HOLY and DIVINE

Same or different?

savagewind said:

Same or different?

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Same. Anything Divine, is Holy. Anything Holy is considered sacred or Divine.

I guess it depends on how people define them both. If you mean christisn wise, no...they arent the same. The Biblenid Holy and Sacred but is not God, hence not Divine.

If spiritual in general, what makes something holy or sacred is its Divine nature. Nature is holy (Id say sacred) because she keeps us alive. She is Divine because her "nature" is like a parent and loved one. Holy is more adjective. Divine is personal and defines the nature of a person or thing. She is Divine, thereby Holy. She is Holy, as such, she is Divine.

Is there one scripture which helps define what divine is?

Hoh ****, I'm about to type something up.

If you do not understand you are a nincompoop!

Why are things sacred? Magical?

Magical was besides the point.

Treasured another, why are things treasured?

Because people love them.

It's not your place or my place to remove them.

It's not magic, it's respect.

Pay no mind to degenerates.

savagewind said:

Is there one scripture which helps define what divine is?

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Yes. Its in context:

Acts 17:29
2 Peter 1:3
2 Peter 1:4

It seems its more an adjective to desribe characteristics of God. It also says scripture is God-breathed so thats another way of saying divine. The only other contextual reference in in scripture is the debate of Jesus' divinity (different topic)

Holiness is a degree of Divinity revealed in a subject.

It is written "you must be holy because God is holy" and holiness is a degree of divinity so divinity is what we are to reach for. Why not?

God is holy; angels and saints are holy and the bible is holy, etc., but only God is divine.

Forever_Catholic said:

God is holy; saints are holy and the bible is holy, etc., but only God is divine.

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What proof do you have that "only God is divine"?

There are only two forms of existence - the divine and the created. So divine applies to God alone.

Forever_Catholic said:

There are only two forms of existence - the divine and the created. So divine applies to God alone.

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I do not disagree. How do you explain the meaning of 2 Peter 1:4?

2 Peter 1:4 Greek Text Analysis

Are children NOT in the likeness of their parent?

1 John 3:2
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known.

You say The Father is divine, but the children are not divine. Can you explain this?

savagewind said:

I do not disagree. How do you explain the meaning of 2 Peter 1:4?

2 Peter 1:4 Greek Text Analysis

Are children NOT in the likeness of their parent?

1 John 3:2
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known.

You say The Father is divine, but the children are not divine. Can you explain this?

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Sure, these are good things to talk about. But I'm about to leave for Mass. Later, okay?

savagewind said:

I do not disagree. How do you explain the meaning of 2 Peter 1:4?

2 Peter 1:4 Greek Text Analysis

Are children NOT in the likeness of their parent?

1 John 3:2
Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known.

You say The Father is divine, but the children are not divine. Can you explain this?

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Here's how I would explain it:

First of all, "divine" is often used interchangeably with "holy" or "good," as holy and good pertain not only to God, but to other things or people. But in the stricter theological sense, "divine" pertains to God. In "divinely inspired," "Divine Providence," and "Divine Mercy," it's clear that the "divine" is God, and not some other holy person. It refers to the Divine Being. The angels are holy, but not divine. Saint Mary is holy, but not divine, not even as the "Mother of our Lord." (Luke 1:43)

2 Peter 1:4 - "Whereby he hath granted unto us his precious and exceeding great promises; that through these ye may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in that world by lust."

According to the Greek Text Analysis, the Greek word in the text translated to the phrase "of the divine" is "theias," which is formed from "Theos," the Greek word for God. So we may partake of something from God, but we won't be receiving his essence because that can not be had by creatures. We can partake of his holiness, virtue, and glory. We are sanctified by partaking of the divine nature,

1 John 3:2 - "Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known." We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is."

Children of God, yes, as his creatures who have united with him, or as his "adopted sons" as it is sometimes said. But human souls can not be sons of God as Jesus is the Son of God because Jesus is the "begotten Son." Jesus is God the Son because he is of the same substance as God the Father and is one with the Father in the literal sense. No created being can be that, again because we can not have or become or even know the essence of God. In other words, we can not be divine beings.

"...We know that when He appears, we will be like Him, because we will see Him just as He is." Since God created man in his own image and likeness, it has been his desire from the beginning that we be like him. The apostles saw the fully divine Jesus in his fully human nature. They became like him not just by seeing him, but by learning from him directly who and what he is, uniting with him and striving to be like him. They passed that on through their writings and verbal teachings so that we can know Jesus also. When he returns, we will see him and the faithful will know him and be like him.

"What we will be has not yet been made known." That refers to what we will be in heaven. We will be exalted above and beyond what we are on earth. We only know a very little about that from scripture; for example, having the perfected, glorified bodies (at/after the final judgment) that Saint Paul describes in 1 Corinthians.

We do know that "what we will be" in heaven is even more like God because we will be thoroughly purified in his image and likeness, but we will not be God and will not be divine. We will be saints, which means "holy."

So complicated.
@savagewind
Divine can be an adjective. It discribes the sacred, what or who we place over ourselves. It can describe a god or goddess to nature. Depending on how one places who or what in their life and their worship or reverence of it.

Holy is an adjective. Most if not all divine people and things are described as Holy. If I had a child, his or her nature would be holy (he would be holy) if I believed he was created by the Divine God. Jesus, a human, is holy because His Divine father chose Him for human salvation.

Holy can be used for anything or anyone we hold special and such. Usually, people say something is holy because it is relates to the Divine (or what some say God). That is not always the case.