Are Jehovah's Witnesses False Prophets?

Super Universe · May 2, 2006

may said:
we are now in the time of the end for man to rule himself independent of God . and the last days started in 1914 when Jesus was made king of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment, its all happening in the last days, out dated thoughts are no good to us now, we have to look at whats happening now in the last days, things have been happening , and it is being revealed. thrilling times indeed

Miss May:
The time for man ruling himself independantly of God is coming to an end. But neither God nor Jesus is not coming here in physical form.

The cloud covering our eyes is going to be lifted.

We are going to do this ourselves, with a little help. We are still in the beginning of this but it is happening now. Humans are evolving and we will know God and feel His presence within us wherever we go.

Zsr1973 · May 2, 2006

I believe its called the Age of Aquarius.

cardero · May 2, 2006

May writes: I find that if a person really wants to know what JW believe they will do as you are rightly doing , have a bible study with them . then you can make your own mind up .

I had to discontinue my Bible study due to my Bible instructor’s consistent failure to show up on the correct time and/or day. I do not blame the organization for this but it does leave me without an outlet for any further questions that I may have.

May writes: http://www.watchtower.org/ and i find its always best to go to the true source of what they teach

When I started studying with the JWs they provided me with the webpage that you mentioned (I keep it bookmarked because I enjoy their online Bible). I did do a precursor examination when my neighbor gave me this site but http://www.watchtower.org/ does not post any records of past publications that were referenced in the article.
I was just wondering if you were aware of these claims and whether you feel this information is accurate and/or justified and if there is any Biblical, personal or organizational understanding that you can provide for me.

Booko · May 2, 2006

may said:
bible prophecy is now well along in this time of the end, and i dont see anyone other than JW recognizing Jesus kingship in the heavens in 1914, Jesus being made king in the heavens in 1914 is the fullfillment of bible prophecy and chronology , so we are different from other christians , i am only saying it how it is. and if we go back to the roots of many beliefs Trinity, hellfire, immortality of the human soul, etc, ect, we learn that they come from babylonish teachings , that is the way it is, i am only saying how it is, i am not saying it to get at anyone , it is just how it is , and christendom is at the forefront of political things would you not agree?keeping to what Jesus taught is very important to JW , but i see people calling themselves christians ,but they are very much a part of the world and its political things. and again i am only saying what i see.

You might find it interesting to research the roots of your own denomination, which has its beginning in the teachings of Rev. Miller, of "Millerite" fame.

This is one tiny place to start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment

bunny1ohio · May 2, 2006

Booko said:
This is one tiny place to start:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Disappointment

ROFL @ wiki being a tiny anything :biglaugh: *grins and throws frubals to all the posters*

Booko · May 2, 2006

bunny1ohio said:
ROFL @ wiki being a tiny anything :biglaugh: *grins and throws frubals to all the posters*

:biglaugh: Well, yeah...but I was referring to the article on "Great Disappointment"...not the entire Wiki!!!

may · May 3, 2006

cardero said:
I had to discontinue my Bible study due to my Bible instructors consistent failure to show up on the correct time and/or day. I do not blame the organization for this but it does leave me without an outlet for any further questions that I may have.

When I started studying with the JWs they provided me with the webpage that you mentioned (I keep it bookmarked because I enjoy their online Bible). I did do a precursor examination when my neighbor gave me this site but http://www.watchtower.org/ does not post any records of past publications that were referenced in the article.
I was just wondering if you were aware of these claims and whether you feel this information is accurate and/or justified and if there is any Biblical, personal or organizational understanding that you can provide for me.

yes i am very well aware of the many websites and books around , and have seen most of them . but i find they offer nothing , other than trying their best to stop people looking at the upto date beliefs of JW. for me i have found that JW give the best answers as to why they may have said and did things in the past history . many say the 1914 date is manmade , but i can quite plainly see that it is a significant date in bible prophecy, and its all happening right now , thrilling times indeed. i am so grateful that the early bible students kept awake to bible prophecy , because now many things have been revealed to them in these last days
And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up the book, until the time of [the] end. Many will rove about, and the [true] knowledge will become abundant. Daniel 12;4 yes it certainly has become abundant

may · May 3, 2006

Super Universe said:
Dear Miss May:
The 1914 date comes from your human JW leadership

I think it is quite clear that the 1914 date comes from the bible

1914A

Significant Year in Bible Prophecy

DECADES in advance, Bible students proclaimed that there would be significant developments in 1914. What were these, and what evidence points to 1914 as such an important year?
As recorded at Luke 21:24, Jesus said: "Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations ["the times of the Gentiles," King James Version] are fulfilled." Jerusalem had been the capital city of the Jewish nationthe seat of rulership of the line of kings from the house of King David. (Psalm 48:1, 2) However, these kings were unique among national leaders. They sat on "Jehovahs throne" as representatives of God himself. (1 Chronicles 29:23) Jerusalem was thus a symbol of Jehovahs rulership.
How and when, though, did Gods rulership begin to be "trampled on by the nations"? This happened in 607 B.C.E. when Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians. "Jehovahs throne" became vacant, and the line of kings who descended from David was interrupted. (2 Kings 25:1-26) Would this trampling go on forever? No, for the prophecy of Ezekiel said regarding Jerusalems last king, Zedekiah: "Remove the turban, and lift off the crown. . . . It will certainly become no ones until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him." (Ezekiel 21:26, 27) The one who has "the legal right" to the Davidic crown is Christ Jesus. (Luke 1:32, 33) So the trampling would end when Jesus became King.
When would that grand event occur? Jesus showed that the Gentiles would rule for a fixed period of time. The account in Daniel chapter 4 holds the key to knowing how long that period would last. It relates a prophetic dream experienced by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. He saw an immense tree that was chopped down. Its stump could not grow because it was banded with iron and copper. An angel declared: "Let seven times pass over it."Daniel 4:10-16.
In the Bible, trees are sometimes used to represent rulership. (Ezekiel 17:22-24; 31:2-5) So the chopping down of the symbolic tree represents how Gods rulership, as expressed through the kings at Jerusalem, would be interrupted. However, the vision served notice that this trampling of Jerusalem would be temporarya period of "seven times." How long a period is that?
Revelation 12:6, 14 indicates that three and a half times equal "a thousand two hundred and sixty days." "Seven times" would therefore last twice as long, or 2,520 days. But the Gentile nations did not stop trampling on Gods rulership a mere 2,520 days after Jerusalems fall. Evidently, then, this prophecy covers a much longer period of time. On the basis of Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6, which speak of "a day for a year," the "seven times" would cover 2,520 years.
The 2,520 years began in October 607 B.C.E., when Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians and the Davidic king was taken off his throne. The period ended in October 1914. At that time, "the appointed times of the nations" ended, and Jesus Christ was installed as Gods heavenly King.Psalm 2:1-6; Daniel 7:13, 14.

Just as Jesus predicted, his "presence" as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developmentswar, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the birth of Gods heavenly Kingdom and the beginning of "the last days" of this present wicked system of things.2 Timothy 3:1-5.

may · May 3, 2006

cardero said:
I had to discontinue my Bible study due to my Bible instructors consistent failure to show up on the correct time and/or day. I do not blame the organization for this but it does leave me without an outlet for any further questions that I may have.

if that happened to me, i would go to the local kingdom hall , if i really wanted to find out about what JW believe , JW are interested in the here and now, because the witness about Gods established heavenly kingdom is the most important thing that they are making known on a worldwide basis , that is what Jesus left us to do and it is being done on a world wide basis,and it is for a witness ,
And this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come. matthew 24;14 the end of manmade goverments ,not the end of the planet as some think.
(Mark 13:10) Also, in all the nations the good news has to be preached first........... yes it is for a witness................... when the time comes for Jesus to go into action ,and noone knows the day or the hour of that ,only Jehovah knows that, people will know and recognize exactly what its all about. for me, i am putting myself on the side of Gods heavenly kingdom goverment , because it is the only way to true peace on earth . what a loving God Jehovah is, to give people the chance to accept Jesus as the king of this established kingdom. i am waving my palm branch welcoming Jesus as king of the heavenly kingdom, along with many others from all nations and tribes as..... revelation 7;9-10 tells us
After these things I saw, and, look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. And they keep on crying with a loud voice, saying: "Salvation [we owe] to our God, who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb

Super Universe · May 3, 2006

What specific things does a Jehovah's Witness do or believe that makes only them those who God will save?

Does any JW believe they are better in God's eyes than Mother Teresa?

Moses the God Archetype* · May 3, 2006

Bangbang said:
So.......I guess things are different since my days as a witness. Whats up with that? More light been shed on the Organization since then? Did the Governing Body vote on that again and change their minds. What happened? I am not attacking you...please do not be angry with me. I really do want to know what changes have been made since I was JW. I am just regrouping spiritually. I have even thought about going to the Kingdom Hall but I am not ready and may never go. I will most certainly never go to any other church. Knock on wood.:biglaugh:

OH bangbang God is in all things and in all faiths beloved:flower2: ........let me tell you i was once a jw coming up as a child and was baptised at the collisum in long island, my feelings about the jws are very much intuned with your own, but unsatisfied was the spirit within my heart and many questions did i indeed have that they could not anwser......so in the due course of time krishna saved me from my spiritual despair, and showed me true wisdom of the one reality that is him....and told me in spirit that he is jehovah and that the witnesses serve only that aspect of his personality and cannot see the total picture of his divinity.:sad: ........i later came to understand that aspect babaji explained to be justice and retrobution with a touch of mercy especially the old testament GOD which the jws serve..........thats why christ came to correct the peoples thinking about the father he is not as impersonal as one my want to belive.....for me finding hinduism and krishna awareness open up so many doors for me spiritually that i now see God in a new liberating light that is true bliss thanks to my guruji.......bangbang may your search for God bring you to that pasture of true bliss in the due course of time, many blessing to you beloved.

Booko · May 3, 2006

may said:
I think it is quite clear that the 1914 date comes from the bible

1914A

Significant Year in Bible Prophecy

DECADES in advance, Bible students proclaimed that there would be significant developments in 1914. What were these, and what evidence points to 1914 as such an important year?
As recorded at Luke 21:24, Jesus said: "Jerusalem will be trampled on by the nations, until the appointed times of the nations ["the times of the Gentiles," King James Version] are fulfilled." Jerusalem had been the capital city of the Jewish nationthe seat of rulership of the line of kings from the house of King David. (Psalm 48:1, 2) However, these kings were unique among national leaders. They sat on "Jehovahs throne" as representatives of God himself. (1 Chronicles 29:23) Jerusalem was thus a symbol of Jehovahs rulership.
How and when, though, did Gods rulership begin to be "trampled on by the nations"? This happened in 607 B.C.E. when Jerusalem was conquered by the Babylonians. "Jehovahs throne" became vacant, and the line of kings who descended from David was interrupted. (2 Kings 25:1-26) Would this trampling go on forever? No, for the prophecy of Ezekiel said regarding Jerusalems last king, Zedekiah: "Remove the turban, and lift off the crown. . . . It will certainly become no ones until he comes who has the legal right, and I must give it to him." (Ezekiel 21:26, 27) The one who has "the legal right" to the Davidic crown is Christ Jesus. (Luke 1:32, 33) So the trampling would end when Jesus became King.
When would that grand event occur? Jesus showed that the Gentiles would rule for a fixed period of time. The account in Daniel chapter 4 holds the key to knowing how long that period would last. It relates a prophetic dream experienced by King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon. He saw an immense tree that was chopped down. Its stump could not grow because it was banded with iron and copper. An angel declared: "Let seven times pass over it."Daniel 4:10-16.
In the Bible, trees are sometimes used to represent rulership. (Ezekiel 17:22-24; 31:2-5) So the chopping down of the symbolic tree represents how Gods rulership, as expressed through the kings at Jerusalem, would be interrupted. However, the vision served notice that this trampling of Jerusalem would be temporarya period of "seven times." How long a period is that?
Revelation 12:6, 14 indicates that three and a half times equal "a thousand two hundred and sixty days." "Seven times" would therefore last twice as long, or 2,520 days. But the Gentile nations did not stop trampling on Gods rulership a mere 2,520 days after Jerusalems fall. Evidently, then, this prophecy covers a much longer period of time. On the basis of Numbers 14:34 and Ezekiel 4:6, which speak of "a day for a year," the "seven times" would cover 2,520 years.
The 2,520 years began in October 607 B.C.E., when Jerusalem fell to the Babylonians and the Davidic king was taken off his throne. The period ended in October 1914. At that time, "the appointed times of the nations" ended, and Jesus Christ was installed as Gods heavenly King.Psalm 2:1-6; Daniel 7:13, 14.
Just as Jesus predicted, his "presence" as heavenly King has been marked by dramatic world developmentswar, famine, earthquakes, pestilences. (Matthew 24:3-8; Luke 21:11) Such developments bear powerful testimony to the fact that 1914 indeed marked the birth of Gods heavenly Kingdom and the beginning of "the last days" of this present wicked system of things.2 Timothy 3:1-5.

I understand that there are 4 possible starting points for Daniel's "time of the Gentiles" and thus by picking a different starting point you may come up with 1914.

The problem for me is, I don't see how the myriad references to 1260, esp. from Revelation, fit into that scheme.

Could you explain a bit more about how 1260 works into this?

Thanks.

fromthe heart · May 3, 2006

I won't specify any one religion but a false prophet is one who teaches anything against scripturalu beliefs or discards a part of scriptural doctrine to suit or who teaches only what someone wants to hear...at any given time any of us COULD be declared a false prophet...that is why it is SO important to be sure that what you say is scripturally sound. We are to search teh scriptures for the truth and not take someone elses interpertation..some believe there is no hell as in the eternal lake of fire...this is a false teaching and thus makes whoever teaches it a false prophet.

may · May 3, 2006

Super Universe said:
What specific things does a Jehovah's Witness do or believe that makes only them those who God will save?

Does any JW believe they are better in God's eyes than Mother Teresa?

strange thoughts , you seem to have , the whole of mankind has the hope of being saved , and as one of JW i most certainly do not think that i am better than anyone else, in fact i am as imperfect as they come LOL

Giovanni20 · May 4, 2006

May, I gotta tell you that You have really answered all of the questions and put away alot of doubts. I must thank you. Your knowledge amazes me. I must say that I personally dont believe that JWs are false at all. I believe that they are the organization that is closest to actually following the word of the bible. Unfortunately, there's no in between. So if people dont stop there battlling back and forth and just open that great book and do what it says then they'll will ultimately be destroyed in the end. Its that simple.

sojourner · May 4, 2006

Giovanni20 said:
May, I gotta tell you that You have really answered all of the questions and put away alot of doubts. I must thank you. Your knowledge amazes me. I must say that I personally dont believe that JWs are false at all. I believe that they are the organization that is closest to actually following the word of the bible. Unfortunately, there's no in between. So if people dont stop there battlling back and forth and just open that great book and do what it says then they'll will ultimately be destroyed in the end. Its that simple.

"Do what it says" according to whom? The JW's? The LDS? The RC's? The Muslims? Whose interpretations of "what the bible says" are the correct ones? How do they know? How do we know? What is "the word of the Bible?" Who has the answer? How do we know they're right? Why can't all Christendom have part of the whole "correct answer?" We are, after all, One Body...the Body of Christ. In the end, that Body will be destroyed...and raised up to new life.

Giovanni20 · May 4, 2006

All those questions...fueled by doubt= No faith? Why ask? just do what it says (THE BIBLE) Why do we always have to question his authority? Its so simple: read and follow.

sojourner · May 4, 2006

Giovanni20 said:
All those questions...fueled by doubt= No faith? Why ask? just do what it says (THE BIBLE) Why do we always have to question his authority? Its so simple: read and follow.

Please don't try to equate questioning with lack of faith...it just doesn't work that way. Questions are not necessarily fueled by doubt. many times they are fueled by reason and critical thinking. If we don't bother to revere and respect the Bible for the type of literature it is, we do it a great injustice. One can glean the leavings "on the surface" if one wishes, but one will miss out on the great harvest of revelation found only in an in-depth search of Biblical meaning.

may · May 6, 2006

Giovanni20 said:
May, I gotta tell you that You have really answered all of the questions and put away alot of doubts. I must thank you. Your knowledge amazes me. I must say that I personally dont believe that JWs are false at all. I believe that they are the organization that is closest to actually following the word of the bible. Unfortunately, there's no in between. So if people dont stop there battlling back and forth and just open that great book and do what it says then they'll will ultimately be destroyed in the end. Its that simple.

Hi, its not my knowledge, it is the things i learn from the bible , from the organization that i believe Jehovah and Jesus are working through, i also feel that JW are the closest to the bible, that is why among many other things , that i became one of JW. as far as i am concerned the teaching are based on Gods word the bible ,and the light is getting brighter and brighter in this time of the end. and yes as you say ,the bible tells us that there will be a day of Jehovah , and there will be no sitting on the fence ,we will be on one side or the other, but also as the bible tells us, Jehovah and Jesus christ can read hearts that is their Job not ours, our comission as christians ,from Jesus is to make known the GOODNEWS OF THE KINGDOM and that is what JW have been doing on a worldwide basis, we try our best to do what Jesus asked us , and i think that JW as an organization is accomplishing just that . and the reason for this is because Jehovahs spirit is with the organization. and even though the whole world is in opposition to the Good news of the kingdom, Jehovah blesses faithfulness

may · May 6, 2006

LOL i think Jehovah is listening and looking at this thread

because the official JW site has this artical at the top of its site at the momment Jehovah's WitnessesWho Are They?
Why do many oppose Jehovah's Witnesses and tell me not to study with them?

Are Jehovah's Witnesses False Prophets?

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