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Are there any contradictions in the Bible?

truthofscripture

Active Member
Hey, I hear what you are saying, but your assumptions are not correct.

I believe every original scripture word that God gave us. More than anyone I know. I can talk to someone who professes to be a "Christian" and within minutes find scripture they do not believe. It doesn't matter who they are or what titles they have. The only way any of us can believe any of it is if God himself as Christ in our hearts GIVES us his very own belief. Hebrews 12:2 Until this occurs, we are simply worshipping a god of our own imagination or the god they teach us on Sunday (that has been created for 2000 years and packaged nicely into "8 or 10 neat little doctrines" you must believe)

Here is the truth. God's Word is TWO versions. The TRUE one is LIVING and NOT on the pages of any paper or books. God's living Word is his SON and his spiritual words are SHARP and PIERCING right down to the dividing of your very soul and spirit. Everything he speaks in the hidden realms of the spirit is 100% true and 100% accurate and unfailing. It is impossible for them NOT to fail. This is contrary to all the unbelief that is being taught in Churches all over today. They teach unbelief every Sunday.

Here are just a few of the "doctrines of deception and unbelief" that the people are taught every Sunday of which scripture DESTROYS!

"Man's will is simply too powerful for almighty God". They teach people that man's puny human will can somehow block or trump God's sovereign, almighty will. HILARIOUS! This "man" will DIE with his puny "human will" or what they call "free will". This is a LIE that keeps them from seeing the truth. I could dig up tons of scripture to prove this lie, but no one under it will believe them.

People don't know that they are made up of TWO people. One "inner" (spiritual) and one "outer" (natural). What we call "free will" or "human will" will be totally destroyed by God in the process of death. Once this false outer man is consumed, their TRUE person WILL see and accept God's gift of eternal life. No one can reject it and "ALL flesh will see and accept God's salvation". Luke 3:6.

Now, the unbelieving mind will immediately FIND A WAY TO NOT BELIEVE THAT. I have one of these two that battle with. The first thought will be "yes they will see it, but not ACCEPT IT". See that is a person who simply does not know God nor his power. They are in pride and arrogance put their own heart and mind above God's! This is taught EVERY Sunday by Bible teachers who are themselves living in darkness and unbelief.

Here is another one your Pastor or Bible teacher will convince you not to believe.

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive 1 Cor 15:22

They will even go to radical extremes and somehow say the Greek word "Pas" sometimes means all (as in everyone) and sometimes it means "some". Maybe in the natural mind of MAN under law, but not in Gods mind where ONE WORD always MEANS one thing. They are blind as they don't realize GOD IS OUTSIDE OF TIME and AGES. There is no "sometimes" with God. His word is ALWAYS the same as it is ETERNAL and for ALL TIMES.

The Greek word "pas" means "a single whole with no part missing". (It can only mean ONE thing also as God is not a hypocrite who changes definitions)

Friend, believe it or not, I am actually DOING YOU A FAVOR by pointing out the "contradictions" in the Bible. Until we see and recognize that they are there, we will be in denial and will not be able to see the MOST GLORIOUS truth!

But first, there is some "tough medicine" to swallow.

We have been taught lies since birth about God's Word.

His written "Word" does NOT pertain to this current, physical realm ... .YET! The events we read about are NOT about the physical realm of the natural body where we are. Man we are so blinded by the law that was written on our hearts and minds in "the garden".

Friend, here is the secret and I will spell it plainly.

God's written Word is SPIRITUAL and each written "word" is a "sign" that points to an aspect OF JESUS CHRIST (the LIVING WORD) in the hidden SPIRITUAL realms of Earth and NOT the physical realm of the current age, time and natural body.

Those will ALL DIE and pass away to be replaced by the TRUE versions that are still hidden. These things will not fit into an "old wineskin" however. You must let go of all the things you see from the natural body. You must open your mind and imagination and "become as a child" who can dream and imagine. Once you do, you will be amazed and in total AWE of God. You will wake up to the TRUE REALITY of the following:

The entire Bible is about the realms of our SPIRITUAL man who is a SOUL and a SPIRIT. God knows this man personally and we don't as we are on the "outside" yet. THIS is where the entire OLD Testament and New testament is occuring! That's right, BOTH are occuring at the SAME TIME right now all around us.

See, try telling that to your pastor on Sunday. he will laugh you out of the building. He will talk you into unbelief by CONVINCING you that God's word only applies this current physical world we see.

FUNNY!

That will all be destroyed in the HUGE FIRE! This entire world including our natural bodies and lives are a LIVING SACRIFICE and a Burnt offering off "the woman" of Genesis 3. God himself put us under law as we HAVE to die fully to "self" and the flesh in order to see and accept TRUE righteousness AS A 100% GIFT! Until we fully die, we are under law trying to "read our Bibles" and "live morally" and "attend Church" in order to OBTAIN righteousness. This is ALL works of the flesh if anyone thinks they get ANYTHING from doing these things. There is NOTHING wrong with them if you feel led, but don't think they give you .00000000001 % righteousness or do anything towards your "sin".

So, here is the key that I have NOT written about yet on my blog.

The "4 gospels" are about the salvation of the ENTIRE SPIRITUAL man who is the Son of God Jesus Christ. We think man has "3" parts of Spirit, soul and body. There is a HIDDEN 4th part called our "master Spirit". See Romans 6. This is our spiritual HEAD who is in complete control of our spirit man. This HEAD is Christ and God the father himself! So, man is single "being" who is 4 parts. Body, soul, spirit and master spirit. All 4 parts need redemption. We are only aware of the part of the "body" which is our physical world. However there is a HUGE, endless other parts of "soul" and "spirit". We don't know where these are but God does and parts of us (spirit and soul) are THERE NOW while our body is "outside".

But, see your Pastor or Christian bible teacher will NOT teach these hidden and MORE TRUE parts. They will stick to the body only teaching "natural" things. The things we can see and touch. This is the way of the natural mind. It does not know or see the HIDDEN and true things of God as they are "foolishness" to him. 1 Cor 2:14. This is the "outer man" of ALL of us! 2 Cor 4:16 We all have one as it's part of our "body of sin" that is wrapped in the spiritual "dust" (darkness) of Genesis 2 and 3. We must overcome it and begin to actually TRY TO BELIEVE scripture EXACTLY as it says.

Back to the 4 gospels. Were they written by 4 normal human men like you and i of today?

I don't believe so. They were spiritual men who are the 4 parts of the spiritual body of Jesus Christ. I am convinced they are related to the 4 part body of man in Genesis 2:20 (the 4th hidden part is the man NAMED "Adam") and are also related to "Peter", "James", "John" and "Jesus" himself. If they were normal men in normal fleshly bodies, they would have made many mistakes.

And I am 100% convinced there are NO errors in God's true words of scripture.

They are not written by "4 human men" who "sometimes make mistakes". There are NO MISTAKES or ERRORS! It's impossible. However, there are HUNDREDS of contradictions if not thousands.

HOW?

Because they EACH TAKE PLACE in the 4 DIFFERENT PARTS of spiritual MAN!

Matthew is the view from the realm of the body.
Mark is the view from the realm of man's spirit
Luke is split because it is our soul and our soul is DIVIDED into "inner" (spirit) and "outer" natural body.
John is different because he is the HIGHEST revelation from the HIGHEST truth and realm of man - the MASTER spirit.

Every word is precisely placed and master-crafted by God himself and will take place at the exact time for each and every person living. Every verse "number" is part of God's master plan and spiritual "number system". I could tell you more, but that's too much.

Why are their contradictions?

Because some parts of man are under HIGHER law than others. The body of man is under the highest law. This is why Matthew has the most law-based wording of the Old Covenant saying "do to become". Of course, this is impossible without faith that it is God who is actually doing it. Otherwise, it is DO TO DIE. That is what is occuring in "Christianity today". Most are dying. Most are "doing to become". They are focusing on death itself - this world and this body. They don't (yet) see life which is hidden and is appearing from within for those with faith.

So, you will not see or believe any of this until you start believing the very words of scripture instead of what your favorite Bible teacher tells you to believe (really to NOT believe!)

Until you spend time GRAPPLING and "WRESTLING" with God over the obvious "contraditions" and admit his word IS 100% true and unfailing, you will not see the truth. You will be living in the darkness of hypocrisy which is taught every Sunday.

It's sad. They call themselves "teachers" yet they don't believe the very words of scripture themselves. Worse yet, they have hundreds if not THOUSANDS of "followers" who put THEM on a pedistal and really worship THEM and not God. This keeps them in BLINDNESS TOO.

I say WOE THESE PHARISEES who are under law. Matthew 23 is for them and it's coming my friend. It's not going to be pretty when God destroys the body and this world. He will first SPEAK VERY STRONG words against the current religious pharisees (Bible teachers) who are keeping the poeple under law and works of the law so they can continue to be worshipped and "take the places of honor" at the tables. I pray that AS MANY of us as possible have finally WOKEN up from the "DUST of our dead (spiritual) bodies" and rose to be with him in our spirit and inner SOUL MAN before this occurs.

He will pour out his powerful spirit and HOLY FIRE upon the entire World. All will be SALTED WITH FIRE. Mark 9:49. I have had the "hell" kicked out of me in my life. He uses all that to keep me at his feet and at his attention. I wander, but he puts me back in darkness and I come back to him. My personal "hell" will continue until Romans 8:23 is fulfilled and we finally recieve the "adoption" which is the REDEMPTION of our bodies.

Huge and GLORIOUS things are coming my friend as God reveals himself and his SOn to the world. Before this can happen, all the strongholds of darkness and religion must come down and be destroyed. This is anything we "do" to obtain any righteousness or try to get rid of our "sins" no matter how righteous it appears. Even church attendance.

The true walk with Christ is just you and him in solitude (while in the natural body of the flesh). No following any other human will get you in, but it is wise to listen to all peoples words and ponder them deeply.

A truly mature spiritual person knows how to fully discern between good and evil and doesn't fear evil. They know Satan is a servent of God's perfect law and perfect righteousness and holiness. They know "Satan" is merely a part of the father himself "wrapped in the dark dust under law" charged with "carrying out the law" which will KILL all natural things and reveal their TRUE spiritual version within the who is CHRIST himself.

When this occurs, we have finally and fully "died to the law" and surrendered to Christ. We will go wherever he wants us to and do whatever he wants. We know do do otherwise, would mean more "death to self". When we live from his spirit inside us, this is TRUE life. There truly is NO INDIVIDUAL "self" that is separate from God. And if we think there is, that part of us will die as it is "the flesh" that will be "circumcized away" on the "8th spiritual day". Christ IS OUR LIFE and we are all part of his body. Gal 2:20, 1 Cor 12:12, Romans 12:4, 1 Cor 12:13 It's just that ALL of us are still dying outwardly, but some select few have "crossed over" inside to the realms of life.

There is a HUGE judgement and "accounting" coming. He is now "separating the sheep from the goats". The sheep will go with him and the goats will be under HEAVIER spiritual law and darkness once he removes the part of his believing body from the earth (the wheat). The "tares" will be further refined in the hot, spiritual fire of the coming age.

So, I am sure this will sound utterly crazy to most who read this. This is all in scripture. You just have to stop thinking God is limited to man's time, ages and spiritual darkness. God is ONE and all things are inside him. he never changes and if it appears he does, you need to dig for a higher truth.

Also, for him there is NO separation between Genesis 1:1 and Revelation 22:21. Try setting aside the false doctrines we all have been fed since little children and asking God "how can the Bible be ONE SINGLE, co-hesive truth from beginning to end"? How can each of his words NEVER fail? God is revealing that to me even now and showing me how the first 5 books of the "jewish bible" truly go together. They are NOT separated into "books". They all work together as "one" with all the other books integrated as well. They all come together in the single spiritual man of Jesus Christ. No one can see this in the first 5 books unless they first understand the new covenant and how God's word really works.

The time is coming though. I see it in the "numbers". They are his secret symbol or pointer. Man thinks "God just put them there for our convenience". That may be somewhat true, but they have a MUCH deeper meaning. God doesn't do anything without it fitting into his powerful and eternal redemptive purpose.

If I were you I would toss all non-literal translations of God's Word and download the wonderful "ISA" or Inner-linear Scripture analyzer at www.scripture4all.com and begin studying what the actual original words of scripture say. Then, start believing them even if you don't know "how?". God will fill all that in as you ask him and wait.

God bless and if I can help in any way, let me know.
Having compared most English translations of God's word, to any available original texts, I have concluded that only two or three exist that are accurate in English. The ones that are inaccurate, have contradictions. They stem from the hundreds of mistranslated words, deliberately put in by a King, his parliament, a pagan emperor, and others who changed things to fit their political agenda or their beliefs that differ from what God said to us. They're all deliberate, and are actually inspired by God's opposer, Satan. The scriptures when accurately translated to not contradict eachother.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
Having compared most English translations of God's word, to any available original texts, I have concluded that only two or three exist that are accurate in English. The ones that are inaccurate, have contradictions. They stem from the hundreds of mistranslated words, deliberately put in by a King, his parliament, a pagan emperor, and others who changed things to fit their political agenda or their beliefs that differ from what God said to us. They're all deliberate, and are actually inspired by God's opposer, Satan. The scriptures when accurately translated to not contradict eachother.
I call B.S. There are no "original texts." The earliest texts we have are in Hebrew and Greek, and require skilled translators. The term "accurate" is somewhat misleading, as many Hebrew and Greek words and phrases have no English equivalent, and so concessions must be made in order to keep the meaning as closely as is possible. No one deliberately mistranslated anything. All correctly translated texts contain some contradiction of both fact and meaning.
 

truthofscripture

Active Member
english, king james
That explains quite a lot. KJV is one of the WORST translations one could ever use as far as an accurate translation goes. It is not even my last choice. Try Young's Literal translation, the Orthodox Jewish Bible, or the NWT. Then see if you see those so-called contradictions.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Having compared most English translations of God's word, to any available original texts, I have concluded that only two or three exist that are accurate in English.
So, you are a linguist? You know ancient Greek, and languages much older? You've spent countless hours studying all the cultural contexts to better understand the original languages of the Bible to know which English one's are accurate?
And what about the reality that there is no such thing as a 100% accurate translation because languages have words that represent ideas and concepts that do not translate into other languages?
 
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Vishvavajra

Active Member
JWs like to talk a good game about Biblical knowledge, but some of the goofs are really exceedingly amateurish. For example, there's really only one major lexicon of ancient Greek, the LSJ, from which all other lexica are adapted. And anybody who looks up σταῦρος is going to see that it also means cross and find attestations to that effect, so insisting on rendering it stake or pole is just bizarre. It takes inside of a minute to find out that that little sticking point is based on a whole lot of nothing.

And then there's the "Jehovah" thing. It's true that the Judaic god has a proper name, but that's not it. It comes from people's not realizing that the vowel points in the Tetragrammaton are those of Adonai, which in Jewish rabbinic tradition is read in place of Yhwh, and which is the source of the Christian tradition of substituting the Greek translation of Adonai, which is Kyrios (Lord). Based on linguistic factors and attestation in ancient Greek sources, the modern consensus is that the name would have been pronounced Yahweh. Absolutely nobody these days thinks that "Jehovah" is a proper word.

And of course they like to talk up their pet translation, in which things have been made to fit with their particular doctrines, as if that proved anything. See, the thing about translation is that a certain amount of interpretation goes into it from the very beginning. There is no such thing as a wholly non-interpretive translation. The NWT supports JW doctrines, Catholic Bibles support Catholic doctrines, the NIV supports Evangelical Protestant doctrines, and so forth. I have the Oxford Annotated version of the NRSV on my shelf, and even it it's not quite rigorous enough for my tastes, as in attempting to please various parties it ends up interpolating certain things from tradition that aren't really supported in the text itself. Fortunately, I can read the original Greek (not Hebrew or Aramaic though, sadly).
 
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truthofscripture

Active Member
So, you are a linguist? You know ancient Greek, and languages much older? You've spent countless hours studying all the cultural contexts to better understand the original languages of the Bible to know which English one's are accurate?
And what about the reality that there is no such thing as a 100% accurate translation because languages have words that represent ideas and concepts that do not translate into other languages?
I have compared almost all English translations to as many existing original texts as exist for accuracy.
 

pro4life

Member
That explains quite a lot. KJV is one of the WORST translations one could ever use as far as an accurate translation goes. It is not even my last choice. Try Young's Literal translation, the Orthodox Jewish Bible, or the NWT. Then see if you see those so-called contradictions.

It doesn't matter what choice of words am reading, the meaning all should be the same.
 

truthofscripture

Active Member
It doesn't matter what choice of words am reading, the meaning all should be the same.
Most certainly not. changing one word can change the ENTIRE meaning of a sentence, paragraph, or an entire letter. Their deliberate mistranslations have prevented countless millions from knowing Jehovah's personal name. It's had countless millions believing in a fiery hell, when one doesn't exist. It's had countless millions believing that Jesus began a church, when he never did. It has countless millions believing Jesus died on a cross, when he died on a torture stake. Just look around you. Most have on a cross. It's pagan and has NOTHING whatsoever to do with Jesus.
 

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
JWs like to talk a good game about Biblical knowledge, but some of the goofs are really exceedingly amateurish. For example, there's really only one major lexicon of ancient Greek, the LSJ, from which all other lexica are adapted. And anybody who looks up σταῦρος is going to see that it also means cross and find attestations to that effect, so insisting on rendering it stake or pole is just bizarre. It takes inside of a minute to find out that that little sticking point is based on a whole lot of nothing.

Or a whole lot of something insulting to God and his son......

Words with Heathen Origins in the Scriptures
(From a non- JW source)

And then there's the "Jehovah" thing. It's true that the Judaic god has a proper name, but that's not it. It comes from people's not realizing that the vowel points in the Tetragrammaton are those of Adonai, which in Jewish rabbinic tradition is read in place of Yhwh, and which is the source of the Christian tradition of substituting the Greek translation of Adonai, which is Kyrios (Lord). Based on linguistic factors and attestation in ancient Greek sources, the modern consensus is that the name would have been pronounced Yahweh. Absolutely nobody these days thinks that "Jehovah" is a proper word.

The name of God is not only translated into English....a fact that many seem to overlook. Since the creator is also the inventor of language, why do we assume that he has a problem recognising his own name in any language?

If people have a problem with the "J" word, then perhaps they need to retranslate every Bible that contains any name beginning with a "J" since there was no "J" in Hebrew. Most of the "J " names just happen to incorporate the name of Jehovah, so Jeremiah, Jehoshaphat, Jehoash, Jehonadab, and a bunch of others all use part of the divine name in their meaning....yet the divine name itself has been removed. That is a little bit hypocritical isn't it?

The removal and substitution of God's name from his own word is a travesty. It has kept millions from "hallowing" that precious name as Jesus instructed. God's name is not one given to him by men...it is a name revealed to man by God himself....a name that he said was to be his "memorial" FOREVER. (Ex 3:13-15)

When Jesus said "hallowed be thy name"...he did not say "hallowed be thy title". Neither "God" nor "Lord" is a name.

And of course they like to talk up their pet translation, in which things have been made to fit with their particular doctrines, as if that proved anything.

But of course no one else has a pet translation that is full of errors though, do they......that can't happen to you. LOL

See, the thing about translation is that a certain amount of interpretation goes into it from the very beginning. There is no such thing as a wholly non-interpretive translation. The NWT supports JW doctrines, Catholic Bibles support Catholic doctrines, the NIV supports Evangelical Protestant doctrines, and so forth. I have the Oxford Annotated version of the NRSV on my shelf, and even it it's not quite rigorous enough for my tastes, as in attempting to please various parties it ends up interpolating certain things from tradition that aren't really supported in the text itself. Fortunately, I can read the original Greek (not Hebrew or Aramaic though, sadly).

Pre-conceived ideas drive translation and you know it. When you study the scriptures and realize how much bias there is in translation, you have to be ready to compare the many translations out there.

The link posted above is one such resource.

Index of 100+ Versions of the Scriptures

Jason BeDuhn also wrote the book "Truth in Translation" where he compared nine of the most popular translations used by people today.

Jason BeDuhn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The NWT was found to be one of the least biased in its renderings. We allowed the original language to speak for itself, rather than to try and squeeze our own ideas into the text. It is Christendom who has altered the text to suit their false beliefs.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
I have compared almost all English translations to as many existing original texts as exist for accuracy.
That doesn't answer my question. A translation of the original scripts is a monumental undertaking. You make it sound easy, but theater and philosophy PhDs often argue over the exact meaning of certain words.
There is no such thing as a 100% accurate translation going from any one language to another. Even with modern languages, such as German and English, if you have five people translate the same document you will get five varying translations.
 

Vishvavajra

Active Member
The name of God is not only translated into English....a fact that many seem to overlook. Since the creator is also the inventor of language, why do we assume that he has a problem recognising his own name in any language?

If people have a problem with the "J" word, then perhaps they need to retranslate every Bible that contains any name beginning with a "J" since there was no "J" in Hebrew. Most of the "J " names just happen to incorporate the name of Jehovah, so Jeremiah, Jehoshaphat, Jehoash, Jehonadab, and a bunch of others all use part of the divine name in their meaning....yet the divine name itself has been removed. That is a little bit hypocritical isn't it?

The removal and substitution of God's name from his own word is a travesty. It has kept millions from "hallowing" that precious name as Jesus instructed. God's name is not one given to him by men...it is a name revealed to man by God himself....a name that he said was to be his "memorial" FOREVER. (Ex 3:13-15)

When Jesus said "hallowed be thy name"...he did not say "hallowed be thy title". Neither "God" nor "Lord" is a name.
Believe it or not, I'm actually on your side on that. The Judaic god's name is Yahweh, and the prohibition against saying it aloud was obviously not always in place. The problem with "Jehovah" isn't the first letter, which is a standard way of representing the yod in English names; it's the fact that the vowels are all wrong, having been taken from a separate word altogether.

I would be fine with rendering the Tetragrammaton as Yahweh. On the other hand, the JW translation renders "Jehovah" even in places that never actually had the name but the Greek Kyrios instead. I can see the logic behind that (Kyrios evolved from a euphemistic use of Adonai in order to avoid uttering the name Yahweh), but when the fact remains that the name was never present as such in those passages to begin with. And it's debatable whether the Father of Jesus can really be encapsulated in the ancient Semitic war god Yahweh, but that's another discussion altogether.
 

JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
Forgive me Vishvavajra, but your screen name does not appear to be Christian. I was imagining you to be Hindu actually. Can you explain your name for me please?

Believe it or not, I'm actually on your side on that. The Judaic god's name is Yahweh, and the prohibition against saying it aloud was obviously not always in place. The problem with "Jehovah" isn't the first letter, which is a standard way of representing the yod in English names; it's the fact that the vowels are all wrong, having been taken from a separate word altogether.

The divine name was what God told Moses in Ex 3:14, 15. YHWH we know is the Tetragrammaton, but its pronunciation was lost because of a Jewish superstition. There was no such superstition when the Bible writers freely used and wrote God's name with reverence and honor. (Psalm 83:18)

I somehow feel that for some Jews it was easier not to break the law on taking God's name in vain by simply removing it.

I would be fine with rendering the Tetragrammaton as Yahweh. On the other hand, the JW translation renders "Jehovah" even in places that never actually had the name but the Greek Kyrios instead. I can see the logic behind that (Kyrios evolved from a euphemistic use of Adonai in order to avoid uttering the name Yahweh) but when the fact remains that the name was never present as such in those passages to begin with.

I have no problem with "Yahweh" either except that it is a transliteration rather than an translation. The reason that we have kept "Jehovah", is that it is the translation of the divine name in English...it keeps the meaning, whereas "Yahweh" is only thought to be how the Jews may have pronounced The divine name. I believe you give up something precious when you do that.

As for the inclusion of the divine name in the Greek, we make no apology for that. When the writers of the NT quoted from the OT and the Tetragrammaton was included in the text, we believe that it rightly belongs there. Substituting God's name with his titles opened the way for The Lord God Jehovah to be confused with The Lord Jesus Christ. The blurring of that line resulted in the trinity being read into various texts when no such teaching is contained in scripture. (John 17:3)

An example of where the Tetragrammaton should be read in the NT, was when Jesus got up in the synagogue to read the prophesy in Isaiah, the Tetragrammaton was included in the reading. So do you believe that the son of God, who said he had come "to make his Father's name known" would have followed Jewish superstition and not read God's wonderful name into the text? (Luke 14:16-21)

And it's debatable whether the Father of Jesus can really be encapsulated in the ancient Semitic war god Yahweh, but that's another discussion altogether.

I have heard others try to imply that the God of the ancient Jews may not be the same god as the one Christ promoted, but I can assure you that he is. Trying to get our heads around the barbarity of those times is difficult, but Jesus came to put all that behind us. Some things were necessary for the times and for God's reputation and purpose. He could not be seen as weak or inferior to the gods of the nations. This was necessary for his own people to put faith in him as the true God.
 
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JayJayDee

Avid JW Bible Student
JustWondering said:
So if the bible is twisted and cannot be trusted, how does anyone know what is truth and what is made up nonsense?

All you have to do is know what the Bible teaches as opposed to what the churches teach.....then you know what the made up nonsense is.

Did the founder of JW's dig up golden plates with the real story on them that he translated using magic rocks like the founder of the Mormon Church?

No actually, we make no such claim. So is this a response to my post or are you just out to rubbish JW's?

If you have no real answers, just say so....I have no desire to waste my time any more than you do. We are on a debate forum here....do you have something to debate?

But you do understand that Jesus was viewed as a sort of Jewish cult leader, don't you? The Pharisees made sure that there were lots of false witnesses against Jesus, and applied enough pressure to ensure that Pilate handed him over for execution, even though he had broken no law.....and they beat up and imprisoned his apostles on a regular basis.

The devil was never going to allow Jesus true disciples to be well spoken of, was he? ( John 15:18-21)
 
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Vishvavajra

Active Member
Forgive me Vishvavajra, but your screen name does not appear to be Christian. I was imagining you to be Hindu actually. Can you explain your name for me please?
It's a Sanskrit word meaning "double thunderbolt," which is a reference to my avatar, a cross made of two thunderbolts, as imagined in the classical Indian style. I don't know of a Hindu use of this particular image; it is Buddhist in origin. As for its purpose, it's actually to remind me of certain things, rather than to signal a particular affiliation. I could say more, but the sorts of things it's meant to remind me of are, I believe, the sorts of things that you would very much not like to hear, given your hardline purist/separatist outlook.

Is "JayJayDee" a Christian name, then?
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
When the writers of the NT quoted from the OT and the Tetragrammaton was included in the text, we believe that it rightly belongs there. Substituting God's name for his titles opened the way for The Lord God Jehovah to be confused with The Lord Jesus Christ.
Problem with this logic is that the LXX was written 300 before Jesus, and the word used in that text is "Lord." The fact the Paul, when writing his letters, calls Jesus by the same term, really says something about how Paul (and the rest of the NT writers and authorities) viewed Jesus.
 
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