutshell, is?
And doesn't Jesus command us to go into the world and preach the gospel, according to Mark??
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katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Yes, and I have had many good discussions with JW's about the trinity.
Only the apostles. Only the apostles.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Jesus didn't die for the sparrows, ducks or any other living thing. He died for you and me so that we might live forever.
You don't think it's good news that Jesus has offered you life eternal?
And what would you say Mark's gospel, in a nutshell, is?
And doesn't Jesus command us to go into the world and preach the gospel in Mark's writing?
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
If that were so, then why do we read about others in the NT preaching the gospel (Timothy, Phillip, Aquila and Priscilla, and so many more)?
Who was supposed to preach the gospel and baptize in the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit after the apostles died?
There haven't been any apostles since the first century. Who do you think has been spreading the good news for the past 1900 + years? How did christianity grow so quickly, and get spread to all parts of the world?
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djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
Well, that's ok. I don't need you to trust me. The fact is men, women and children are being conditioned to believe they are superior to everyone who are not members of the JW's. They are trained to believe that anyone who doesn't accept that by the "QUESTION" Jesus asked about a faithful and discrete slave was a prophecy about the modern day GB are "MENTALLY DESEISED". It is not the people of the JW's that's at fault, it's the WTBTS and GB cult that is at fault.
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Sorry for the delay, I have been really busy for a couple of days.
My personal experiences of the Divine had led me to believe that God was kinder and more loving than that God.
...I am sure we have something in common though, other than our humanity of course.
I am not opposed to the idea of having those crops for the poor to harvest. Why not do that now?
I would suggest that more time should be spent looking at how they can be improved.
Perhaps work of some measure should be required as they are able to encourage personal growth?
It still does not mean that this is the case in all of Christianity.
I was a part of a church plant years ago where my pastor left a lucrative career to start the church.
He is one of the most honest and humble people I have ever met.
I disagree that charity does not work. It has helped me in the past.
I have seen it help others.
There is always the problem of those who would take advantage, but this means to me that we should look for ways
to counter these attempts at taking advantage, not scrap charity entirely.
And I do see some merit in this.
If someone is able to, they should repay a kindness (such as the giving of food) in some way.
This especially makes sense in the context it was likely intended.
Families who likely only had enough food for themselves would need someone to work
for their food. In the first world, our ludicrous abundance does not reflect this in the same exact way (although there certainly are poor, of which I am a part).
What exactly do you mean here? Regarding the payment of church workers?
Most I have known are only payed enough to live.
It is a stretch to apply this indiscriminately to all of "Christendom" as a whole.
My old pastor still sends me cards on my birthday (which I know you don't celebrate, but it is important to me).
The pastors would call, they offered to sit down and talk with you, you could pull them aside on Sunday to ask questions, they would visit you in the hospital...they were just good people.
One of them would say sometimes that it was an on-call job, and that he needed to be ready to be there for people all the time.
I am glad to here about the lack of charges for those services, and I believe that is as it should be.
of the Christian scriptures is harsh and petty.
I do not want or need Bible-based answers, though I respect that others find their purpose there.
I actually got all of my questions answered right from the Bible. I was not satisfied.
I believe that all of life is sacred, and inherently good, and that the future is a mystery.
Perhaps it can be glimpsed in part (I'm still uncertain) it can certainly be guessed at, but that's about it...
To be more philosophical about it, I don't technically believe that the future actually exists.
There is only the present. The future is only the coming present.
Peace to you.
I left primarily because the God described in the Christian scriptures is cruel and petty.
My personal experiences of the Divine had led me to believe that God was kinder and more loving than that God.
...I am sure we have something in common though, other than our humanity of course.
I must admit that I am ignorant as to what the Anglican church is even like, so I can make no real comment about that.
I am not opposed to the idea of having those crops for the poor to harvest. Why not do that now?
Well, there definitely is room for improvement when it comes to charities.
I would suggest that more time should be spent looking at how they can be improved.
Perhaps work of some measure should be required as they are able to encourage personal growth?
That's unfortunate. Apparently he is very inconsiderate at the least.
It still does not mean that this is the case in all of Christianity.
I was a part of a church plant years ago where my pastor left a lucrative career to start the church.
He is one of the most honest and humble people I have ever met.
How is this help offered (without necessarily giving specific detail)?
I disagree that charity does not work. It has helped me in the past.
I have seen it help others.
There is always the problem of those who would take advantage, but this means to me that we should look for ways
to counter these attempts at taking advantage, not scrap charity entirely.
And I do see some merit in this.
If someone is able to, they should repay a kindness (such as the giving of food) in some way.
This especially makes sense in the context it was likely intended.
Families who likely only had enough food for themselves would need someone to work
for their food. In the first world, our ludicrous abundance does not reflect this in the same exact way (although there certainly are poor, of which I am a part).
What exactly do you mean here? Regarding the payment of church workers?
Most I have known are only payed enough to live.
It sounds to me like this is a reflection on the character of this particular minister.
It is a stretch to apply this indiscriminately to all of "Christendom" as a whole.
My old pastor still sends me cards on my birthday (which I know you don't celebrate, but it is important to me).
The pastors would call, they offered to sit down and talk with you, you could pull them aside on Sunday to ask questions, they would visit you in the hospital...they were just good people.
And that is noble, if one can manage to live that way...I will say that my old pastors regularly gave of their free time.
One of them would say sometimes that it was an on-call job, and that he needed to be ready to be there for people all the time.
I am glad to here about the lack of charges for those services, and I believe that is as it should be.
I left because I could not accept that the Bible needed to be upheld at the cost of my critical thinking, and because the God
of the Christian scriptures is harsh and petty.
I do not want or need Bible-based answers, though I respect that others find their purpose there.
I actually got all of my questions answered right from the Bible. I was not satisfied.
I believe that all of life is sacred, and inherently good, and that the future is a mystery.
Perhaps it can be glimpsed in part (I'm still uncertain) it can certainly be guessed at, but that's about it...
To be more philosophical about it, I don't technically believe that the future actually exists.
There is only the present. The future is only the coming present.
Peace to you.
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psychoslice
Veteran Member
That's just what I did, and that's why I left religion.........now you are thinking. "he didn't do it right", see what I mean, you believe your way is the right way because you believe the holy spirit talked to you, so you must be right, come on lol.
djhwoodwerks
Well-Known Member
I agree somewhat with this statement. I don't believe that everyone is supposed to be preaching and teaching the Gospel. I believe that is the reason there is so much division in religion in the world today. The Bible says that, God appointed positions to teach and preach.
1Co 12:27-31 (ESVST) 27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. 28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? (Notice it says that God appointed in His CHURCH miracles, gifts of healing and various kinds of tongues. That's for a different discussion)
Rom 12:3-8 (ESVST) . 4 For as in one body we have many members, and the members do not all have the same function, 5 so we, though many, are one body in Christ, and individually members one of another. 6 Having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them: if prophecy, in proportion to our faith; 7 if service, in our serving; the one who teaches, in his teaching; 8 the one who exhorts, in his exhortation; the one who contributes, in generosity; the one who leads, with zeal; the one who does acts of mercy, with cheerfulness.
Everyone has their God chosen place in the Body of Christ. Not everyone has been assigned going door-to-door, teaching or preaching.
This is my thoughts how we are to preach the Gospel to the world around us. This is just my thoughts.
Mat 5:14-16 (ESVST) 14 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
This is true, but there are many ways to spread the gospel, one being that we show Jesus living in us. We let our light shine. Remember, too. One plants the seed, another waters.
katiemygirl
CHRISTIAN
Actually, I wasn't thinking anything about you because I have no idea what you believe.
You say you left religion. What does that mean?
Did Jesus belong to any religion?