Hear; Know; Reason

I am posting this new thread because what I see is that for many people reasons comes first, then to know and then they won't hear.

I think the whole mess started with hearing. Abraham heard God.

So I looked up hearing, reasoning and knowing in The Bible. And I am going to post what I have found.

Except for the book of Revelations hear has the fewest entries. Mark 12:29 and Luke 8:21

Mark 12: 28One of the scribes came and heard them arguing, and recognizing that He had answered them well, asked Him, "What commandment is the foremost of all?"29Jesus answered, "The foremost is, 'HEAR, O ISRAEL! THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD;30AND YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND, AND WITH ALL YOUR STRENGTH.

Luke 8:20And it was reported to Him, "Your mother and Your brothers are standing outside, wishing to see You." 21But He answered and said to them, "My mother and My brothers are these who hear the word of God and do it.

Reason. It is what people do. They use intelligence to understand the Bible. Everyone knows a test which sounds like this; this is to that as that is to this. That is how most doctrine is generated imho.
Matthew 16:7; 21:25; Mark 11:31; Luke 1:29; 5:21; John 11:50; 12;309; 19:12

Know. It is what causes divisions. What does God have us to know?

Matt 9:6, Mark 2:10, Luke 5:24 But I want you to know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins." So he said to the paralyzed man, "Get up, take your mat and go home."

Mark 13:29 Even so, when you see these things happening, you know that it is near, right at the door.

Luke 12:39 But know this: If the homeowner had known at what hour the thief was coming, he would not have let his house be broken into.

Luke 21:20 But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near.

Luke 21:31 So likewise you, when you see these things come to pass, know that the kingdom of God is near at hand.

John 10:38 But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.

John 15:18 If the world hates you, you know that it has hated Me before it hated you. ( I think one is switched. It says "You know" but I think the original says "know you" like a command).

[in case you haven't guessed yet I am talking about the commands "know", "reason" and "listen". OK?]

John 17:7 might be twisted, but we shall leave that to the guys who say they know.

disciple said:

Jesu was saying here, that He was God. Of course He knew that it doesn't make sense to basically disown His own family, for some beliefs; this is what many people goof on, the interpretations. What Jesu means here, is that He is talking about Himself, exactly what happened when satan was trying to tempt Him, He said, you should only worship the Lord, your God. This is referring to Himself. He cant make it any plainer, He is even using the title that is treserved for the son, as opposed to the father. And then, He also says, to only worship God. So, He is God.


People really goof this, they think that this is a fisherman, disowning his family, then rebuking some Pharisees, then getting baptized by John, and turning into a demi-god.

sheeeeeeeesh...

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What are you talking about?

The thread is about what God commands us to do. Are we to reason, know or listen?

All three.

savagewind said:

Except for the book of Revelations hear has the fewest entries.

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What are you talking about?

savagewind said:

What are you talking about?

The thread is about what God commands us to do. Are we to reason, know or listen?

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If the reasoning doesn't match the knowing, you goofed. If the knowing doesn't match the listening, you goofed.

Jayhawker Soule said:

What are you talking about?

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Oh good! J is here.
I am talking about the commands to hear, to reason, and to know. The book of Rev has many entries which say HEAR Outside of that book I find only two. I am talking about The Lord Jesus Christ so the Hebrew scriptures are out. Thank you for coming.

disciple said:

If the reasoning doesn't match the knowing, you goofed. If the knowing doesn't match the listening, you goofed.

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That is why they learn to not listen.

disciple said:

All three.

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Yes. All three are good. Wisdom is for knowing which one for when. Is which one for when English? I do not know.

Wisdom is for knowing when to reason, when to listen and when to know.

Matt 16:7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.

Matt 21:25"The baptism of John was from what source, from heaven or from men?" And they began reasoning among themselves, saying, "If we say, 'From heaven,' He will say to us, 'Then why did you not believe him?'

Mark 11:31They began reasoning among themselves, saying, "If we say, 'From heaven,' He will say, 'Then why did you not believe him?'

Luke 1:29 But she was very perplexed at this statement, and kept reasoning what kind of salutation this was.

Luke 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?


I could not find one scripture which commands you to reason on scripture but that is what they ALL do.

If reason comes before knowing then they will listen only to what they believe.

Please meditate on the commands which say "know". Does any scripture say know Jesus? Does any scripture say reason on who Jesus is?
I'm asking. You tell me.

Anyway, I know the JWs are not about listening. I can talk about them because it is what I am or was, depending on your perspective.
If any JW hears something about the Christ which is different than what is taught in The Watchtower and tells somebody, the society calls that demon possessed.

Listening to anything but the governing body is forbidden. But LISTEN is God's command. Isn't it?

Is know God's command? Is reason God's command? You tell me.

Is understand God's command? Tell me if you know.

disciple said:

If Jesu is forgiving sins, and the Pharisees are saying that only God can forgive sins, it means that Jesu is God. We don't have to do any interpretational gymnastics to figure that one out.

-Jesu is forgiving sins.
-Only God can forgive sins.

yes, our reasoning tells us that Jesu, here, is being named as God.

If someone doesn/t believe this, there are many other religions! but that is the text. black and white.

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But you are reasoning which is something god has not commanded.

Show me in any religious scripture where I can read a command which says to reason about the nature of God.

savagewind said:

But you are reasoning which is something god has not commanded.

Show me in any religious scripture where I can read a command which says to reason about the nature of God.

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Lol I don't know of any. Then again, nothing in Scripture, says that we can have more than one Deity. So, isn't it a moot point? Aren't you stuck worshipping the same deity regardless? That is where the questions arise. We are ''saying'' names of deity.

however...is it the same deity?
the name does not ''define'' the deity.

disciple said:

Lol I don't know of any. Then again, nothing in Scripture, says that we can have more than one Deity. So, isn't a moot point? Aren't you stuck worshipping the same deity regardless? That is where the questions arise. We are ''saying'' names of deity.
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however...is it the same deity?
the name does not ''define'' the deity.

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You are way, way off topic. Haha

disciple said:

You know what they say about gift horses.

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I liked your post and are you know insulting me?

Yes, you are talking to me off topic or not I need not look in the horses mouth to see it is off topic. OK?

savagewind said:

for many people reasons comes first, then to know and then they won't hear..

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It's not "seeing is believing" it's "believing is seeing".


Here is a test you can do the next time you find yourself in a crowd of people outside. Whistle a little tune and take note of how many people in the crowd turn to look at you... then, jingle a bag of coins and notice how many in the crowd turn to look at you. (Keep the volume level of each similar, and sadly you will get more people looking at you with the coin jingling). People listen to, and take note of what is most important to them, and ignore everything else.