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Some differences between the Æsir and the Olympian gods

Salek Atesh

Active Member
But he didn't break his oath. He said that if they don't release him, Fenrir could have his hand. Fenrir got his hand.

"Yet remains that one of the Æsir who is called Týr: he is most daring, and best in stoutness of heart, and he has much authority over victory in battle; it is good for men of valor to invoke him. It is a proverb, that he is Týr-valiant, who surpasses other men and does not waver. He is wise, so that it is also said, that he that is wisest is Týr-prudent. This is one token of his daring: when the Æsir enticed Fenris-Wolf to take upon him the fetter Gleipnir, the wolf did not believe them, that they would loose him, until they laid Týr's hand into his mouth as a pledge. But when the Æsir would not loose him, then he bit off the hand at the place now called 'the wolf's joint;' and Týr is one-handed, and is not called a reconciler of men." -Prose Edda, Gylfaginning, Chapter 25 (emphasis added)

That was not the deal. The Gods promised to free Fenrir, and had the God of Oaths place his arm in his mouth as a sign of good faith, as proof that they would untie him as they swore to do. It was not a case of "untie me or I get your arm", but rather, "give me your arm as a sign that you will keep your word to untie me." Tyr is the one to risk his arm, for Tyr is God of Oaths, and thus Fenrir thinks Tyr cannot possibly decieve him.

The arm was like a clause on a contract, dictating what would happen if the Aesir failed to uphold their end of the deal.

But Tyr does decieve, and as Prose Edda states, Tyr is now one-handed and is not a reconsiler of men. He's lost his domain over Oaths.

Edit: Another translation, possibly clearer, reads that Tyr is "not considered to be a promoter of settlements between people". Prose Edda is clear: Tyr severed his connection with Oathmaking.
 
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Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
"Yet remains that one of the Æsir who is called Týr: he is most daring, and best in stoutness of heart, and he has much authority over victory in battle; it is good for men of valor to invoke him. It is a proverb, that he is Týr-valiant, who surpasses other men and does not waver. He is wise, so that it is also said, that he that is wisest is Týr-prudent. This is one token of his daring: when the Æsir enticed Fenris-Wolf to take upon him the fetter Gleipnir, the wolf did not believe them, that they would loose him, until they laid Týr's hand into his mouth as a pledge. But when the Æsir would not loose him, then he bit off the hand at the place now called 'the wolf's joint;' and Týr is one-handed, and is not called a reconciler of men." -Prose Edda, Gylfaginning, Chapter 25 (emphasis added)

That was not the deal. The Gods promised to free Fenrir, and had the God of Oaths place his arm in his mouth as a sign of good faith, as proof that they would untie him as they swore to do. It was not a case of "untie me or I get your arm", but rather, "give me your arm as a sign that you will keep your word to untie me." Tyr is the one to risk his arm, for Tyr is God of Oaths, and thus Fenrir thinks Tyr cannot possibly decieve him.

The arm was like a clause on a contract, dictating what would happen if the Aesir failed to uphold their end of the deal.

But Tyr does decieve, and as Prose Edda states, Tyr is now one-handed and is not a reconsiler of men. He's lost his domain over Oaths.

Edit: Another translation, possibly clearer, reads that Tyr is "not considered to be a promoter of settlements between people". Prose Edda is clear: Tyr severed his connection with Oathmaking.
Hum, I stand corrected. Though I know for fact that Tyr was still used for oath-swearing(specifically at the Things in Iceland), regardless of what the Eddas say.
 

Jainarayan

ॐ नमो भगवते वासुदेवाय
Staff member
Premium Member
It depends entirely on the translation. Snorri Sturluson is known for taking liberties when compiling the Prose Edda. The Gods did not force or coerce Týr to offer his hand. He did it of his own accord after Fenrir asked for that pledge (Anthony Faulkes's translation). Given the plethora of translations, interpretations and commentaries on both the Poetic Edda and Prose Edda this could easily turn into a debate. I'd consult H.R. Ellis-Davidson for a better idea of Týr's role. H.R. Ellis-Davidson is probably the preeminent authority and commentator on the body of Norse texts.
 

Riverwolf

Amateur Rambler / Proud Ergi
Premium Member
Hum, I stand corrected. Though I know for fact that Tyr was still used for oath-swearing(specifically at the Things in Iceland), regardless of what the Eddas say.

Heck, I've heard it said that it's the reason why we in the States (don't know about European countries) hold up our hands when swearing oaths.
 

Nietzsche

The Last Prussian
Premium Member
Heck, I've heard it said that it's the reason why we in the States (don't know about European countries) hold up our hands when swearing oaths.
That is actually true, but it's not just us in the states, it's the Anglophone culture in general. We also get the exchange of rings for marriage from Norse-Germanic society.
 
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