Servant_of_the_One1
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Iam guessing Jesus pbuh himself was circumsized. And so too the disciples. In that case it makes sense for christians to also do that.
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Is circumcision against the faith of Xianity?
- Thread starter Desert Snake
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Iam guessing Jesus pbuh himself was circumsized. And so too the disciples. In that case it makes sense for christians to also do that.
I'm guessing that He was also.
But cutting off part of the body that God put there would seem to require a higher standard than that.
Christians aren't Jews. It's a Jewish tradition.
Do Muslims require it like Jews?
Tom
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
No, not if a man practices good hygiene. There are other ways of assuring that a man keeps himself clean. Foremost among those ways is to not whore around. And next would be always washing his hands before he touches himself. All of that shows love for his wife. But even if a man is single he should practice being clean and then if he does marry his wife will be safe to depend upon him being consistently clean.
And then there is washing hands after a man touches himself which shows love for others, including for any children he may have. I mean think about a man who goes to the bathroom touching himself and then afterward having not washed his hands his little child approaches him and he caresses their cheek or their hair with his hands. Thus a truly loving man will wash his hands both before and after he has had to touch himself.
As far as bacterial soaps go, yes, they are finding they have been wrong about that. And most research shows that most any soap in a modest amount will do the job so long as one rinses thoroughly afterward. The rinsing is actually what carries away the viruses and the bacteria and washes them down the drain. All the soap does is cut the surface layer of oil so that the water can get at the viruses or the bacteria and sweep it away. So long as it is stuck in the skins oil the water rolls right over it.
But none of that would make it wrong for a man to choose to be circumcised. It is only wrong when a man equates it with what is necessary to please God and so forces that idea upon others. Why? Because circumcision was a mere picture of our need to remove the foreskin of our heart and be willing to listen so as to understand God and do as God would have us do. But to push a law on others or even to engage only for our self using that reason when he has set aside in favor of the spiritual things it pictured is like not obeying God. And so that would be the opposite of what circumcision pictured. For by not listening so as to understand a person demonstrates that they have not removed the callousness (foreskin) from off the heart. And the removal of that foreskin is critical to preparing the way of Jehovah in our heart.
Isaiah 40:3 "The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Jehovah, make straight in the desert a highway for our God." Mark 1:3 "The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight." Yes, that is about preparing our hearts to be able to receive.
Deuteronomy 10:16 "Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked."
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Mountain_Climber
Active Member
If that is the only knowledge of the subject one has then I suppose that would seem to make sense.
Pbuh was born yet under the Old law and his parents would have been in violation of the Law had they not obeyed it. So they made that choice for him. And under that law he was required to do so.
But, "The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it." Luke 16:16
And of course the next logical objection will likely be Matthew 5: 17-20
Also, someone may wonder if Jesus and his disciples then violated love for not washing their hands before eating. Matthew 15:2
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Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Jesus didn't just have Jewish disciples. Aside from that, traditionally, Xians don't get circumcised. What are you so ''amazed'' at?
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
So wait, a "god infant" cant tell his mom: dont circumsize me, that is old law?
Servant_of_the_One1
Well-Known Member
Iam amazed because christians clearly dont follow the footsteps of jesus pbuh.
Here are examples:
1) Jesus worshiped God, christians worship him
2) Jesus didnt eat pork, christians eat pork
3) Jesus was circumsized just like his disciples, christians arent
4) Jesus prayed with his forehead on the ground, christians prefer to sit down
5) Jesus said the law of moses stays intact, christians mock the law of moses and they say its Old One that is not needed anymore.
6) Jesus grew his beard, western christians like the Pope are cleanshaven. Do they follow Jesus pbuh or the Romans?
DoubtingNate
Member
it is no longer a hot button topic in Christianity, however removing the circumcision requirement is something that allowed Christianity to grow exponentially. It was a clever political move.
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
Funny!
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
Strangely enough I can see why you might think those things but I can also see you are speaking far more than you really are able to know.
Ask of me one question at a time.
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Mountain_Climber
Active Member
It is much easier to just ignore the information presented to us than to take time to try to understand it, isn't it.
Why would He even want to be uncircumcised?
" My Ways are not your ways..."
I think most Christians would find consideration of the Divine Phallus very off putting, besides unimportant.
Tom
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
It does not matter when one considers that Abraham was not circumcised until later in his life and then it was said only to be symbol of the covenant between he and God.
Romans 4:11 "And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also.."
Adam was not circumcised which is no doubt why neither was Abraham before the age of 99.
Genesis 17:24 "And Abraham was ninety years old and nine, when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin."
It was a symbol of the unveiled heart which is open to having faith and allowing God to build on that faith. A highly spiritual thing from the beginning.
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Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
If we believed in Judaism we would be Jews.
We all share a God
Every one does, whether they recognise the fact or not.
Jews as a whole people, believe that they have a covenant with God, that requires them to perform and-or avoid certain acts.
Christians do not believe that these things are necessary, (nor are they required to avoid doing them) nor do they share that covenant with God.
Though we share books of the Old Testament, Christians interpret it very differently, especially in its prophecies in respect of the messiah.
Most Christians follow no dietary laws, no law of circumcision, No laws regarding women's menstruation and none on dress.
Our Morality is very much based on the ten commandments, interpreted in the light of the teachings of Jesus.
Christianity does not even share a single dogma nor a single Bible.
Christianity is an extremely diverse religion, and has been so from the earliest days.
Thank you for the clarification
When you say "most Christians", does that mean that some Christians do perform circumcision as a religious act? If yes, do they have a specific name/classification?
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
Thank you for the clarification
When you say "most Christians", does that mean that some Christians do perform circumcision as a religious act? If yes, do they have a specific name/classification?
Yes it is customary in some North African and African Churches, including Ethopian and Coptic churches. it is a requirement for membership of the Nomiya Church in Kenya. There are probably others among the numerous small Christian sects.
As Circumcision started in Egypt some 3000 years ago it is logical that it is predominately a Middle Eastern African practice.
This is interesting. I've never heard of such a thing.
Is it really couched as a religious beliefs issue, or is it more of a group identity thing?
Tom
Terrywoodenpic
Oldest Heretic
It is a membership thing.