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Vaporisations

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Mindonfire

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Vaporisations

On a previous occasion we learned that the Bible is a holy book which is endowed with three supernatural qualities. If you will recall, the first quality is its ambiguity. The Holy scriptures were purposely written to be ambiguous. This means that the verses of the Bible are capable of being understood in two or more possible senses of ways.

The second is that it has the mystical ability to deliver to the reader the message that he or she desires to see. In other words the Bible possesses the uncanny ability to test the Spirit of the reader. So as a reader wherever your heart and spirit is in respects to reality, will determine the message that you will receive during your studies.

The third quality is the Bible’s use of symbolism. The Holy Bible is symbolic in nature. As we are now aware, in symbolism a material or physical object is used as a sign to represent the immaterial or spiritual universe. Let us now take a closer look at this last quality.

We are now all aware that the Scriptures state that during his second coming Messias will return in a cloud (Rev 1:7). Unfortunately many believers have been taught that this cloud will be the mass of condensed vapors which are seen in our skies. Many do not understand that when the Scriptures speak of clouds, they are speaking symbolically of people. Let us take a look at the various meanings for the word cloud.
Definition Merriam Webster

Cloud: (n) 1 : a visible mass of particles of condensed vapor (as water or ice) suspended in the atmosphere of a planet (as the earth) or moon 2 : something resembling or suggesting a cloud: as a : a light filmy, puffy, or billowy mass seeming to float in the air *a cloud of blond hair* *a ship under a cloud of sail* b (1) : a usually visible mass of minute particles suspended in the air or a gas (2) : an aggregation of usually obscuring matter especially in interstellar space (3) : an aggregate of charged particles (as electrons) c : a great crowd or multitude : SWARM *clouds of mosquitoes*

If you will look closely at the third definition you will see that a cloud may also be; a great crowd or multitude. This is the type of cloud which the Holy Scripture is referring to. Now let us take a quick look at a verse which conveys to us this significance.

Joel.2
[1] Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the LORD cometh, for it is nigh at hand;
[2] A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

If you will look at Joel chap 2:2 you will see that after the author’s description of the day of the Lord ( A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: ) there is a colon. This is important because every jot and tittle in the Scriptures is significant. Let us take a look at the colon’s function.

Definition Merriam Webster
Colon: (N) 2 plural colons a : a punctuation mark : used chiefly to direct attention to matter (as a list, explanation, quotation, or amplification) that follows
As you may see one of the functions of a colon is to direct attention to an explanation or an amplification that follows the subject that is under consideration. Therefore in this verse we see that the subject, {A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains:}, followed by an explanation or amplification of that subject, {a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations}.

These are the crowds of people which inhabit heaven. In this crowd you will also find the armies of heaven which will be released to rain destruction upon the earth. These will gain victory over the Great Deceiver who has invaded the habitation of the Holy One These will come bearing Messias.

“The Two Books are One”
“You have the right to remain ignorant and refuse to gain knowledge.
Anything that you don’t know can and will be used against you in the court of Life“

Ezek.38
[9] Thou shalt ascend and come like a storm, thou shalt be like a cloud to cover the land, thou, and all thy bands, and many people with thee.
[16] And thou shalt come up against my people of Israel, as a cloud to cover the land; it shall be in the latter days, and I will bring thee against my land, that the heathen may know me, when I shall be sanctified in thee, O Gog, before their eyes.
Dan.7
[13] I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Rev.1
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen
2Tim.2
[15] Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.



















 
michel

michel

Administrator Emeritus
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I don't dispute your translation (because I dare say I know less than you), but from:-
http://www.bibleuniverse.com/star_tour/man_from_space01.asp

And then they noticed two men standing there by their side in white apparel—angels no doubt—and these angels said unto them, “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” Acts 1:11. Now this is a very important passage of Scripture. This same Jesus shall so come “in like manner”—how did He go away, friends? First of all, He went up into a cloud, didn’t He? The Scriptures say, “and a cloud received him out of their sight.” Then on the authority of the word of two angels, He’s coming back in a cloud. I’m happy to tell you that the Scripture bears that out in other places. In Revelation 14:14, which we read a moment ago, “I looked and behold a while cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man.” And Revelation 1:7, “Behold, he cometh with clouds;” When that great man, Jesus, comes from outer space, He will come with clouds. The Bible gives us proof positive for that.

Secondly, when He went away, He was visible. It says that they were looking at Him and watching Him steadfastly, so when He comes back again, He will be visible. Please, friends, never let anyone ever tell you differently. He will be seen. Again, Revelation 1:7, “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him.” You see how plain and positive this good Book always is. He will be visible when He returns. Every eye will see Him. Perhaps you say, “Now wait a minute, I just don’t care anything at all about seeing Him. I’m an infidel and I deny His very existence. My friend, even though you may be an infidel, you will see Him. You may deny the existence of God but just the same you’ll see Him. Every eye will see Him. The Scriptures are very plain on that point. You won’t tune in on the radio and see it on television or pick up the paper and discover Christ has come. No, indeed, when He comes you’ll not need anybody to tell you because you’ll see Him.
 
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Mindonfire

Member
michel said:
I don't dispute your translation (because I dare say I know less than you), but from:-
http://www.bibleuniverse.com/star_tour/man_from_space01.asp

And then they noticed two men standing there by their side in white apparel—angels no doubt—and these angels said unto them, “Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.” Acts 1:11. Now this is a very important passage of Scripture. This same Jesus shall so come “in like manner”—how did He go away, friends? First of all, He went up into a cloud, didn’t He? The Scriptures say, “and a cloud received him out of their sight.” Then on the authority of the word of two angels, He’s coming back in a cloud. I’m happy to tell you that the Scripture bears that out in other places. In Revelation 14:14, which we read a moment ago, “I looked and behold a while cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man.” And Revelation 1:7, “Behold, he cometh with clouds;” When that great man, Jesus, comes from outer space, He will come with clouds. The Bible gives us proof positive for that.

Secondly, when He went away, He was visible. It says that they were looking at Him and watching Him steadfastly, so when He comes back again, He will be visible. Please, friends, never let anyone ever tell you differently. He will be seen. Again, Revelation 1:7, “Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see Him.” You see how plain and positive this good Book always is. He will be visible when He returns. Every eye will see Him. Perhaps you say, “Now wait a minute, I just don’t care anything at all about seeing Him. I’m an infidel and I deny His very existence. My friend, even though you may be an infidel, you will see Him. You may deny the existence of God but just the same you’ll see Him. Every eye will see Him. The Scriptures are very plain on that point. You won’t tune in on the radio and see it on television or pick up the paper and discover Christ has come. No, indeed, when He comes you’ll not need anybody to tell you because you’ll see Him.
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Good Day
When Messias returns he will be visible to all. A man can ride a crowd that is dressed in all white, but a man cannot ride a white cloud. When Messias left a crowd of believers dressed in white robes carried him off. Just as when he returns they will carry him to install him as ruler.
Replace cloud with crowd.

Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
 
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may

Well-Known Member
Mindonfire said:


Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, [one] like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
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"I kept on beholding in the visions of the night, and, see there! with the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One. 14 And to him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him. His rulership is an indefinitely lasting rulership that will not pass away, and his kingdom one that will not be brought to ruin. daniel 7;13-14 this was the time when Jesus was made king of the heavenly kingdom goverment in 1914 , yes he has been given rulership ,its all happening in these last days, but the goverments on the earth have yet to be done away with , but Jesus heavenly goverment is set up and ready to go into action
And in the days of those kings(human rulership) the God of heaven will set up a kingdom(and he has in 1914) that will never be brought to ruin. And the kingdom itself will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms,(human rulership) and it itself will stand to times indefinite; Daniel 2;44.... yes its all happening, but is it happening the way we want it too?
 
Mystic-als

Mystic-als

Active Member
Again. Good comment May! What we think will happen and what is happening is most likely to be different.
Just like the Jewish people and Jesus.
 
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