URAVIP2ME – Post 194 said:
But God's purpose will Not fail - Psalm 2 vs 2-12 - as Ecclesiastes 8:9 mentions that man has dominated man to man's hurt or injury.
Indeed, God's purpose will not fail.
God's purpose is, “let them [
man and woman] have dominion..” (Genesis 1: 26)
That man has dominated man to man's hurt or injury will not change that purpose. The kingdom by Christ, in which the 144,000 serve, will be right here on earth where it was originally purposed to be.
God is not about to let Satan's interference ruin that goal. No man who was created to live upon this earth will suddenly be living instead in spirit bodies in the literal heaven of God. Such an idea was never intended from the beginning and no where can such an idea be supported in the Old Testament.
URAVIP2ME – Post 194 said:
There is No indication that the unfaithful nations will stop throwing the Bible behind them, so mankind needs God to step in and He will. According to Isaiah 11 vs 3,4; Revelation 19 vs 11,15 God will have Jesus step in, and Jesus is the only one who will usher in global Peace on Earth among men of goodwill. Since Adam's downfall its been man's purpose to dominate earth independent from God. Mankind's history has proven man can Not establish Peace on Earth.”
The unfaithful governments do not necessarily constitute, “the unfaithful nations”. God will use His power through his chief in command, Jesus Christ, to put an end to those governments. In so far as those unfaithful governments are concerned, their kingdoms (or, ruling authorities) are what is crushed so that no such provincial rule will exist. The kingdom of this present world will be divinely done away with and an extension of God's heavenly kingdom, just as it was originally purposed to be, will take it's place. That is the symbolic “New Jerusalem”, the child of the heavenly Jerusalem “coming down from God out of heaven”, which will bring “the tabernacle of God
with men.” (Revelation 21: 3)
Revelation 21:2 “And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem,
coming down from God
out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.”
“Coming down”, literally descending to exist here on earth.
“Out of heaven”, not as in reigning down, but as in literally coming down and out of, so as to exist right here on earth, “with men”.
As to Jesus, who was originally created to live as a mighty spirit being in the literal heaven of God, that does not mean that he must give up his home in heaven to dwell with men any more than it means that any man who was originally created to live forever upon this earth will go to literally live as Jesus in spirit bodies. That is why there at Revelation 21: 2-3 we see it is the bride coming down as that New Jerusalem and not the groom. The wedding then is the marriage of the earthly body to the heavenly body so that the kingdoms of this world are absorbed into that New Jerusalem who is wed to Christ, wherein, right here on the earth in the flesh, the 144,000 bride class, as Christ's body joined by marriage to him, rule as one with him.
Revelation 11:15 “And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.”
URAVIP2ME – Post 195 said:
P.S. Divine help or rather looking to the United Nations. The UN already sees a hauntingly dangerous religious climate brewing in today's world. With nationalistic backing the UN could be strengthened, but will really prove to be God's modern-day long arm of the law to carry out His justice. The world's religious groups ( including Christendom ) have run afoul in playing false to God and His Word.
This is true.
URAVIP2ME – Post 195 said:
In the past, when ancient Israel turned their backs on God, then God used the political/military world to act against them.
The Babylonians took them into exile, and in the year 70 the Roman armies destroyed apostate Jerusalem and its temple.
So, the political/military pattern is set in place to act against those playing false to God - Revelation chapters 17 and 18
Yes, Christendom has done just as Israel and Judah in placing her trust in the unfaithful governments of man and in a god of military might which none of their fathers knew, rather than placing her trust strictly in One True God, Jehovah.
Pertaining to right here in the flesh upon this earth, it was said of the fleshly Israel that if that Israel would be faithful and obey all that Jehovah their God commanded, then, “ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.” (Exodus 19: 6)
That was purposed to be right here in the flesh and that purpose has not changed, for it is the purpose of Genesis 1: 26-28, that man would share the dominion of this earth under God. And that is what Christ is about; correcting the problems caused of sin which interfered with that being so sooner.
Man has long had difficulty perceiving what it means for God to be here with us: 2 Chronicles 6: 18 “But will God in very deed dwell with men on the earth? behold, heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house which I have built!”
Was Solomon saying there that God will not be with men? No. Solomon was speaking of man's failure to comprehend what God's being with men means.
Solomon's point? 2 Chronicles 6: 14 “And said, Jehovah God of Israel, there is no God like thee in the heaven, nor in the earth; which keeps covenant, and shows mercy unto thy servants, that walk before thee with all their hearts..”
Solomon's prayer was that God forgive Israel her sins and not cast her away from this goal and purpose of being, right here in the flesh, a treasured people to rule in dominion over this entire earth.
But right there is where one could trip over their own feet. We see that God did take away the right of dominion for that original Israel, but does that mean that God took that promise away from all flesh? Romans 11: 2 “God did not cast off his people which he foreknew. Or know ye not what the scripture saith of Elijah? how he pleads with God against Israel” … Romans 11: 5 “Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.”
Is that really a new Israel? No. For those who unrepentantly proved false to that Old Covenant are just like those of whom John tells us, 1 John 2: 19 “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they all are not of us.” Thus: Deuteronomy 32: 5 “They have dealt corruptly with him, they are not his children, it is their blemish; They are a perverse and crooked generation.”
And so we see where Paul gets the following: Romans 9: 6 “But it is not as though the word of God hath come to nought. For they are not all Israel, that are of Israel..” So being born of Jacob does not make one a true Israelite, a name given of God to Jacob and to Jacob's offspring by his right to choose rather than our right to insist.
Romans 9: 7 “neither, because they are Abraham's seed, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.”
Any seed of Jacob would be a seed of Isaac. Therefore, in relation to verse 6, we know the emphasis is not on having to be born as Isaac's seed but on being called by God and chosen of God to be Isaac's seed. God is filtering the seed of Isaac, keeping only the good seed. What, so that they can be made spirit bodied creatures that no longer live on this earth? How ridiculous to think so!
So that these filtered seed are the best ones to restore proper dominion to this earth as one with Christ. Indeed as Christ's one flesh body yet here in the flesh sharing dominion with him. “Let them [man and his helpmeet] have dominion..” (Genesis 1: 26)
I understand that this leaves all sorts of unanswered questions in the minds of those who were taught that the 144,000 go literally to live in heaven with Christ in literal spirit bodies. You would naturally think Revelation contains much which challenges what I have shared to you and you would naturally thing that places as 1 Corinthians chapter 15 do also.
The best I can tell you here and now is that this is because you have missed key pieces of understanding concerning those texts. This reply would become far too long if I explained those things here and now.
