Are there any contradictions in the Bible?

Vishvavajra · Mar 26, 2015

truthofscripture said:
The Christian Congregation was founded in the first century by Jesus the Christ. The same congregation today operates under the Watchtower society of Pennsylvania as a legal entity, but it's the same congregation, doing EXACTLY the same as the original members of this congregation did so long ago. Shame a legal entity need to be created in modern times to function. I am not blinded by Satan. So your "clearly" comment is a lie on your part. The watchtower society is not a religion or a sect of the original congregation, it IS the original congregation. The one true faith that Jesus taught. The one he was sent to Earth to create. It is you who is blinded by Satan. If you had an honest heart, truly desired to be close to God, and worked at that end, God would remove the blind over your understanding that Satan has put over you and almost all of the world, then you would understand the scriptures. It's impossible to do so otherwise. Claiming that you understand, when you clearly do not, doesn't change anything. It doesn't change your hypocrisy.

The Watchtower is not synonymous with early Christianity. It's a modern group that originated fairly recently, founded by people who were raised in what you call "Christendom" but developed particular interpretations of scripture that led them to believe that they'd found a more authentic approach than other Christians were using. There's nothing unusual about that in the Christian tradition, and it's natural for reformist movements to arise; however, there is zero direct continuity between early Christianity and the Watchtower, so calling it the same thing is disingenuous, when really what's going on is that the Watchtower is trying to reconstruct early Christianity by looking at the documents they left behind. And apart from a few points that are certainly correct, their particular vision of how it was is not widely accepted. And a lot of that comes from the fact that they try to approach the Bible devoid of context, as if the text didn't refer to anything outside itself.

That approach really only appeals to sola scriptura fundamentalists, and even they can't agree on anything of substance, so that they have to constantly accuse each other of not having the Spirit or of being blinded by Satan, or willfully ignorant, if not outright wicked. And that's because the sola scriptura view is ultimately untenable: in order to derive meaning from scripture, one inevitably applies certain interpretive principles that are not contained within the text. So when people pretend they're not doing that, all that's really happening is that they're unaware of their own biases and presuppositions. So of course they think they're reading what's plainly there in black and white, so other people who disagree must have something wrong with them. But those other people are often doing exactly the same thing.

Speaking of which, if you have to immediately fall back on accusing people of being willfully ignorant, deluded by Satan, or hypocritical just because they don't see things your way, rather than actually supporting your assertions in a way that people can understand, then you're effectively admitting defeat. Nobody who speaks the truth needs to resort to ad hominem attacks in order to make their points. Also, truth should be something that can be expounded, grasped, and understood without the need to beg the question. And if basic logic is equivalent to the lies of Satan in your worldview, then that says everything anybody needs to know about it. For all intents and purposes, that would mean your worldview was false. Do you really want to go down that road?

Vishvavajra · Mar 26, 2015

truthofscripture said:
It's not "my view", it's the scriptures, what they say.

Correction: it's your view of what the scriptures say. And not one you've ever been able to support. The only explanation you can come up with is that you have supernatural powers of interpretation that other people who spend their entire lives investigating scripture never develop. If you have to appeal to things like that, then it's clear that the difference is you, not the scriptures themselves. You're reading into them what you want to see. Or what the Watchtower has taught you to see. And if they also taught you that everyone who disagrees is blinded by the devil, then that ought to tell you something, no?

Since Christendom's religions do not teach the scriptures, or encourage studying them accurately, most aren't aware of this fact.

There's not a single Christian denomination that does not teach the scriptures. They have diverse ideas about them, their meaning, and their role in the religion, but what you have said right here is demonstrably false. And there are whole denominations whose very existence is dedicated to scriptural study as a foundational practice. The Methodists are even named for John Wesley's approach to scriptural study, which he emphasized as something everyone can and should do.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not have a monopoly on the Bible or its study, just like they don't have a monopoly on the term "Christian." Of course, I would argue that a true Christian wouldn't care about labels like that, much less try to parade them around and deny them to others. For as Paul says, in Christ there is no Jew or Gentile. But the true meaning of that statement seems to have eluded a number of people. So they erect new divisions and rebuild the same old walls that the early Christians were trying to tear down.

But the idea that one has got a monopoly on the truth and knows better than the deluded masses is a very seductive thought, I suppose. It seems to give people a lot of pleasure and sense of self-importance, at least in the short term. However, it does not lead anywhere good in the long run.

truthofscripture · Mar 26, 2015

Vishvavajra said:
The Watchtower is not synonymous with early Christianity. It's a modern group that originated fairly recently, founded by people who were raised in what you call "Christendom" but developed particular interpretations of scripture that led them to believe that they'd found a more authentic approach than other Christians were using. There's nothing unusual about that in the Christian tradition, and it's natural for reformist movements to arise; however, there is zero direct continuity between early Christianity and the Watchtower, so calling it the same thing is disingenuous, when really what's going on is that the Watchtower is trying to reconstruct early Christianity by looking at the documents they left behind. And apart from a few points that are certainly correct, their particular vision of how it was is not widely accepted. And a lot of that comes from the fact that they try to approach the Bible devoid of context, as if the text didn't refer to anything outside itself.

That approach really only appeals to sola scriptura fundamentalists, and even they can't agree on anything of substance, so that they have to constantly accuse each other of not having the Spirit or of being blinded by Satan, or willfully ignorant, if not outright wicked. And that's because the sola scriptura view is ultimately untenable: in order to derive meaning from scripture, one inevitably applies certain interpretive principles that are not contained within the text. So when people pretend they're not doing that, all that's really happening is that they're unaware of their own biases and presuppositions. So of course they think they're reading what's plainly there in black and white, so other people who disagree must have something wrong with them. But those other people are often doing exactly the same thing.

Speaking of which, if you have to immediately fall back on accusing people of being willfully ignorant, deluded by Satan, or hypocritical just because they don't see things your way, rather than actually supporting your assertions in a way that people can understand, then you're effectively admitting defeat. Nobody who speaks the truth needs to resort to ad hominem attacks in order to make their points. Also, truth should be something that can be expounded, grasped, and understood without the need to beg the question. And if basic logic is equivalent to the lies of Satan in your worldview, then that says everything anybody needs to know about it. For all intents and purposes, that would mean your worldview was false. Do you really want to go down that road?

It IS the same congregation that Jesus taught, whether you choose to recognize that fact or not.

JoStories · Mar 26, 2015

truthofscripture said:
Quite the opposite. It's not "my view", it's the scriptures, what they say. Yes, Christendom's members believe, at least most of them, that they are part of a true religion. Since Christendom's religions do not teach the scriptures, or encourage studying them accurately, most aren't aware of this fact. Putting words into my mouth is wrong, so don't do it. It would be a good thing if all people knew what the 8 million Christians know, then they would all survive the tribulation and Armageddon.

Now see, this kind of post gets my hackles up. My mother just left to go to,her bible study and she is, without a single doubt, the most Christian person I know. Her church has bible study's four times a week. How dare you presume to tell me my mom isn't studying scripture or that she is not a part of Christianity. Putz!

Vishvavajra · Mar 26, 2015

truthofscripture said:
It IS the same congregation that Jesus taught, whether you choose to recognize that fact or not.

So they're a bunch of undead Palestinians?

What I did was to unpack that assertion of yours in common terms, so that people can understand what you mean by it. You just keep hammering on the exact wording of the assertion, which is obviously not literally true. It's supposed to be a spiritual connection to what the original congregation was doing, but there is zero direct continuity. That's not even controversial.

To be frank, people already have the stereotype that Jehovah's Witnesses are brainwashed. It's probably best not to reinforce that stereotype. You are an ambassador for your group, after all, as we all are. And you've not been making them look very good. It's a shame, since my one in-person encounter with a Witness was pretty positive. But he wasn't prideful and strident like you—quite the opposite. And he didn't demonstrate the intellectual dishonesty of disparaging things and people that he didn't know anything about.

Really, the best recommendation for a religious tradition is to show what's good about it, not to put down everybody outside of it. The former indicates true dedication; the latter is what pathologically insecure people do to make themselves feel better—or to brainwash fellow members into compliance.

Unlike some people, I don't go around accusing others of hypocrisy, as that's not cricket. But I will say that when people claim to be the "true Christians" yet behave in ways that are starkly at variance with the spirit of the Christian teachings, I can't help but notice the dissonance. And when people are wallowing in vice and showing the negative side of human nature while claiming to champion God's Own Truth, then I'm left with two possibilities: either they're mistaken about the truth, or the God in question is a moral reprobate.

Shak34 · Mar 26, 2015

JoStories said:
True but not in all cases do Christians show hatred and cruelty. Of course, that is true in some cases; Fred phelps, Jim jones, and terry jones, among many others. Just so you know, truth of scripture tends to misinterpret wha most people here have to say and when you disagree with his stance a few times, he will announce he is going to ignore you, as he has me and several others. IMO, that seems to say that he only likes the sound of his own voice.

You are right it is not true in all christians. Unfortunately, the bad tends to out weigh the good. And I can only speak from my experiences, so I would have to say I am most likely jaded in my opinion.

jtartar · Mar 26, 2015

we-live-now said:
I have been asking the taboo question of "Are their contradictions in the Bible?"

I have posted my findings from the past couple years.

What do you think? Are there any contradictions in the Bible?

Bible Contradictions... Are there any?

we-live-now,
If you are truly searching for an answer to this question, please allow me to point out a truth to you. Please meditate!!!
It has been proven that no human being, Homo Sapien, can copy or translate a Bible without making mistakes.
What does this mean to the reader? Is he likely to be reading a Bible that is untrustworthy??? Absolutely Not!!!
God, Himself had recorded in His Bible, that He would protect His sayings from all generations, Ps 12:6,7. When Jesus was on earth he stated that God's word is truth!!, John 17:17. So we know that the Hebrew Scriptures used in the first century were accurate. The Apostles were the authority on all Bible truth of the Greek Scriptures. God's Holy Spirit, working through the apostles made sure that the word of God remained incorrupted, unadulterated, as long as they were alive, 1Pet 1:25.
So, if this is true, why is the Bible of today completely reliable?
In the times past there were, what is called, Families of Translations. This means that people would go where they could copy a translation that had been checked as to accuracy. When these people went back home with their copies, there were, invariably mistakes in their copies, but each would not have the same mistake as the others. By checking the copies, the mistakes would easily be found. If one said one thing and five said something else, it was determined that the mistake was of the one different in that place. By checking all Bible manuscripts with each other, any mistakes found would be corrected. Today, there is no reason to believe that any of the well known Bible Translations are corrupted. They have all been checked against other translations, and all old manuscripts to make certain they contain truth.
If you find a Bible that you suspect as having inaccuracies in it, compare it with others
This is the process that God uses to make sure His word remains true and reliable. Think about this ; if the Bible were corrupted, how could God judge the world, Rom 3:5,6, 2Thes 1:6-9, especially verse 8.

truthofscripture · Mar 26, 2015

JoStories said:
Now see, this kind of post gets my hackles up. My mother just left to go to,her bible study and she is, without a single doubt, the most Christian person I know. Her church has bible study's four times a week. How dare you presume to tell me my mom isn't studying scripture or that she is not a part of Christianity. Putz!

No, not a putz. A Bible study at a church, and a real Bible study do not resemble eachother. Is she using an accurate translation? Is someone telling her what the scriptures say who does not have holy spirit being used to enveil the truth to them? There are so many things in the scriptures that tell us religions of man, churches, clergy, and their teachings are false, one could study just that topic alone and have information to study for months. Don't get me wrong, what your mother is doing is far preferable to ignoring the scriptures all together. But accuracy is critical, and no religion accurately teaches the meaning of the scriptures, because they don't know that accurate meaning, and if religions taught accurately what the scriptures say, no one would have anything to do with those religions.

Ouroboros · Mar 26, 2015

Vishvavajra said:
So they're a bunch of undead Palestinians?

LOL! In the past I used to call them Jezombies.

JoStories · Mar 26, 2015

Shak34 said:
You are right it is not true in all christians. Unfortunately, the bad tends to out weigh the good. And I can only speak from my experiences, so I would have to say I am most likely jaded in my opinion.

I would say it this way. The impact of the bad outweighs what the good portray. I am so sorry you have had such bad examples of the Christian faith. I am not Christian but my mom is and I can think of no truer or pure example of what
Christianity is about.

JoStories · Mar 26, 2015

truthofscripture said:
No, not a putz. A Bible study at a church, and a real Bible study do not resemble eachother. Is she using an accurate translation? Is someone telling her what the scriptures say who does not have holy spirit being used to enveil the truth to them? There are so many things in the scriptures that tell us religions of man, churches, clergy, and their teachings are false, one could study just that topic alone and have information to study for months. Don't get me wrong, what your mother is doing is far preferable to ignoring the scriptures all together. But accuracy is critical, and no religion accurately teaches the meaning of the scriptures, because they don't know that accurate meaning, and if religions taught accurately what the scriptures say, no one would have anything to do with those religions.

I will give you the benefit of the doubt and infer you are not insulting my mother. What translations does she use, about 12 and I have 5 myself. Is hers accurate? As much as any bible can be said to be accurate because I don't believe any are. As for who leads these things, they are very old members of this church which is the very same church I attended in my youth so I would say yes, they have conviction in what they believe and teach. As for the rest, you are welcome to your beliefs. I do not share them.

Kolibri · Mar 26, 2015

This really bothers me. Enough that I have to think about speaking publicly. Perhaps humility will rule and things can be settled amicably. And hopefully I do not make matters worse.

"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a clanging gong or a clashing cymbal." - 1 Cor 13:1

@truthofscripture . Please remember when Paul felt he had to publicly correct Peter, Peter took it well and recovered. I mentioned this to you previously in private when you first started posting here. Your way of posting, while thought-provoking, is having the opposite effect that you desire.

Thoughtless speech is like the stabs of a sword,
But the tongue of the wise is a healing.
- Proverbs 12:18

When words are many, transgression cannot be avoided,
But whoever controls his lips acts discreetly.
- Proverbs 10:19

A shrewd man conceals what he knows,
But the heart of the fool blurts out his foolishness.
- Proverbs 12:23

I am beginning to understand why this is not a recommended way of witnessing.
It is so easy to lose our empathy when we do not have direct personal contact in some way.

I am not shooing you away. But we do need to consider how we sow with our words. Just because people may "trample" what we say "under their feet" or "turn around and rip [us] open" does not mean that they are "dogs" or "swine". (Mt 7:6) "Oppression can drive the wise one into madness." (Ecc 7:7a) We need to be careful we do not sow judgement on ourselves by how tactlessly we verbally judge others. (Mt 7:1,2)

"Do not be overly righteous, nor show yourself excessively wise. Why should you bring ruin to yourself?" - Ecc 7:16

I mean you well.

truthofscripture · Mar 26, 2015

JoStories said:
I will give you the benefit of the doubt and infer you are not insulting my mother. What translations does she use, about 12 and I have 5 myself. Is hers accurate? As much as any bible can be said to be accurate because I don't believe any are. As for who leads these things, they are very old members of this church which is the very same church I attended in my youth so I would say yes, they have conviction in what they believe and teach. As for the rest, you are welcome to your beliefs. I do not share them.

I certainly would NEVER insult anyone, and I certainly did not insult your mother. If I offended, I apologize. However, it is a rare thing to find a man made religion that actually, honestly studies the scriptures. If this is the case, I commend them. But I am skeptical of man made religions. They all teach things differing from the scriptures, and they all teach things different from all other religions.

JoStories · Mar 26, 2015

truthofscripture said:
I certainly would NEVER insult anyone, and I certainly did not insult your mother. If I offended, I apologize. However, it is a rare thing to find a man made religion that actually, honestly studies the scriptures. If this is the case, I commend them. But I am skeptical of man made religions. They all teach things differing from the scriptures, and they all teach things different from all other religions.

Thank you for your apology. And I can tell you that my mother and her church are about as Christian as I have seen. They do tons of outreach work, have 4 bible studies a week and 3 prayer meetings in addition to two,sermons. They are a good group.

Christ's Prophet · Mar 29, 2015

we-live-now said:
I have been asking the taboo question of "Are their contradictions in the Bible?"

I have posted my findings from the past couple years.

What do you think? Are there any contradictions in the Bible?

Bible Contradictions... Are there any?

It seems to me that if a person is trying to find contradictions in the Bible, then I say to you that you are starting your inquiry in the wrong place. The Scripture says expressly:-
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NIV2011) 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
The Word of God is God breathed and comes with the authority of God. An unbeliever’s attempt to undermine the Word of God, by looking for contradictions, is an unwitting attempt to undermine the authority of God, and there you are playing with fire. There may well be some apparent contradictions in the Bible, but you need to fear and respect the overwhelming Word of God that is clear and unambiguous. I have seen the site you have alluded to, and I don’t see any problems with any of the proposals. The Word of God has been used mightily by God over the centuries, and with God’s approval, in particular the revivals, where people are stricken for their sins and by the Word of God and through His Holy Spirit’s power. I say, ‘submit yourself unto God and to His Word.’ If you are outside the Spirit of God, such things may seem as foolishness. You cannot discover God by yourself. It is not a matter of intellectual debate. It is a matter of asking the Spirit of God to help you. Christ’s prophet. Certainty for eternity.

Ouroboros · Mar 29, 2015

Kolibri said:
"If I speak in the tongues of men and of angels but do not have love, I have become a clanging gong or a clashing cymbal." - 1 Cor 13:1

I still speak in tongues (if I want to, but never in public anymore), and I do love. I love my wife, my family, my dogs, my friends, even people I don't know. I found it hard to hate anyone, at all, ever. There are many times I think someone is an idiot and perhaps not worth talking to, but I don't hate them. Just don't like talking to them.

Vishvavajra · Mar 29, 2015

Christ's Prophet said:
It seems to me that if a person is trying to find contradictions in the Bible, then I say to you that you are starting your inquiry in the wrong place. The Scripture says expressly:-
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NIV2011) 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
The Word of God is God breathed and comes with the authority of God. An unbeliever’s attempt to undermine the Word of God, by looking for contradictions, is an unwitting attempt to undermine the authority of God, and there you are playing with fire. There may well be some apparent contradictions in the Bible, but you need to fear and respect the overwhelming Word of God that is clear and unambiguous. I have seen the site you have alluded to, and I don’t see any problems with any of the proposals. The Word of God has been used mightily by God over the centuries, and with God’s approval, in particular the revivals, where people are stricken for their sins and by the Word of God and through His Holy Spirit’s power. I say, ‘submit yourself unto God and to His Word.’ If you are outside the Spirit of God, such things may seem as foolishness. You cannot discover God by yourself. It is not a matter of intellectual debate. It is a matter of asking the Spirit of God to help you. Christ’s prophet. Certainty for eternity.

That line in Timothy isn't talking about Timothy or any other Christian writings, none of which were regarded as scripture when that was written. It's talking about the Hebrew Bible, which is what early Christians were steeped in and used as the cultural bedrock of their teachings and understanding of the world.

Beyond that, you still have the problem that a few small groups of men decided what was and wasn't scripture. Some things like Timothy eventually got added to the list; other things were left out because the ones doing the deciding didn't like their contents, or the language they were written in, or just weren't aware of them. Other things were rejected at first but then added later. Other things were added and then later rejected by certain groups after the fact.

Making sweeping statements about "scripture" as a unified category ignores the fact that it's an open question what is and isn't to be regarded as scripture. Even modern Christian sects don't agree, and if you look at early writers such as Irenaeus, it's clear that things were far, far more contentious back then, with no real standardization at all until the Roman authorities basically decreed that a single canon be created. (And we see how that still didn't resolve the issue.)

And that's not getting into the fact that "scripture" without any qualification would seem to include other traditions' scriptures too. So is the Quran authoritative? What about the Lotus Sutra? If you see that line from Timothy as having been written by a man who didn't know about those and was speaking to people within his own culture, that's one thing. But if you see it as some sort of supernatural prophecy straight from God, devoid of all context, then it seems to literally say that all scripture is authoritative, even the stuff you don't want to accept.

sojourner · Mar 29, 2015

Christ's Prophet said:
It seems to me that if a person is trying to find contradictions in the Bible, then I say to you that you are starting your inquiry in the wrong place. The Scripture says expressly:-
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NIV2011) 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
The Word of God is God breathed and comes with the authority of God.

Unfortunately for you, you're expanding upon the intended meaning of that passage.

we-live-now · Apr 1, 2015

Christ's Prophet said:
It seems to me that if a person is trying to find contradictions in the Bible, then I say to you that you are starting your inquiry in the wrong place. The Scripture says expressly:-
2 Timothy 3:16-17 (NIV2011) 16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
The Word of God is God breathed and comes with the authority of God. An unbeliever’s attempt to undermine the Word of God, by looking for contradictions, is an unwitting attempt to undermine the authority of God, and there you are playing with fire. There may well be some apparent contradictions in the Bible, but you need to fear and respect the overwhelming Word of God that is clear and unambiguous. I have seen the site you have alluded to, and I don’t see any problems with any of the proposals. The Word of God has been used mightily by God over the centuries, and with God’s approval, in particular the revivals, where people are stricken for their sins and by the Word of God and through His Holy Spirit’s power. I say, ‘submit yourself unto God and to His Word.’ If you are outside the Spirit of God, such things may seem as foolishness. You cannot discover God by yourself. It is not a matter of intellectual debate. It is a matter of asking the Spirit of God to help you. Christ’s prophet. Certainty for eternity.

Hey, I hear what you are saying, but your assumptions are not correct.

I believe every original scripture word that God gave us. More than anyone I know. I can talk to someone who professes to be a "Christian" and within minutes find scripture they do not believe. It doesn't matter who they are or what titles they have. The only way any of us can believe any of it is if God himself as Christ in our hearts GIVES us his very own belief. Hebrews 12:2 Until this occurs, we are simply worshipping a god of our own imagination or the god they teach us on Sunday (that has been created for 2000 years and packaged nicely into "8 or 10 neat little doctrines" you must believe)

Here is the truth. God's Word is TWO versions. The TRUE one is LIVING and NOT on the pages of any paper or books. God's living Word is his SON and his spiritual words are SHARP and PIERCING right down to the dividing of your very soul and spirit. Everything he speaks in the hidden realms of the spirit is 100% true and 100% accurate and unfailing. It is impossible for them NOT to fail. This is contrary to all the unbelief that is being taught in Churches all over today. They teach unbelief every Sunday.

Here are just a few of the "doctrines of deception and unbelief" that the people are taught every Sunday of which scripture DESTROYS!

"Man's will is simply too powerful for almighty God". They teach people that man's puny human will can somehow block or trump God's sovereign, almighty will. HILARIOUS! This "man" will DIE with his puny "human will" or what they call "free will". This is a LIE that keeps them from seeing the truth. I could dig up tons of scripture to prove this lie, but no one under it will believe them.

People don't know that they are made up of TWO people. One "inner" (spiritual) and one "outer" (natural). What we call "free will" or "human will" will be totally destroyed by God in the process of death. Once this false outer man is consumed, their TRUE person WILL see and accept God's gift of eternal life. No one can reject it and "ALL flesh will see and accept God's salvation". Luke 3:6.

Now, the unbelieving mind will immediately FIND A WAY TO NOT BELIEVE THAT. I have one of these two that battle with. The first thought will be "yes they will see it, but not ACCEPT IT". See that is a person who simply does not know God nor his power. They are in pride and arrogance put their own heart and mind above God's! This is taught EVERY Sunday by Bible teachers who are themselves living in darkness and unbelief.

Here is another one your Pastor or Bible teacher will convince you not to believe.

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive 1 Cor 15:22

They will even go to radical extremes and somehow say the Greek word "Pas" sometimes means all (as in everyone) and sometimes it means "some". Maybe in the natural mind of MAN under law, but not in Gods mind where ONE WORD always MEANS one thing. They are blind as they don't realize GOD IS OUTSIDE OF TIME and AGES. There is no "sometimes" with God. His word is ALWAYS the same as it is ETERNAL and for ALL TIMES.

The Greek word "pas" means "a single whole with no part missing". (It can only mean ONE thing also as God is not a hypocrite who changes definitions)

Friend, believe it or not, I am actually DOING YOU A FAVOR by pointing out the "contradictions" in the Bible. Until we see and recognize that they are there, we will be in denial and will not be able to see the MOST GLORIOUS truth!

But first, there is some "tough medicine" to swallow.

We have been taught lies since birth about God's Word.

His written "Word" does NOT pertain to this current, physical realm ... .YET! The events we read about are NOT about the physical realm of the natural body where we are. Man we are so blinded by the law that was written on our hearts and minds in "the garden".

Friend, here is the secret and I will spell it plainly.

God's written Word is SPIRITUAL and each written "word" is a "sign" that points to an aspect OF JESUS CHRIST (the LIVING WORD) in the hidden SPIRITUAL realms of Earth and NOT the physical realm of the current age, time and natural body.

Those will ALL DIE and pass away to be replaced by the TRUE versions that are still hidden. These things will not fit into an "old wineskin" however. You must let go of all the things you see from the natural body. You must open your mind and imagination and "become as a child" who can dream and imagine. Once you do, you will be amazed and in total AWE of God. You will wake up to the TRUE REALITY of the following:

The entire Bible is about the realms of our SPIRITUAL man who is a SOUL and a SPIRIT. God knows this man personally and we don't as we are on the "outside" yet. THIS is where the entire OLD Testament and New testament is occuring! That's right, BOTH are occuring at the SAME TIME right now all around us.

See, try telling that to your pastor on Sunday. he will laugh you out of the building. He will talk you into unbelief by CONVINCING you that God's word only applies this current physical world we see.

FUNNY!

That will all be destroyed in the HUGE FIRE! This entire world including our natural bodies and lives are a LIVING SACRIFICE and a Burnt offering off "the woman" of Genesis 3. God himself put us under law as we HAVE to die fully to "self" and the flesh in order to see and accept TRUE righteousness AS A 100% GIFT! Until we fully die, we are under law trying to "read our Bibles" and "live morally" and "attend Church" in order to OBTAIN righteousness. This is ALL works of the flesh if anyone thinks they get ANYTHING from doing these things. There is NOTHING wrong with them if you feel led, but don't think they give you .00000000001 % righteousness or do anything towards your "sin".

So, here is the key that I have NOT written about yet on my blog.

The "4 gospels" are about the salvation of the ENTIRE SPIRITUAL man who is the Son of God Jesus Christ. We think man has "3" parts of Spirit, soul and body. There is a HIDDEN 4th part called our "master Spirit". See Romans 6. This is our spiritual HEAD who is in complete control of our spirit man. This HEAD is Christ and God the father himself! So, man is single "being" who is 4 parts. Body, soul, spirit and master spirit. All 4 parts need redemption. We are only aware of the part of the "body" which is our physical world. However there is a HUGE, endless other parts of "soul" and "spirit". We don't know where these are but God does and parts of us (spirit and soul) are THERE NOW while our body is "outside".

But, see your Pastor or Christian bible teacher will NOT teach these hidden and MORE TRUE parts. They will stick to the body only teaching "natural" things. The things we can see and touch. This is the way of the natural mind. It does not know or see the HIDDEN and true things of God as they are "foolishness" to him. 1 Cor 2:14. This is the "outer man" of ALL of us! 2 Cor 4:16 We all have one as it's part of our "body of sin" that is wrapped in the spiritual "dust" (darkness) of Genesis 2 and 3. We must overcome it and begin to actually TRY TO BELIEVE scripture EXACTLY as it says.

Back to the 4 gospels. Were they written by 4 normal human men like you and i of today?

I don't believe so. They were spiritual men who are the 4 parts of the spiritual body of Jesus Christ. I am convinced they are related to the 4 part body of man in Genesis 2:20 (the 4th hidden part is the man NAMED "Adam") and are also related to "Peter", "James", "John" and "Jesus" himself. If they were normal men in normal fleshly bodies, they would have made many mistakes.

And I am 100% convinced there are NO errors in God's true words of scripture.

They are not written by "4 human men" who "sometimes make mistakes". There are NO MISTAKES or ERRORS! It's impossible. However, there are HUNDREDS of contradictions if not thousands.

HOW?

Because they EACH TAKE PLACE in the 4 DIFFERENT PARTS of spiritual MAN!

Matthew is the view from the realm of the body.
Mark is the view from the realm of man's spirit
Luke is split because it is our soul and our soul is DIVIDED into "inner" (spirit) and "outer" natural body.
John is different because he is the HIGHEST revelation from the HIGHEST truth and realm of man - the MASTER spirit.

Every word is precisely placed and master-crafted by God himself and will take place at the exact time for each and every person living. Every verse "number" is part of God's master plan and spiritual "number system". I could tell you more, but that's too much.

Why are their contradictions?

Because some parts of man are under HIGHER law than others. The body of man is under the highest law. This is why Matthew has the most law-based wording of the Old Covenant saying "do to become". Of course, this is impossible without faith that it is God who is actually doing it. Otherwise, it is DO TO DIE. That is what is occuring in "Christianity today". Most are dying. Most are "doing to become". They are focusing on death itself - this world and this body. They don't (yet) see life which is hidden and is appearing from within for those with faith.

So, you will not see or believe any of this until you start believing the very words of scripture instead of what your favorite Bible teacher tells you to believe (really to NOT believe!)

Until you spend time GRAPPLING and "WRESTLING" with God over the obvious "contraditions" and admit his word IS 100% true and unfailing, you will not see the truth. You will be living in the darkness of hypocrisy which is taught every Sunday.

It's sad. They call themselves "teachers" yet they don't believe the very words of scripture themselves. Worse yet, they have hundreds if not THOUSANDS of "followers" who put THEM on a pedistal and really worship THEM and not God. This keeps them in BLINDNESS TOO.

I say WOE THESE PHARISEES who are under law. Matthew 23 is for them and it's coming my friend. It's not going to be pretty when God destroys the body and this world. He will first SPEAK VERY STRONG words against the current religious pharisees (Bible teachers) who are keeping the poeple under law and works of the law so they can continue to be worshipped and "take the places of honor" at the tables. I pray that AS MANY of us as possible have finally WOKEN up from the "DUST of our dead (spiritual) bodies" and rose to be with him in our spirit and inner SOUL MAN before this occurs.

He will pour out his powerful spirit and HOLY FIRE upon the entire World. All will be SALTED WITH FIRE. Mark 9:49. I have had the "hell" kicked out of me in my life. He uses all that to keep me at his feet and at his attention. I wander, but he puts me back in darkness and I come back to him. My personal "hell" will continue until Romans 8:23 is fulfilled and we finally recieve the "adoption" which is the REDEMPTION of our bodies.

Huge and GLORIOUS things are coming my friend as God reveals himself and his SOn to the world. Before this can happen, all the strongholds of darkness and religion must come down and be destroyed. This is anything we "do" to obtain any righteousness or try to get rid of our "sins" no matter how righteous it appears. Even church attendance.

The true walk with Christ is just you and him in solitude (while in the natural body of the flesh). No following any other human will get you in, but it is wise to listen to all peoples words and ponder them deeply.

A truly mature spiritual person knows how to fully discern between good and evil and doesn't fear evil. They know Satan is a servent of God's perfect law and perfect righteousness and holiness. They know "Satan" is merely a part of the father himself "wrapped in the dark dust under law" charged with "carrying out the law" which will KILL all natural things and reveal their TRUE spiritual version within the who is CHRIST himself.

When this occurs, we have finally and fully "died to the law" and surrendered to Christ. We will go wherever he wants us to and do whatever he wants. We know do do otherwise, would mean more "death to self". When we live from his spirit inside us, this is TRUE life. There truly is NO INDIVIDUAL "self" that is separate from God. And if we think there is, that part of us will die as it is "the flesh" that will be "circumcized away" on the "8th spiritual day". Christ IS OUR LIFE and we are all part of his body. Gal 2:20, 1 Cor 12:12, Romans 12:4, 1 Cor 12:13 It's just that ALL of us are still dying outwardly, but some select few have "crossed over" inside to the realms of life.

There is a HUGE judgement and "accounting" coming. He is now "separating the sheep from the goats". The sheep will go with him and the goats will be under HEAVIER spiritual law and darkness once he removes the part of his believing body from the earth (the wheat). The "tares" will be further refined in the hot, spiritual fire of the coming age.

So, I am sure this will sound utterly crazy to most who read this. This is all in scripture. You just have to stop thinking God is limited to man's time, ages and spiritual darkness. God is ONE and all things are inside him. he never changes and if it appears he does, you need to dig for a higher truth.

Also, for him there is NO separation between Genesis 1:1 and Revelation 22:21. Try setting aside the false doctrines we all have been fed since little children and asking God "how can the Bible be ONE SINGLE, co-hesive truth from beginning to end"? How can each of his words NEVER fail? God is revealing that to me even now and showing me how the first 5 books of the "jewish bible" truly go together. They are NOT separated into "books". They all work together as "one" with all the other books integrated as well. They all come together in the single spiritual man of Jesus Christ. No one can see this in the first 5 books unless they first understand the new covenant and how God's word really works.

The time is coming though. I see it in the "numbers". They are his secret symbol or pointer. Man thinks "God just put them there for our convenience". That may be somewhat true, but they have a MUCH deeper meaning. God doesn't do anything without it fitting into his powerful and eternal redemptive purpose.

If I were you I would toss all non-literal translations of God's Word and download the wonderful "ISA" or Inner-linear Scripture analyzer at www.scripture4all.com and begin studying what the actual original words of scripture say. Then, start believing them even if you don't know "how?". God will fill all that in as you ask him and wait.

God bless and if I can help in any way, let me know.

sojourner · Apr 1, 2015

we-live-now said:
Hey, I hear what you are saying, but your assumptions are not correct.

I believe every original scripture word that God gave us. More than anyone I know. I can talk to someone who professes to be a "Christian" and within minutes find scripture they do not believe. It doesn't matter who they are or what titles they have. The only way any of us can believe any of it is if God himself as Christ in our hearts GIVES us his very own belief. Hebrews 12:2 Until this occurs, we are simply worshipping a god of our own imagination or the god they teach us on Sunday (that has been created for 2000 years and packaged nicely into "8 or 10 neat little doctrines" you must believe)

Here is the truth. God's Word is TWO versions. The TRUE one is LIVING and NOT on the pages of any paper or books. God's living Word is his SON and his spiritual words are SHARP and PIERCING right down to the dividing of your very soul and spirit. Everything he speaks in the hidden realms of the spirit is 100% true and 100% accurate and unfailing. It is impossible for them NOT to fail. This is contrary to all the unbelief that is being taught in Churches all over today. They teach unbelief every Sunday.

Here are just a few of the "doctrines of deception and unbelief" that the people are taught every Sunday of which scripture DESTROYS!

"Man's will is simply too powerful for almighty God". They teach people that man's puny human will can somehow block or trump God's sovereign, almighty will. HILARIOUS! This "man" will DIE with his puny "human will" or what they call "free will". This is a LIE that keeps them from seeing the truth. I could dig up tons of scripture to prove this lie, but no one under it will believe them.

People don't know that they are made up of TWO people. One "inner" (spiritual) and one "outer" (natural). What we call "free will" or "human will" will be totally destroyed by God in the process of death. Once this false outer man is consumed, their TRUE person WILL see and accept God's gift of eternal life. No one can reject it and "ALL flesh will see and accept God's salvation". Luke 3:6.

Now, the unbelieving mind will immediately FIND A WAY TO NOT BELIEVE THAT. I have one of these two that battle with. The first thought will be "yes they will see it, but not ACCEPT IT". See that is a person who simply does not know God nor his power. They are in pride and arrogance put their own heart and mind above God's! This is taught EVERY Sunday by Bible teachers who are themselves living in darkness and unbelief.

Here is another one your Pastor or Bible teacher will convince you not to believe.

For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive 1 Cor 15:22

They will even go to radical extremes and somehow say the Greek word "Pas" sometimes means all (as in everyone) and sometimes it means "some". Maybe in the natural mind of MAN under law, but not in Gods mind where ONE WORD always MEANS one thing. They are blind as they don't realize GOD IS OUTSIDE OF TIME and AGES. There is no "sometimes" with God. His word is ALWAYS the same as it is ETERNAL and for ALL TIMES.

The Greek word "pas" means "a single whole with no part missing". (It can only mean ONE thing also as God is not a hypocrite who changes definitions)

Friend, believe it or not, I am actually DOING YOU A FAVOR by pointing out the "contradictions" in the Bible. Until we see and recognize that they are there, we will be in denial and will not be able to see the MOST GLORIOUS truth!

But first, there is some "tough medicine" to swallow.

We have been taught lies since birth about God's Word.

His written "Word" does NOT pertain to this current, physical realm ... .YET! The events we read about are NOT about the physical realm of the natural body where we are. Man we are so blinded by the law that was written on our hearts and minds in "the garden".

Friend, here is the secret and I will spell it plainly.

God's written Word is SPIRITUAL and each written "word" is a "sign" that points to an aspect OF JESUS CHRIST (the LIVING WORD) in the hidden SPIRITUAL realms of Earth and NOT the physical realm of the current age, time and natural body.

Those will ALL DIE and pass away to be replaced by the TRUE versions that are still hidden. These things will not fit into an "old wineskin" however. You must let go of all the things you see from the natural body. You must open your mind and imagination and "become as a child" who can dream and imagine. Once you do, you will be amazed and in total AWE of God. You will wake up to the TRUE REALITY of the following:

The entire Bible is about the realms of our SPIRITUAL man who is a SOUL and a SPIRIT. God knows this man personally and we don't as we are on the "outside" yet. THIS is where the entire OLD Testament and New testament is occuring! That's right, BOTH are occuring at the SAME TIME right now all around us.

See, try telling that to your pastor on Sunday. he will laugh you out of the building. He will talk you into unbelief by CONVINCING you that God's word only applies this current physical world we see.

FUNNY!

That will all be destroyed in the HUGE FIRE! This entire world including our natural bodies and lives are a LIVING SACRIFICE and a Burnt offering off "the woman" of Genesis 3. God himself put us under law as we HAVE to die fully to "self" and the flesh in order to see and accept TRUE righteousness AS A 100% GIFT! Until we fully die, we are under law trying to "read our Bibles" and "live morally" and "attend Church" in order to OBTAIN righteousness. This is ALL works of the flesh if anyone thinks they get ANYTHING from doing these things. There is NOTHING wrong with them if you feel led, but don't think they give you .00000000001 % righteousness or do anything towards your "sin".

So, here is the key that I have NOT written about yet on my blog.

The "4 gospels" are about the salvation of the ENTIRE SPIRITUAL man who is the Son of God Jesus Christ. We think man has "3" parts of Spirit, soul and body. There is a HIDDEN 4th part called our "master Spirit". See Romans 6. This is our spiritual HEAD who is in complete control of our spirit man. This HEAD is Christ and God the father himself! So, man is single "being" who is 4 parts. Body, soul, spirit and master spirit. All 4 parts need redemption. We are only aware of the part of the "body" which is our physical world. However there is a HUGE, endless other parts of "soul" and "spirit". We don't know where these are but God does and parts of us (spirit and soul) are THERE NOW while our body is "outside".

But, see your Pastor or Christian bible teacher will NOT teach these hidden and MORE TRUE parts. They will stick to the body only teaching "natural" things. The things we can see and touch. This is the way of the natural mind. It does not know or see the HIDDEN and true things of God as they are "foolishness" to him. 1 Cor 2:14. This is the "outer man" of ALL of us! 2 Cor 4:16 We all have one as it's part of our "body of sin" that is wrapped in the spiritual "dust" (darkness) of Genesis 2 and 3. We must overcome it and begin to actually TRY TO BELIEVE scripture EXACTLY as it says.

Back to the 4 gospels. Were they written by 4 normal human men like you and i of today?

I don't believe so. They were spiritual men who are the 4 parts of the spiritual body of Jesus Christ. I am convinced they are related to the 4 part body of man in Genesis 2:20 (the 4th hidden part is the man NAMED "Adam") and are also related to "Peter", "James", "John" and "Jesus" himself. If they were normal men in normal fleshly bodies, they would have made many mistakes.

And I am 100% convinced there are NO errors in God's true words of scripture.

They are not written by "4 human men" who "sometimes make mistakes". There are NO MISTAKES or ERRORS! It's impossible. However, there are HUNDREDS of contradictions if not thousands.

HOW?

Because they EACH TAKE PLACE in the 4 DIFFERENT PARTS of spiritual MAN!

Matthew is the view from the realm of the body.
Mark is the view from the realm of man's spirit
Luke is split because it is our soul and our soul is DIVIDED into "inner" (spirit) and "outer" natural body.
John is different because he is the HIGHEST revelation from the HIGHEST truth and realm of man - the MASTER spirit.

Every word is precisely placed and master-crafted by God himself and will take place at the exact time for each and every person living. Every verse "number" is part of God's master plan and spiritual "number system". I could tell you more, but that's too much.

Why are their contradictions?

Because some parts of man are under HIGHER law than others. The body of man is under the highest law. This is why Matthew has the most law-based wording of the Old Covenant saying "do to become". Of course, this is impossible without faith that it is God who is actually doing it. Otherwise, it is DO TO DIE. That is what is occuring in "Christianity today". Most are dying. Most are "doing to become". They are focusing on death itself - this world and this body. They don't (yet) see life which is hidden and is appearing from within for those with faith.

So, you will not see or believe any of this until you start believing the very words of scripture instead of what your favorite Bible teacher tells you to believe (really to NOT believe!)

Until you spend time GRAPPLING and "WRESTLING" with God over the obvious "contraditions" and admit his word IS 100% true and unfailing, you will not see the truth. You will be living in the darkness of hypocrisy which is taught every Sunday.

It's sad. They call themselves "teachers" yet they don't believe the very words of scripture themselves. Worse yet, they have hundreds if not THOUSANDS of "followers" who put THEM on a pedistal and really worship THEM and not God. This keeps them in BLINDNESS TOO.

I say WOE THESE PHARISEES who are under law. Matthew 23 is for them and it's coming my friend. It's not going to be pretty when God destroys the body and this world. He will first SPEAK VERY STRONG words against the current religious pharisees (Bible teachers) who are keeping the poeple under law and works of the law so they can continue to be worshipped and "take the places of honor" at the tables. I pray that AS MANY of us as possible have finally WOKEN up from the "DUST of our dead (spiritual) bodies" and rose to be with him in our spirit and inner SOUL MAN before this occurs.

He will pour out his powerful spirit and HOLY FIRE upon the entire World. All will be SALTED WITH FIRE. Mark 9:49. I have had the "hell" kicked out of me in my life. He uses all that to keep me at his feet and at his attention. I wander, but he puts me back in darkness and I come back to him. My personal "hell" will continue until Romans 8:23 is fulfilled and we finally recieve the "adoption" which is the REDEMPTION of our bodies.

Huge and GLORIOUS things are coming my friend as God reveals himself and his SOn to the world. Before this can happen, all the strongholds of darkness and religion must come down and be destroyed. This is anything we "do" to obtain any righteousness or try to get rid of our "sins" no matter how righteous it appears. Even church attendance.

The true walk with Christ is just you and him in solitude (while in the natural body of the flesh). No following any other human will get you in, but it is wise to listen to all peoples words and ponder them deeply.

A truly mature spiritual person knows how to fully discern between good and evil and doesn't fear evil. They know Satan is a servent of God's perfect law and perfect righteousness and holiness. They know "Satan" is merely a part of the father himself "wrapped in the dark dust under law" charged with "carrying out the law" which will KILL all natural things and reveal their TRUE spiritual version within the who is CHRIST himself.

When this occurs, we have finally and fully "died to the law" and surrendered to Christ. We will go wherever he wants us to and do whatever he wants. We know do do otherwise, would mean more "death to self". When we live from his spirit inside us, this is TRUE life. There truly is NO INDIVIDUAL "self" that is separate from God. And if we think there is, that part of us will die as it is "the flesh" that will be "circumcized away" on the "8th spiritual day". Christ IS OUR LIFE and we are all part of his body. Gal 2:20, 1 Cor 12:12, Romans 12:4, 1 Cor 12:13 It's just that ALL of us are still dying outwardly, but some select few have "crossed over" inside to the realms of life.

There is a HUGE judgement and "accounting" coming. He is now "separating the sheep from the goats". The sheep will go with him and the goats will be under HEAVIER spiritual law and darkness once he removes the part of his believing body from the earth (the wheat). The "tares" will be further refined in the hot, spiritual fire of the coming age.

So, I am sure this will sound utterly crazy to most who read this. This is all in scripture. You just have to stop thinking God is limited to man's time, ages and spiritual darkness. God is ONE and all things are inside him. he never changes and if it appears he does, you need to dig for a higher truth.

Also, for him there is NO separation between Genesis 1:1 and Revelation 22:21. Try setting aside the false doctrines we all have been fed since little children and asking God "how can the Bible be ONE SINGLE, co-hesive truth from beginning to end"? How can each of his words NEVER fail? God is revealing that to me even now and showing me how the first 5 books of the "jewish bible" truly go together. They are NOT separated into "books". They all work together as "one" with all the other books integrated as well. They all come together in the single spiritual man of Jesus Christ. No one can see this in the first 5 books unless they first understand the new covenant and how God's word really works.

The time is coming though. I see it in the "numbers". They are his secret symbol or pointer. Man thinks "God just put them there for our convenience". That may be somewhat true, but they have a MUCH deeper meaning. God doesn't do anything without it fitting into his powerful and eternal redemptive purpose.

If I were you I would toss all non-literal translations of God's Word and download the wonderful "ISA" or Inner-linear Scripture analyzer at www.scripture4all.com and begin studying what the actual original words of scripture say. Then, start believing them even if you don't know "how?". God will fill all that in as you ask him and wait.

God bless and if I can help in any way, let me know.

Now that you've managed to waste bandwidth and five minutes of my life I'll never get back preaching us a sermon worthy of Lakewood Church and the Crystal Cathedral, perhaps you could give us one, concise, solid point you'd like to actually debate in this debate forum?

Are there any contradictions in the Bible?

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