Do you Think the Bible is a Fair Test?

LuisDantas said:

Having read the previous posts, I want to say that I still have no idea of what you mean.

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OK, one way to put it, is the Bible is like a murder mystery and seeing who spends the time to solve it....Yet when many people have been given it upside down, like it is for some form of reward; they've not even started solving the crime.... So is that fair?

wizanda said:

Where is that written?

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Are you kidding?
1 Corinthians 13:5
It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. New International Version
or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. New Living Translation
or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful English Standard Version
does not act unbecomingly; it does not seek its own, is not provoked, does not take into account a wrong suffered New American Standard Bible
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil King James Bible
does not act improperly, is not selfish, is not provoked, and does not keep a record of wrongs. Holman Christian Standard Bible
and she is never rude; she never thinks just of herself or ever gets annoyed. She never is resentful International Standard Version
It is not rude, it is not self-serving, it is not easily angered or resentful. NET Bible
Love does not commit what is shameful, neither does it seek its own; it is not provoked, neither does it entertain evil thoughts Aramaic Bible in Plain English
It isn't rude. It doesn't think about itself. It isn't irritable. It doesn't keep track of wrongs GOD'S WORD® Translation
is not injurious, seeks not her own, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil Jubilee Bible 2000
Does not behave itself rudely, seeks not her own, is not easily provoked, keeps no record of evil King James 2000 Bible
Does not behave itself unseemly, seeks not her own, is not easily provoked, thinks no evil American King James Version
doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil American Standard Version
Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil Douay-Rheims Bible
does not behave in an unseemly manner, does not seek what is its own, is not quickly provoked, does not impute evil Darby Bible Translation
doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not provoked, taketh not account of evil English Revised Version
Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not its own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil Webster's Bible Translation
She does not behave unbecomingly, nor seek to aggrandize herself, nor blaze out in passionate anger, nor brood over wrongs. Weymouth New Testament
doesn't behave itself inappropriately, doesn't seek its own way, is not provoked, takes no account of evil World English Bible
doth not act unseemly, doth not seek its own things, is not provoked, doth not impute evil Young's Literal Translation

Now, if it is OK by you, I will show you an aspect of the evolved human mind. Believers in The Word allows their minds to think "they all say it, thus it must be true". But if the evolved Christian mind really had the mind of Christ, which mind they promote, they would hear their mind saying "the whole world lies in the power of the wicked one". Their evolved mind tells them that God won't allow the wicked one to touch The Word of God even though The Word of God never said that.

Strong's Greek: 3650. ὅλος (holos) -- whole, complete "whole"

wizanda said:

OK, one way to put it, is the Bible is like a murder mystery and seeing who spends the time to solve it....Yet when many people have been given it upside down, like it is for some form of reward; they've not even started solving the crime.... So is that fair?

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WHO is not being played fair according to you?

The Bible is being generated with error and error is not coming from one Bible, or two or three, but coming from ALL Bibles. The Bible is being plagiarized and there is nothing good about plagiarism. How many people are putting faith in plagiarized words? A lot.
It is where the idea that people do well to ignore it comes from I think.

Every Bible believer on the planet is protecting every other Bible believer on the planet from shame.

I shall answer my question to you myself. Jesus isn't being played fair.

First off, I do understand your OP.
Secondly, I don't believe that it is really a ''test''. Ok. backtrach, yes there is a test element to it, but this is probably from necessity, what occurred in the process of the compilation of the Scripture.
I suspect that....
-you are being overly critical of the Gospel of Johanan etc
-you have mistaken what the answers were supposed to be, that weren't explicit.

wizanda said:

OK, one way to put it, is the Bible is like a murder mystery and seeing who spends the time to solve it....Yet when many people have been given it upside down, like it is for some form of reward; they've not even started solving the crime.... So is that fair?

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I guess not. But it is an odd way of describing the Bible, and I have seen quite a variety.

I have heard from many, as if this is set in stone, "God would not allow me to be misled by God's Word [the written word, The Bible]". But I am certain The Bible does not say that. Please correct me, if it does. What it DOES say is

Micah 6:2
"Hear, you mountains, the LORD's accusation; listen, you everlasting foundations of the earth. For the LORD has a case against his people; he is lodging a charge against Israel.

Isaiah 55:7
Let the wicked forsake their ways and the unrighteous their thoughts. Let them turn to the LORD, and he will have mercy on them, and to our God, for he will freely pardon.

Ezekiel 18:27
But if a wicked person turns away from the wickedness they have committed and does what is just and right, they will save their life.

Isaiah 44:22
I have swept away your offenses like a cloud, your sins like the morning mist. Return to me, for I have redeemed you.

Isaiah 1:18
"Come now, let us settle the matter," says the LORD. "Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.

Isaiah 31:6
Return, you Israelites, to the One you have so greatly revolted against.

Isaiah 41:14
Do not be afraid, you worm Jacob, little Israel, do not fear, for I myself will help you," declares the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel.

Isaiah 48:20
Leave Babylon, flee from the Babylonians! Announce this with shouts of joy and proclaim it. Send it out to the ends of the earth; say, "The LORD has redeemed his servant Jacob."

You know, assuming I got a thin grasp of what you mean (always a dicey proposition), you seem to be making the case for Dharma over scripture.

savagewind said:

Are you kidding?

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So for one you said "love does not become provoked"... When it is saying 'Love is not provoked'; yet regardless of the exact wording; Paul's ideology is just blatantly wrong on so many things, it isn't worth counting them all.

So when you're going on about Paul in context of this thread, again like saying 'is it fair' when people don't even realize Paul's one of the people leading everyone astray.

disciple said:

yes there is a test element to it

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'The great deception', The taunting riddle', 'The snare set before the nations', etc...All imply the whole thing is a test; again not realizing the context, so is it fair?

disciple said:

-you are being overly critical of the Gospel of Johanan etc
-you have mistaken what the answers were supposed to be, that weren't explicit.

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Not in the slightest, in fact haven't even done a verse by verse dissection of John; otherwise there would be far more evidence against it...Have enough overwhelming evidence with a basic look; which is then shocking, that no one has noticed in two thousand years.

savagewind said:

But I am certain The Bible does not say that.

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[VERSE]Pro 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.[/VERSE]

LuisDantas said:

you seem to be making the case for Dharma over scripture.

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Depends what context your meaning? If within a universal law of righteousness, then that would be the end result on noticing it is a test in text; otherwise people are clearly the opposite to that, from just following scripture blindly like sheeple or goats who just say butt to everything.

savagewind said:

I do not agree that Atheists are right to ignore the Bible. I think that with their unprejudiced pov they might help believers to fix it. I believe it is broken and needs fixing. Of course, most atheists are prejudiced against it, but if they weren't and because they do not need it to say anything but what it says, they would be invaluable as members of a "multitude of counselors" with no fighting (of course). * I suppose anything is possible.

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As an atheist, I disagree. It's not my job to fix anyone's belief for them. My job is simply to evaluate the belief I'm presented and asked to adopt for its worth and potential contribution to my own life. If christians want to fix their belief, let them. Thomas Jefferson created his own bible, twice. If he can do it, so can any other christian. The fact that this hasn't been done yet ought to tell us something. It tells me that by and large, though they may be uncomfortable with some parts of their belief, christians are in the aggregate okay with it.

savagewind said:

(I did notice that I capitalized Atheists and I wondered why and would fix it but then I saw the originator capitalized it too. ....does anyone know why?)

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I personally don't, just like I don't capitalize christian or muslim or jew or god (which is a job description in my opinion, and not a name).

wizanda said:

Capitalized it as it is a name of a religion, like Christians, etc.

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Theism is a belief in a god or gods. Atheism is the lack of that belief. It's not a religion, though many religious people seem unable to grasp the concept that there are some who require no religion or deity in order to fully live their lives.

Marisa said:

It's not a religion

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A religion by definition, is a group of people with a belief.... It is a belief there is no God. If you wish to challenge it, we can start a new thread on it.

wizanda said:

A religion by definition, is a group of people with a belief.... It is a belief there is no God. If you wish to challenge it, we can start a new thread on it.

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They are not a group.

Marisa said:

As an atheist, I disagree. It's not my job to fix anyone's belief for them. My job is simply to evaluate the belief I'm presented and asked to adopt for its worth and potential contribution to my own life. If christians want to fix their belief, let them. Thomas Jefferson created his own bible, twice. If he can do it, so can any other christian. The fact that this hasn't been done yet ought to tell us something. It tells me that by and large, though they may be uncomfortable with some parts of their belief, christians are in the aggregate okay with it.

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But what we have we give to the next generation. I think it is selfish to give them something tainted.
(I have considered writing a Bible and I might someday). I am as certain as certain can be that no one will read it. So then I think "why am I doing this?" LOL

wizanda said:

A religion by definition, is a group of people with a belief.... It is a belief there is no God. If you wish to challenge it, we can start a new thread on it.

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We don't need a whole thread. I'm sure there are plenty for you to peruse at your leisure. I can sum them all up thusly: atheism is a religion like "off" is a TV channel, like "bald" is a hair color, like "not collecting stamps" is a hobby, like "not playing golf" is a sport.

savagewind said:

But what we have we give to the next generation. I think it is selfish to give them something tainted.
(I have considered writing a Bible and I might someday). I am as certain as certain can be that no one will read it. So then I think "why am I doing this?" LOL

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If you're a believer, then great! I fully support you in your endeavors. Just don't expect me, the atheist, to do it for you. You can consult me if you like on the parts I find unacceptable, just don't expect me to do the work for you. LOL

Marisa said:

If you're a believer, then great! I fully support you in your endeavors. Just don't expect me, the atheist, to do it for you. You can consult me if you like on the parts I find unacceptable, just don't expect me to do the work for you. LOL

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Yes, that is what I said. Thank you.

savagewind said:

They are not a group.

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Seriously?

Marisa said:

We don't need a whole thread. I'm sure there are plenty for you to peruse at your leisure. I can sum them all up thusly: atheism is a religion like "off" is a TV channel, like "bald" is a hair color, like "not collecting stamps" is a hobby, like "not playing golf" is a sport.

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Wow you must have read that from the Atheist Bible, as heard that dogma word for word, countless times in Atheist chat rooms; clearly we need a new thread, since it is so confusing too many.

If Jedi is classed as a religion; anything where a group of people have a set belief can be classed as a religion. We could have the flying spaghetti monster religion; where every Monday we meet in a field, and chuck spaghetti at each other naked. That would be classed as a religion; if there was enough of us believing it.

wizanda said:

Seriously?
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I say use a dictionary. There are plenty on line.

savagewind said:

I say use a dictionary. There are plenty on line.

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Yes i would as well, it might help you.

Group = a number of people or things that are located, gathered, or classed together.
Religion = a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects.

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