Biblical evidence to the fact that the Jews have a right to Israel

I keep hearing the fact that the jews have no rights to be in Israel; they have already given up some good land to the Palestinians who now seem to want more.

Here is what I hope is a good argument, based on Biblical texts, showing the right of the Jews to their land.


From:-http://www.therefinersfire.org/jews_return_to_israel.htm

Many people believe that today's Jewish people "are not really not the Israelites of the Bible", or that God's "Chosen" have been replaced by believing Gentiles. These allegations could not be further from the truth! The Nation of Israel is the center of prophetical realization, and numerous indications of Christ's return are evident through presence of the modern state. Take a look at the following Biblical evidence:
Sign #1: The Diaspora
The Bible prophesied the Jewish diaspora. The Nation of Israel would dwell for many years outside of their country and promised land. After this time had elapsed they would return to their ancient possession. The predictions were exact and complete making the nation's return a supernatural happening of our age. A modern miracle. They were dispersed for over 1,900 years. They are there again today.
Hosea 3:4-5 - "For the Israelites will live many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred stones, without ephod or idol. Afterward the Israelites will return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They will come trembling to the LORD and to his blessings in the last days."
Hosea 6:1 - "Come, let us return to the LORD. He has torn us to pieces but he will heal us; he has injured us but he will bind up our wounds."
To see the rest of the passage fulfilled, Israel needs only to turn to God. For David to become their king once again, there will be a resurrection from the dead.
Sign #2: The Return
Hundreds, perhaps thousands, of Bible passages predict the return of Israel to the land of Palestine. Here are only two.
Ezekiel 20:34 - "I will bring you from the nations and gather you from the countries where you have been scattered -- with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm and with outpoured wrath."
Isaiah 11:11-12 NIV - "In that day the Lord will reach out his hand a second time to reclaim the remnant that is left of his people from Assyria, from Lower Egypt, from Upper Egypt, from Cush, from Elam, from Babylonia, from Hamath and from the islands of the sea. He will raise a banner for the nations and gather the exiles of Israel; he will assemble the scattered people of Judah from the four quarters of the earth."
Sign #3: Buying back the land
The prophet Jeremiah prophesied about 600 years B.C. just as the nation of Judah was being destroyed and the people taken captive into the land of Babylon. He spoke of a day when Jews would once again purchase land within the ancient territory. That is precisely what returning Jews did, starting nearly a century ago - they bought back the land.

Jeremiah 32:44 NIV - "Fields will be bought for silver, and deeds will be signed, sealed and witnessed in the territory of Benjamin, in the villages around Jerusalem, in the towns of Judah and in the towns of the hill country, of the western foothills and of the Negev, because I will restore their fortunes, declares the LORD."
Sign #4: Israel - Reborn in a day
Israel, a nation that had not really existed as a separate nation for nearly 2,500 years, was declared a new sovereign state by an act of the United Nations on May 14, 1948. The nation was born in a day.
Isaiah 66:8 NIV - "Who has ever heard of such a thing? Who has ever seen such things? Can a country be born in a day or a nation be brought forth in a moment? Yet no sooner is Zion in labour than she gives birth to her children."
Sign #5: The order of the return
The first returning Jews to Palestine came primarily from eastern Arab countries. The next major movement came from the western countries of Europe, especially Germany. Then they came in great numbers from Russia (north) during the end of the 1980's. The last great migrations of Jews returning to Israel came from Ethiopia in the south. This precise order of return was predicted by Isaiah the prophet.
Isaiah 43:5-6,21 - "Do not be afraid, for I am with you; I will bring your children from the east and gather you from the west. I will say to the north, `Give them up!' and to the south, `Do not hold them back.' Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the ends of the earth..."
"... the people I formed for myself that they may proclaim my praise."
Psalm 107:2-3 NIV - "Let the redeemed of the LORD say this -- those he redeemed from the hand of the foe, those he gathered from the lands, from east and west, from north and south.
Sign #6: A pure language
With the return of the nation, the ancient Hebrew language has been revived and become the official language of the state. Prior to this happening, the Jews spoke an impure form of the language called Yiddish. The return to a pure common language was again predicted by the prophets.
Zephaniah 3:8-10 KJV - "For then will I turn to the people a pure language, that they may all call upon the name of the LORD, to serve him with one consent. From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, [even] the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering".
Sign #7: The shekel
After nearly 2,000 years the shekel has been reinstated as the common monetary unit in Israel, again, just as predicted.
Ezekiel 45:12-16 NIV - "The shekel is to consist of twenty gerahs. Twenty shekels plus twenty-five shekels plus fifteen shekels equal one mina.... All the people of the land will participate in this special gift for the use of the prince in Israel."
Sign #8: Named cities of Israel
There are many cities in Israel that bear the ancient names of previous Jewish cities. Some of these that bear their Biblical identification include: Cana, Nazareth, Jericho, Nain, Bethany, Bethlehem, Hebron, Gaza, etc. Again, as the ancient nation was in the process of being destroyed, Ezekiel the prophet predicted that many of the ancient cities would, in fact, be re-inhabited and settled in the exact locations.
Ezekiel 36:11; 24 KJV - "And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better [unto you] than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I [am] the LORD.... For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land."
Sign #9: Cities excepted - never to be inhabited
Jesus pronounced a curse on at least three cities within the land. These remain in ruins today.
Matthew 11:21-23 NIV - "Woe to you, Korazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. And you, Capernaum, will you be lifted up to the skies? No, you will go down to the depths. If the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Sodom, it would have remained to this day."
Sign #10: From desolation to productivity
The restoration of the agriculture and of the trees and forests of Israel has been another remarkable miracle. Scarcely 75 years ago, the land was a desolate waste, full of malarial swamps and deserts. Today the replanted forests are flourishing and the Israeli agricultural production is one of the great wonders of the world. This tiny country exports quality produce around the world. Should we say, "Again, just as predicted!"
Isaiah 26:6 NIV - "In days to come Jacob will take root, Israel will bud and blossom and fill all the world with fruit."
Isaiah 35:1-2 NIV - "The desert and the parched land will be glad; the wilderness will rejoice and blossom. Like the crocus, it will burst into bloom; it will rejoice greatly and shout for joy...."

Well, that's fantastic.


Now prove the Bible to be the unadulterated, actual word of G-d and that everything in it is true and happened.

I keep hearing the fact that the jews have no rights to be in Israel; they have already given up some good land to the Palestinians who now seem to want more.

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They were dwelling on it illegally, them having to get off it had to happen sooner or later. (Of course, I do wish everyone could just live in peace there but both sides seem too petty to, at this point.)

michel said:

Here is what I hope is a good argument, based on Biblical texts, showing the right of the Jews to their land.

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You're arguing that, due to some biblical passages, people who happen to be Jewish have the right to usurp land from other people?

How I detest that line of reasoning. I can't help thinking there wouldn't be so much support for it if the bible stated that god gave the Jews West Virginia, Central London and a small parcel of land on the French Riviera.
But it's handy that it was somewhere that doesn't directly effect any of us, isn't it?

I think that the thread was a nod to some other threads that were being made in the same vein.

Just what they needed to hear over there to fuel a holy war.

Ardent Listener said:

Just what they needed to hear over there to fuel a holy war.

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Um, would it be helpful to quote the passage that says when the Jews do return, they won't ever be driven out again?

Or maybe I shouldn't mention that...

jamaesi said:

They were dwelling on it illegally, them having to get off it had to happen sooner or later. (Of course, I do wish everyone could just live in peace there but both sides seem too petty to, at this point.)

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Well, you get right down to it, about everyone on this planet is living on land that once belonged to someone else. I, for one, live in a state that's been stolen at least two major times, and doubtless more besides.

I don't think it's too late to give up on peace, though. I hope not, since both groups are there and neither is leaving. It's a tiny country, but there really has to be room for everyone, since it's what you've got to work with. Tough situation, though. You've got two groups who've been enormously screwed who need a homeland...

Well, you get right down to it, about everyone on this planet is living on land that once belonged to someone else. I, for one, live in a state that's been stolen at least two major times, and doubtless more besides.

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It still doesn't make it right. A lot of *insert bad thing here* happens, but frequency doesn't mean a darn thing in regards to if it's a right thing.

FeathersinHair said:

I think that the thread was a nod to some other threads that were being made in the same vein.

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Thank you Feather; that is true. However, it is still a belief that I have.

To all of you who claim that Israel have no rights to this land, let me put the following facts before you:-
1. © 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

The far-left, pro-Palestinian Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz recently reported on an extensive survey of Palestinian school textbooks. The books are bizarre. They all but expunge Israel from the map of the region, referring to the territory between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea as "Palestine." There's no mention of "Israel," much less the promise of "peace" in exchange for Israel's retreat to the pre-1967 borders.
The books also teach that the Palestinians have first rights to the country. Accordingly, the "Arab Canaanites were there before the Jews, therefore the Zionistic claim of rights to the land by virtue of forefathers is a lie."
Other than among its Arab adherents, one would expect such loony-tune historical revisionism from crackpots like members of the Institute for Historical Review. (The IHR is a motley of discredited oddballs, poseurs and pseudo-historians, whose members are dedicated to proving that Jews lied about the Holocaust. Intellectually, the IHR is a sort of malevolent version of the Flat Earth Society.)
The Palestinian textbooks also describe Zionism as "a movement of which the seizing of land is foremost among its tenets." This is a strand that sadly runs through many libertarian sophomoric scripts about "Zionist imperialism." Once again, this level of sophistry is rare even among the left. When it's forthcoming, it hails from the Noam Chomsky crazed-clown corner.
Why so many libertarians share the Arab world's unstinting commitment to fabrication is a puzzle. The defensive wars Israel has been forced into belie this sloganeering. A glance at a map of the region – a speck of Israel surrounded by a sea of Arabs – renders the "imperialism" shibboleth positively hollow.
Libertarians err in mistaking the 2,000-year-old Jewish right to the land for a biblically-based, religious claim. The claim is first and foremost historical, although naturally, the Hebrew community's claim to its ancient homeland can't be reduced to a title search at the deeds office. Jewish rights to Israel proceed from the original ownership of the land: The original and rightful owners were Jews. The fact that the original owners were killed and exiled by the Romans doesn't nullify their ownership.
Despite their dispossession 2,000 years ago, Jews clung to life in Israel throughout the centuries, never relinquishing their claim to the occupied territory. Enduring the ruthlessness of the Byzantines, the massacres of the Muslim dynasties, and the onslaught of the Crusaders, the Mongols, and the Ottoman Turks, Jews struggled to maintain a continuous presence in Israel since the exile.
Theirs is a tie that has never been severed. If anything, by maintaining over the centuries a purposeful, continuous and heroic presence in the conquered land, the Jews' claim to Israel has been affirmed and seared in the annals of time. No subsequent hegemonic regional power, like the Ottomans, ever had the right to deny Jews a right to re-enter or to repurchase land titles from those willing to sell them (a point made to me by the British philosopher, David Conway).
Israel is omnipresent in every facet of the Jewish identity and culture; it has been since time immemorial. Clearly, the right to the land can't be understood without reference to the concept of nationhood and national identity, something libertarians often dismiss or confuse with statism.
By comparison, the Palestinian project is a recent project. It's a pan-Arabic undertaking, candidly discussed in the Arab world during the crucial years of propaganda shaping. Not wanting to leave the international community with the (true) impression that a hundred million or so Arabs aimed to destroy the tiny state of Israel, Arab leaders deployed the Palestinians' cause to achieve the same end. One of the coups in this strategy was the introduction of the Palestinians' "Right of Return" to Israel proper, now a staple in the Bush administration's rhetoric.
When it begrudgingly granted Jews the permission to rebuild their despoiled homeland, the international community was thus only recognizing the Jews' natural right to the land – recognizing that Jews have a right to self-determination and political autonomy in their national homeland, and that that homeland was Israel.
When Jews commenced what must be the most remarkable modern-day national revival, Israel was a wasteland. Palestinians had done precious little for the land they purport to so love. In fact, in 1948, the invading Arab armies instructed Palestinians to vacate their holdings in Israel until the Jews were exterminated, after which Palestinians would return to inherit the land. Palestinians duly scuttled, abandoning the land with nomadic ease. Contrast that with the Jews: 580,000 ferocious Jewish soldiers gave their lives to defend the land against the conquering Romans, who also obliterated 985 Jewish villages. The Jews were forced to give up their homeland then … but will never again.


From:-http://www.therefinersfire.org/jews_return_to_israel.htm

also:-
"The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state is only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity. In reality today there is no difference between Jordanians, Palestinians, Syrians and Lebanese. Only for political and tactical reasons do we speak today about the existence of a Palestinian people, since Arab national interests demand that we posit the existence of a distinct 'Palestinian people' to oppose Zionism.
"For tactical reasons, Jordan, which is a sovereign state with defined borders, cannot raise claims to Haifa and Jaffa. While as a Palestinian, I can undoubtedly demand Haifa, Jaffa, Beer-Sheva and Jerusalem. However, the moment we reclaim our right to all of Palestine, we will not wait even a minute to unite Palestine and Jordan." (PLO executive committee member Zahir Muhsein, March 31, 1977, interview with the Dutch newspaper Trouw.)

It should be remembered that in 1918, with the fall of the Ottoman Empire, Britain and France were handed 5,000,000 square miles to divvy up and 99% was given to the Arabs to create countries that did not exist previously. 1% was given as a Mandate for the re-establishment of a state for the Jews on both banks of the Jordan River. In 1921, to once again appease the Arabs, another three quarters of that 1% was given to a fictitious state called Trans-Jordan. (Jack Berger, May 31, 2004.)
The total for all the 22 Arab League countries is 6,145,389 square miles. By comparison, all 50 states of the United States have a total of 3,787,318 square miles. Israel has 8,463 square miles, about one-sixth of that of the State of Michigan. Iran, Turkey, Pakistan and Afghanistan are Muslim but not Arab and are not included. (See http://www.masada2000.org/geography.html for a graphic presentation of the land area of Israel relative to the size of the Arab countries.)
World Arab population: 300 million; World Jewish population: 13.6 million; Israel's Jewish population: 5.4 million. (reference: Dr. Wilbert Simkovitz,
http://dehai.org/archives/dehai_news_archive/apr04/0223.htmldehai.org/ archives/dehai_news_archive/apr04/0223.html)

I could say more..............

jamaesi said:

It still doesn't make it right. A lot of *insert bad thing here* happens, but frequency doesn't mean a darn thing in regards to if it's a right thing.

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You misunderstand me. I was not trying to justify. I was merely pointing out that being on the land "illegaly" does not automatically mean that people will get out sooner or later.

michel said:

Libertarians err in mistaking the 2,000-year-old Jewish right to the land for a biblically-based, religious claim. The claim is first and foremost historical, although naturally, the Hebrew community's claim to its ancient homeland can't be reduced to a title search at the deeds office. Jewish rights to Israel proceed from the original ownership of the land: The original and rightful owners were Jews. The fact that the original owners were killed and exiled by the Romans doesn't nullify their ownership.

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Lovely...I'll just hand over my house to the local aboriginal tribe and be on my way, while I expect that if anyone can show just claim to your own English country garden based on the fact that they may have had some ancestors in the area that the Romans did in, you will do the same, Michel.
Scotty, pop the kettle on lad, I'm coming 'home'.

Maybe when they both realise that they are trying to act on what their god wants the can work on a solution. Even they should be able to admit that no-one knows what god wants.

There are many places in the world where multiple religions live in peace, eg, Nepal, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims. Some even worship their seperate gods (if applicable) in the same temples. Isreal is just an example of what happens when religion, hard headedness and ignorance collide.

michel said:

I could say more..............

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Feel free. Any chance you might answer the question I asked?

Quoth_The _Raven said:

Scotty, pop the kettle on lad, I'm coming 'home'.

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Do I have to vacate, or are you content to let me hang around provided you can abuse my rights, kill my kids, build a wall around my part of the garden, and run this household like a fascist police state?

Jaiket said:

Do I have to vacate, or are you content to let me hang around provided you can abuse my rights, kill my kids, build a wall around my part of the garden, and run this household like a fascist police state?

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Well, I'd have been happy for a cuppa and a couple of bickies, but if you're offering. Thinking on it, I wouldn't want to do this in anything less than the proper manner.
I'm a bit squeemish on the killing kids part though (I guess I'm not really that good at this), so how about I just have my kids throw rocks at your kids as they pass in the street?

Jaiket said:

You're arguing that, due to some biblical passages, people who happen to be Jewish have the right to usurp land from other people?

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Sorry, this original question?

No, I am not. As Feathers pointed out, to be frank, I am fed up with Jew-bashing. I guess I wanted to make sure that whilst one side of an argument was being published, the counterpoint was also being made available.

And, I do not believe that the Jewish have 'usurped' anything. When they were allowed a strip of baren desert, they worked feverishly hard to make it into arable and productive land. Now, the original owners want it back........sounds kind of hard, doesn't it ? I cannot help but respect the jews, for their achievements, whilst being reviled by most nations.

mm doesnt the bible have somewhere in it that says ,thou shal not kill . yet people who live by the bible seem to forget this.

michel said:

Here is what I hope is a good argument, based on Biblical texts, showing the right of the Jews to their land.

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It is a pathetically bad argument.

michel said:

As Feathers pointed out, to be frank, I am fed up with Jew-bashing.

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I find it abhorrent. What has that got to do with my question?

michel said:

And, I do not believe that the Jewish have 'usurped' anything.

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I see. Well fair enough, I don't suppose we can argue that particular point then.