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LDS Contradiction of the Bible. Tenable?

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Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
Scripture quoting atheists, aren't there laws against such nonsense. And no the concept of the Trinity as taught by the catholic church is NOT in the Bible.

Why do you never have anything constructive to say? Participate in the current debate, or don't. Stop beating a drum nobody is listening to.
 
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Skwim

Veteran Member
I agree that in one sense the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three Gods. The term God can be applied to them individually or collectively. The Book of Abraham reference is the only place in scripture, of which I am aware, where they are referred to as "Gods". This is not a contradiction of the other scriptures which name them as one God or Godhead. I consider the Abrahamic reference to be quite instructive as it teaches that while the Father and Son are "one in purpose and unity", they are literally three separate beings, each of which can be called God.
Yeah, awfully confusing.


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  • "The Father God is God"
  • "The Son God is God"
  • "The Holy Spirit God is God"
  • "God is the Father God"
  • "God is the Son God"
  • "God is the Holy Spirit God"
  • "The Father God is not the Son God"
  • "The Father God is not the Holy Spirit God"
  • "The Son God is not the Father God"
  • "The Son God is not the Holy Spirit God"
  • "The Holy Spirit God is not the Father God"
  • "The Holy Spirit God is not the Son God"
Appears to be four gods.
 
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Scott C.

Just one guy
Then why do you apply the label 'christian' to yourselves?

We absolutely believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, our Redeemer, and our Savior. Our belief in the Godhead accentuates, rather than diminishes that belief. The Book of Mormon declares itself as a witness that Jesus is the Christ. All that we believe revolves around that core belief. The Savior is so incredibly important in our doctrine and in our personal lives, that yes we very much Christian.
 

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
We absolutely believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, our Redeemer, and our Savior. Our belief in the Godhead accentuates, rather than diminishes that belief. The Book of Mormon declares itself as a witness that Jesus is the Christ. All that we believe revolves around that core belief. The Savior is so incredibly important in our doctrine and in our personal lives, that yes we very much Christian.

Would Christians concur with this view?
 

Scott C.

Just one guy
Yeah, awfully confusing.


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  • "The Father is God"
  • "The Son is God"
  • "The Holy Spirit is God"
  • "God is the Father"
  • "God is the Son"
  • "God is the Holy Spirit"
  • "The Father is not the Son"
  • "The Father is not the Holy Spirit"
  • "The Son is not the Father"
  • "The Son is not the Holy Spirit"
  • "The Holy Spirit is not the Father"
  • "The Holy Spirit is not the Son"

It's not confusing to me. "God" can refer to the Father, Son, or Holy Ghost individually. Or it can refer to them collectively. I think your chart is an explanation of the Trinity and not Mormon doctrine.
 

Lyndon

"Peace is the answer" quote: GOD, 2014
Premium Member
So now atheists get to decide who's Christian and who isn't??? The doctrine of the Trinity is just one of many Christian theories about the relationship of Jesus and God, you definitely don't have to believe in the Trinity to be called a Christian, that's completely ridiculous, anyone who follows and respects the teachings of Jesus can call themselves Christian. Even Islam is a Christian religion in the sense that they follow and respect the teachings of Jesus, who is not Christian is these muck about debaters trying to tell us who's Christian and who's not.
 

zomg

I aim to misbehave!
1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Where does it say in the bible that Jesus built the earth?
Mormons believe Adam was also involved in creating the Earth. This was before he was put in the Garden of Eden. He was called Michael then.
 

Scott C.

Just one guy
Would Christians concur with Christithis view?

Some Christians know what we believe and therefore accept us as Christian.
Some Christians don't know what we believe and mistakenly think we are not Christian.
Some Christians know what we believe and choose to leave us out of their definition of Christian. They would say that one must accept the Trinity to be Christian. They would say that Mormons believe in "a" Jesus, but sense that Jesus in not part of the Trinity, he must be a "different" Jesus from the Jesus of the Bible. Therefore. Mormons are not Christian as the. y do not believe in the Jesus of the Bible.
My definition of Christian is more liberal than the above. I would say that even though a person believes in the non-biblical Trinity, yet accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior, they qualify as Christian. I will accept that their Jesus and my Jesus is the same person.
 

Scott C.

Just one guy
Mormons believe Adam was also involved in creating the Earth. This was before he was put in the Garden of Eden. He was called Michael then.

Mormons believe that every human being ever born into the world, lived with God before we came here. None of us, including Adam (or Michael) were Gods.
 

Scott C.

Just one guy
Mormons believe that every human being ever born into the world, lived with God before we came here. None of us, including Adam (or Michael) were Gods.

I don't know which Christians will accept what. Clearly, there are doctrinal differences between Mormons and other Christians. But there are differences between all Christian denomination. My point is that I accept others as Christians, even if I don't accept all that they believe. The belief that Jesus is the Son of God is my yardstick for being a Christian.
 

Mycroft

Ministry of Serendipity
I don't know which Christians will accept what. Clearly, there are doctrinal differences between Mormons and other Christians. But there are differences between all Christian denomination. My point is that I accept others as Christians, even if I don't accept all that they believe. The belief that Jesus is the Son of God is my yardstick for being a Christian.

Do you believe that the majority of christians would accept that view?
 

Scott C.

Just one guy
Michael did help create the world did he not?

Yes, but he was not God or a God. God can send me on an errand to help the poor, for example. I don't have to be God, to help him do his work. Nor does he need me to do his work. I'm not Omnipotent, but he is.
Do you believe that the majority of christians would accept that view?

I believe that most Christians who understand what we actually believe about Jesus, how we feel about him in our hearts, and how we apply his teachings to our lives, will readily accept us as Christians, in spite of our doctrinal differences.
 

Skwim

Veteran Member
It's not confusing to me. "God" can refer to the Father, Son, or Holy Ghost individually. Or it can refer to them collectively. I think your chart is an explanation of the Trinity and not Mormon doctrine.
Yeah, I fixed it.

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Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
1 John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.[/quote}So what? Mormons believe they are one, too. It's the way in which they are one that is the issue here.

Where does it say in the bible that Jesus built the earth?
John 1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

"The Word" is most definitely Jesus Christ. He existed from the beginning, was with God in the beginning and was himself God in the beginning. He created everything.

Ephesians 3:8-9 "Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ; And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ..."

God the Father created all things by the hand of His Son.

Colossians 1:12-16 "Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him..."

It is the Father's "dear Son" who created all things that are in heaven and in earth.
 
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