What inspired homophobia?

Shad · Mar 24, 2015

Vishvavajra said:
Sure, but natural law moral theory isn't a science. It's a pseudoscience. The key difference is that science is a particular methodology that allows for a certain degree of objectivity and error correction. Natural law is more like literary criticism.

It is far more philosophical than scientific. Although we can use different forms of analyses in order to evaluate views. We can also use history such as slavery to show how people, and religions, promoted the idea as acceptable therefore moral. I doubt we can resolve moral questions with science alone nor should we.

Shad · Mar 24, 2015

JosephThomas said:
It is scientific to determine all the issues Homosexual brings to the table. It is very scientific.

Many of these issues are not brought to light using any form of science. Morals and ethics prevent, rightfully so, from conducting experiments in controlled conditions. We can only use limited data which allows people from both sides to make statements well beyond what the data suggests.

JosephThomas · Mar 26, 2015

Shad said:
Many of these issues are not brought to light using any form of science. Morals and ethics prevent, rightfully so, from conducting experiments in controlled conditions. We can only use limited data which allows people from both sides to make statements well beyond what the data suggests.

umm. u seem completely confounded.

Science PROVES the negative social effects perversions have on society.
It is not a human experiment, it is a demographic experiment.

I am not talking about scientific evidence produce through social experiments int he likeness of: psychiatrists locking people up and saying, we are not letting you go until you say the medication works, and then recording all medications as being effective, to further support the industry. And if that medication doesn't work; medication #2.

"There is a gay pride parade going on outside. and at that parade there is a "want to be/will/would be Rapists murderer and Pedophile." ~ are these people less or more likely to perpetrate their criminal acts?

"There is a neglectful boyfriend, who is rude and unethical. His school teaches homosexuality is acceptable and should not be considered a bad thing. Now this already sexually active, inconsiderate male is also told perversions are not only acceptable but enjoyable." ~ will this improve or worsen his behavior?

Once sexual ideas are put in peoples heads they become corrupted by them, and obsession kicks in. Is is not corruptive to a child's imagination to advocate anal and orals ex in public?

A retiree worked his entire life, and now society is filled with perverts. Is it not disturbing his peace to publicly advocate for the acceptance of anal and oral sex? While the population ignores the rapists, murders, cartels, and neglectful boyfriends and abandonment of family and women for sexual discrepancies on a regular basis?

Shad · Mar 26, 2015

JosephThomas said:
umm. u seem completely confounded.

Science PROVES the negative social effects perversions have on society.
It is not a human experiment, it is a demographic experiment.

I am not talking about scientific evidence produce through social experiments int he likeness of: psychiatrists locking people up and saying, we are not letting you go until you say the medication works, and then recording all medications as being effective, to further support the industry. And if that medication doesn't work; medication #2.

"There is a gay pride parade going on outside. and at that parade there is a "want to be/will/would be Rapists murderer and Pedophile." ~ are these people less or more likely to perpetrate their criminal acts?

"There is a neglectful boyfriend, who is rude and unethical. His school teaches homosexuality is acceptable and should not be considered a bad thing. Now this already sexually active, inconsiderate male is also told perversions are not only acceptable but enjoyable." ~ will this improve or worsen his behavior?

Once sexual ideas are put in peoples heads they become corrupted by them, and obsession kicks in. Is is not corruptive to a child's imagination to advocate anal and orals ex in public?

A retiree worked his entire life, and now society is filled with perverts. Is it not disturbing his peace to publicly advocate for the acceptance of anal and oral sex? While the population ignores the rapists, murders, cartels, and neglectful boyfriends and abandonment of family and women for sexual discrepancies on a regular basis?

You misunderstood my point. Experimentation science can not be followed as it would require divorcing the subject from family, friends and other external influences. We can not do this as it is illegal and unethical. Social sciences are soft science which is based on statical analysis more than true experiments as per above. Demographic experiments are flawed since it already includes views before hand. If the demographic already has a positive or negative view of a topic this will taint the results. Since such experiments naturally followed by social experiments preconceptions are magnified

You examples are themselves prime example of how preconceptions have already tainted your views. As per "Once sexual ideas are put in peoples heads they become corrupted by them, and obsession kicks in. Is is not corruptive to a child's imagination to advocate anal and orals ex in public?" You already have been "corrupted" by ideas on what are considered proper sexual ideas by you. You are also comparing criminal acts which harm the victim with a sexual orientation. You hedged your bets by already placing the subject in a negative light by comparing the subject with rapists, murders, cartels, etc.

Salek Atesh · Mar 26, 2015

Nietzsche said:
Monotheism seems to have the biggest problem with it.

If you take "monotheism" to mean only the monotheists that have a problem with it, and ignore many instances like the Aztecs, who were very polytheistic and who viewed same-sex relationships worse than most monotheists view it.

SomeRandom · Mar 26, 2015

JosephThomas said:
"There is a gay pride parade going on outside. and at that parade there is a "want to be/will/would be Rapists murderer and Pedophile." ~ are these people less or more likely to perpetrate their criminal acts?

Murderers murder people because they are either mentally disturbed or are sociopaths and/or psychopaths. They don't suddenly start murdering people because they happen to see a gay pride parade. Unless they happen to be highly homophobic. But even then, they would still murder gay people regardless of such events. In other words, gay pride parades do not provide justification or reason for potential murderers to perpetuate their crimes in and of themselves.
Furthermore, Sexual Orientation does not come with inherent murderers. Just murderers who may be homosexual or heterosexual. It might be something said murderer uses for justification, (ie a man killing women for being "rejected") but it would exist with or without acceptance of gay people.
In other words, a person prone to murder and sexual orientation (whether gay straight or whatever) do no even have a correlation, much less a causation factor between them.
If they did then I would be forced to say "well, that Elliot Roger bloke, who killed those women because they rejected his sexual/romantic advances, is clearly a reason why we as ladies should all fear heterosexual men. I mean, can you believe that guy? I wonder what allowed him the right to perpetrate his crimes?" And then I'd blame heterosexual acceptance in our society and whatnot. But that would be silly, right?

The majority of reported pedophiles are heterosexual males. Even ignoring that little factoid, the relationship between adult sexual orientation (whether gay or straight or bi or whatever) and pedophilia is murky at best.
There are thought to be two types of pedophiles. Regressed and fixated. A fixated pedophile has an exclusive attraction towards prepubescent children (opposite sex, same sex or both.) However, these pedophiles are either repulsed or have no real capability of having an attraction towards adults of any sex/gender. Therefore cannot be heterosexual, homosexual or even bi/pansexual. As those refer to attraction towards other people in roughly the same age group or older than oneself.
A regressed pedophile is one that has an adult sexual orientation, or in other words has the capability of sexual attraction towards adults.Here's where things get tricky. Even though a regressed pedophile has an adult sexual orientation, that adult attraction will not always correlate with the attraction of prepubescents. For example a male pedophile might be heterosexual, however may only have a preference for prepubescent boys. This does not make him gay or bi. He is still heterosexual, as young boys rarely if ever possess traits that homosexual men prefer in their partners (usually some form of post pubescent masculinity.)
What I'm trying to basically say here is that pedophilia is a separate sexual attraction (or orientation, if you prefer) to heterosexuality, bisexuality, homosexuality and all the rest of the sexualities you can think of. It exists in it's own separate little category, with some overlap to be sure, but even the overlap does not have an inherent causation factor, like you are trying to project.

This is based on my (limited) understanding of research carried out on pedophiles, going back to the 1970s!!! I leave the floor open to those more versed in the issue to come in and offer a better explanation of such phenomenon.

I will say, however, your attempt to link in pedophiles with homosexuality is at best overtly simplistic and unscientific. And at worst reveals your overt bias against gay people.

JosephThomas said:
"There is a neglectful boyfriend, who is rude and unethical. His school teaches homosexuality is acceptable and should not be considered a bad thing. Now this already sexually active, inconsiderate male is also told perversions are not only acceptable but enjoyable." ~ will this improve or worsen his behavior?

Neither. Such "teachings" do not automatically turn someone gay or make them even more horny, lol or even make them bigger ******** or less of an *******. I guess it's how the boyfriend takes such information. It won't make him suddenly gay or experiment or more prone to sex acts. Sexual Orientation is fluid to be sure, but it isn't that ****ing weak either, if you get me?
Might even be potentially beneficial, in that he is forced to think about accepting his perceived gay peers. Thereby potentially reducing the bullying that one such peer experiences (insofar as the boyfriend perpetrates it.)
Oh but what am I thinking? Bullying is okay as long as it's a queer kid, right? /sarcasm
I sincerely doubt said "information" would make the boyfriend into an even bigger douche, though.

Vishvavajra · Mar 26, 2015

JosephThomas said:
"There is a gay pride parade going on outside. and at that parade there is a "want to be/will/would be Rapists murderer and Pedophile." ~ are these people less or more likely to perpetrate their criminal acts?

Maybe it's your broken English, but I can't make sense of this. What do gay pride parades have to do with rape, murder, and pedophilia? There's no demonstrated correlation between any of those things and one's sexual preference.

"There is a neglectful boyfriend, who is rude and unethical. His school teaches homosexuality is acceptable and should not be considered a bad thing. Now this already sexually active, inconsiderate male is also told perversions are not only acceptable but enjoyable." ~ will this improve or worsen his behavior?

There is nothing remotely resembling logic in this. If a kid is behaving in an inconsiderate manner, telling him that gay people are evil isn't going to change that. Homophobic people are very inconsiderate; it hasn't done them any good.

Once sexual ideas are put in peoples heads they become corrupted by them, and obsession kicks in. Is is not corruptive to a child's imagination to advocate anal and orals ex in public?

Since when do "sexual ideas" corrupt people? People, including very young people, fantasize about sex as a natural function of our psychology. Keeping people ignorant doesn't change that; it just means the fantasies won't be very accurate. And it doesn't stop people from experimenting when they get the chance--if anything, it makes their behavior riskier, since they are curious and don't have good information. That's why places with no real sex education have higher rates of sexually-transmitted diseases and unintended pregnancy, especially among teens.

As for oral and anal sex, perhaps you didn't realize that 90% of the oral and anal sex that happens every day is happening between heterosexual couples. There's nothing specifically homosexual about either of those things, and they are not regarded as unhealthy or abnormal by medical professionals or others whose job it is to make that sort of determination. Sorry if none of that is happening at your house, but we're about a century past thinking there's anything perverse about it.

A retiree worked his entire life, and now society is filled with perverts. Is it not disturbing his peace to publicly advocate for the acceptance of anal and oral sex? While the population ignores the rapists, murders, cartels, and neglectful boyfriends and abandonment of family and women for sexual discrepancies on a regular basis?

The only thing perverse around here is your mindset. None of this makes any sense whatsoever. Gay people are not to blame for society's ills. And oral and anal sex have been accepted for a very long time. That retiree who worked his entire life has probably had his share. If not, he's a statistical anomaly. And it's fine if he's not into that, but working until retirement doesn't magically give him the right to be a censorious busybody who can tell people what they can and can't do with their genitals. And if he thinks it does, then maybe he should ask himself why he's so obsessed with everybody else's genitals. Because most of the rest of us aren't.

Saint Frankenstein · Mar 26, 2015

JosephThomas said:
umm. u seem completely confounded.

Science PROVES the negative social effects perversions have on society.
It is not a human experiment, it is a demographic experiment.

I am not talking about scientific evidence produce through social experiments int he likeness of: psychiatrists locking people up and saying, we are not letting you go until you say the medication works, and then recording all medications as being effective, to further support the industry. And if that medication doesn't work; medication #2.

"There is a gay pride parade going on outside. and at that parade there is a "want to be/will/would be Rapists murderer and Pedophile." ~ are these people less or more likely to perpetrate their criminal acts?

"There is a neglectful boyfriend, who is rude and unethical. His school teaches homosexuality is acceptable and should not be considered a bad thing. Now this already sexually active, inconsiderate male is also told perversions are not only acceptable but enjoyable." ~ will this improve or worsen his behavior?

Once sexual ideas are put in peoples heads they become corrupted by them, and obsession kicks in. Is is not corruptive to a child's imagination to advocate anal and orals ex in public?

A retiree worked his entire life, and now society is filled with perverts. Is it not disturbing his peace to publicly advocate for the acceptance of anal and oral sex? While the population ignores the rapists, murders, cartels, and neglectful boyfriends and abandonment of family and women for sexual discrepancies on a regular basis?

Why are you so obsessed with anal and oral sex? Not all gay or bisexual men like anal and oral. In fact, many never have anal sex. Straight people have much more anal than gay or bisexual men do.

Of course, that mostly leaves out lesbians, too.

JosephThomas · Mar 27, 2015

Homosexuality is a sexuality. NOt a general attraction. If you like men, are attracted to men. That is not homosexuality. Homosexuality is an actual manifested action of engaging in homosexual sex.
SEXUALITY. is in reference to an action.

Vishvavajra · Mar 27, 2015

JosephThomas said:
Homosexuality is a sexuality. NOt a general attraction. If you like men, are attracted to men. That is not homosexuality. Homosexuality is an actual manifested action of engaging in homosexual sex.
SEXUALITY. is in reference to an action.

OK. Granted, pretty much nobody recognizes that distinction, but if you say so... My question would be, why make that distinction in the first place? What is the usefulness of it?

SomeRandom · Mar 31, 2015

JosephThomas said:
Homosexuality is a sexuality. NOt a general attraction. If you like men, are attracted to men. That is not homosexuality. Homosexuality is an actual manifested action of engaging in homosexual sex.
SEXUALITY. is in reference to an action.

No, sexual orientation specifically refers to ATTRACTION not behavior.

Ahem.

Sexual orientation is an enduring pattern of romantic or sexual attraction (or a combination of these) to persons of the opposite sex or gender, the same sex or gender, or to both sexes or more than one gender

Sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

sexual orientation
noun
noun: sexual orientation; plural noun: sexual orientations

a person's sexual identity in relation to the gender to which they are attracted; the fact of being heterosexual, homosexual, or bisexual.

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sexual orientation
n.
The direction of a person's sexual interest, as towards people of the opposite sex, the same sex, or both sexes.

sexual orientation - definition of sexual orientation by The Free Dictionary

Heterosexual: a medical definition for a person who is attracted to someone with the other gender (or, literally, biological sex) than they have; often referred to as “straight” - See more at: Comprehensive List of LGBTQ+ Term Definitions

Homosexual: a medical definition for a person who is attracted to someone with the same gender (or, literally, biological sex) they have, this is considered an offensive/stigmatizing term by many members of the queer community; often used incorrectly in place of “lesbian” or “gay” - See more at: Comprehensive List of LGBTQ+ Term Definitions

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Blackmarch · Apr 13, 2015

Nietzsche said:
Monotheism seems to have the biggest problem with it. Cultures before the introduction or forcible conversion to Judaism, Christianity & Islam tended to either not-care entirely about it, or in the case of the culture I'm most familiar with(Germanic & Norse) only cared if you owned property and thus had matters of succession & inheritance to clear up. So it was seen as a duty to have a child(preferably a son but a daughter would do)...and then do what you will. But even that was only from a viewpoint concerned only with ones' responsibilities involving land, wealth & what have you. Fulfill that societal obligation and it no longer mattered beyond petty gossip, something that's going to exist regardless of what you do or who you are.

many cultures tended to not care too much about a lot of things like child sex, homosexuality, slavery, or killing outside the central unit.

as for the OP, question anytime something gets defined as wrong or unpopular it tends to get demonized. and humans are poor at using restraint or moderation.

JosephThomas · Apr 19, 2015

homosexuals are advocating anal and oral sex to children, politically corrupt people, mentally ill, criminals, disrespectful assholess, highschool students, did I mention children? retirees,
and yes, yes they are doing that
their very presence is the advocating of such behaviour.

They are perverts. The fear is not of Perverts but of social deprecation and sexual assaults

you can blah blah bl;ah on and on about how there is assaults outside homosexuality, but remember the homosexuality was present, and where it was not atheism and adultery were in the air.

Sand Dancer · May 9, 2015

The fundamentalist bent of the Abrahamic religions seem to have the biggest problem with it.

gsa · May 9, 2015

JosephThomas said:
homosexuals are advocating anal and oral sex to children, politically corrupt people, mentally ill, criminals, disrespectful assholess, highschool students, did I mention children? retirees,
and yes, yes they are doing that
their very presence is the advocating of such behaviour.

They are perverts. The fear is not of Perverts but of social deprecation and sexual assaults

you can blah blah bl;ah on and on about how there is assaults outside homosexuality, but remember the homosexuality was present, and where it was not atheism and adultery were in the air.

Homophobia is so eerily similar to anti-Semitism in its irrationality.

jeager106 · May 9, 2015

Bunyip said:
Reading many threads on homosexuality, gay marriage, LGBT concerns and so on it dawned on me that I do not know WHY homosexuality has been so demonised. It is a victimless crime if it is a crime at all, and seems to be something that concerns nobody other than the participants - so where does the fear come from? What are we afraid of? Why have so many cultures reacted so strongly against what appears to be perfectly normal behaviour?

noun ho·mo·pho·bia \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\

Definition of HOMOPHOBIA
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality orhomosexuals

I don't know.
I never had any desire to be homosexual, never had any thoughts about homsexual behavior myself.
I am 100% straight but have a strong anama or female side to my make up.
All people have what is called the anama and anamus the "ma" being the feminine parts of our personality.
I am 68 years old and pretty settled in my sexual life, that is I'm not chasing ladies any longer.
I have a nice girl friend and am happy with our relationship.
In my younger days of sampling the tender gender I found many women liked the fact that I could relate well
to women. I could also relate to homsexual men and have had several gay friends.
I feel that homosexuality is not natural. I don't see it as a crime of any sort and haven't a clue why men go out of their way
to harm gay men.
I had a friend who was gay and worked as a hospital orderly. There was a city park known as a place for gay men
to meet other gay men. One night a group of savages beat my gay friend near to death simply because he was
different. He was hospitalized for weeks with broken facial bones, a fractured skull, busted ribs and almost lost
one eye from the pounding he took.
I was a detective at that time and investigated the brutal assault making 5 arrests charging the "men" with
felonious assault which got them some prison time.
It was a brutal, disgusting, senseless crime.
I have read that men that have a strong homophobic personality have a deep rooted fear that they might want to engage
in sex with a gay man thus react badly towards gays.

Maponos · May 9, 2015

Probably because it was seen by Hebrews as a decadent thing most easily observed in the nations that conquered them/ruled over them. I don't know of homophobia in any non Abrahamic religions or religions that were affected by it save for some sects of Hindu.

enthused antagonist · May 16, 2015

Nietzsche said:
Monotheism seems to have the biggest problem with it. Cultures before the introduction or forcible conversion to Judaism, Christianity & Islam tended to either not-care entirely about it, or in the case of the culture I'm most familiar with(Germanic & Norse) only cared if you owned property and thus had matters of succession & inheritance to clear up. So it was seen as a duty to have a child(preferably a son but a daughter would do)...and then do what you will. But even that was only from a viewpoint concerned only with ones' responsibilities involving land, wealth & what have you. Fulfill that societal obligation and it no longer mattered beyond petty gossip, something that's going to exist regardless of what you do or who you are.

Excuse my ignorance...but in what culture and time did Jews forcibly convert?

enthused antagonist · May 16, 2015

jeager106 said:
noun ho·mo·pho·bia \ˌhō-mə-ˈfō-bē-ə\

Definition of HOMOPHOBIA
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality orhomosexuals

I don't know.
I never had any desire to be homosexual, never had any thoughts about homsexual behavior myself.
I am 100% straight but have a strong anama or female side to my make up.
All people have what is called the anama and anamus the "ma" being the feminine parts of our personality.
I am 68 years old and pretty settled in my sexual life, that is I'm not chasing ladies any longer.
I have a nice girl friend and am happy with our relationship.
In my younger days of sampling the tender gender I found many women liked the fact that I could relate well
to women. I could also relate to homsexual men and have had several gay friends.
I feel that homosexuality is not natural. I don't see it as a crime of any sort and haven't a clue why men go out of their way
to harm gay men.
I had a friend who was gay and worked as a hospital orderly. There was a city park known as a place for gay men
to meet other gay men. One night a group of savages beat my gay friend near to death simply because he was
different. He was hospitalized for weeks with broken facial bones, a fractured skull, busted ribs and almost lost
one eye from the pounding he took.
I was a detective at that time and investigated the brutal assault making 5 arrests charging the "men" with
felonious assault which got them some prison time.
It was a brutal, disgusting, senseless crime.
I have read that men that have a strong homophobic personality have a deep rooted fear that they might want to engage
in sex with a gay man thus react badly towards gays.

enthused antagonist · May 16, 2015

psychoslice said:
One word, fear, people fear that which they don't understand.

I disagree.
Girl on girl porn makes huge money. Men don't fear seeing two women get it on, they pursue such media/material and pay good for it.
They espouse their condemnation of it when they are expected to and when it behooves them to do so.

What inspired homophobia?

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