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When was Jesus Christ crucified?

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
@Pegg
So you are a Jehovah’s Witness, am I correct?

Here is the original Greek of Acts 12:4: 4hon kai piasas etheto eis fulakeen, paradous tessarsin tetradiois stratiootoon fulassein auton, boulomenos meta to Pascha anagagein auton too laoo.

The KJV, as you said, “was created in the 16th century”. The original Greek is “Pascha”. So you are correct in NWT’s translation to “Passover”’. As what the spirit of Ama said, the KJV is nearer the truth. I think if it is Jesus who said it, it is right. Otherwise, we evaluate whether it is true or not.

Think about what you just said. You looked at the greek text and found that the greek does use the word for 'Passover'. You looked at the KJV and you see that it uses the word 'easter' yet you still think the KJV is 'nearer the truth'??

The word easter does not appear in the greek text and the reason is because easter was not something the Apostles celebrated. Jesus apostles would not pollute their worship of Jehovah with pagan festivals....they were jewish and only followed the festivals of the mosaic law. Thats why Jesus himself was celebrating the Passover on the night before he died because he was a Jew who followed the Mosaic law which forbade the practices of false religion.

You say “easter commemorates the resurrection of him and is based on pagan religious ideas of a fertility goddess.” It is still His resurrection and Jesus is showing to us what will happen when we bore the sufferings until death. You commemorate His resurrection and that is right. Easter eggs and Easter bunnies, you may discard them because you think that they are ‘pagan religious ideas of a fertility goddess.” But you don’t discard His resurrection.

Jesus resurrection is extremely important. Even the Apostle Paul said that if Christ had not been raised up from the dead, then to follow him would be foolish and a waste of time... he said if Christ was not raised up, we might as well 'eat drink and be merry for tomorrow we are to die'

As important as the resurrection is, it is not the most important aspect of the work that Jesus accomplished. And on the night before he died, he instructed his apostles to keep his 'death' as a memorial. He instituted a celebration of his death when he passed around the wine and bread. The death of Jesus is what is most important because it is only by his death that mankind have an opportunity for everlasting life.

Easter was never mentioned by Jesus... the symbols of easter were well known among the ancient pagan religions because they originate with them.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
@peacecrusader888 if you are interested in observing the Memorial of Christs death this year, it falls on Friday April 3rd and Kingdom Halls of Jehovahs Witnesses around the world will be hosting the event. Last year over 19 million people attended the memorial service. You are welcome to attend at your local kingdom Hall.
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
What happened to the two thieves?

Were the two thieves buried or thrown in the valley below after their legs were broken and died (John 19:32)? I guess they were buried in the new sepulcher of Nicodemus also. It is only Luke 24:3 that states: “And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.” Yes, they did not find the body of Jesus. The bodies of the two thieves were not mentioned.

Isaiah 53:9 states: “And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death: because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.” Jesus was buried with the two thieves in the sepulcher owned by the rich Nicodemus.

Inhttp://aristean.org/pahayag083.htm(in Filipino language), the spirit of Ama said that Saint Helena, the mother of Emperor Constantine (in the fourth century AD), found the three crosses and 12 nails, eight of which were rusty – three each for Dimas and Hestas plus a nail each for the sign (3+3+1+1=8). Were there only three nails used to crucify Jesus plus one for sign (12-8=4)? If you will believe it, one nail was thrown to the Mediterranean Sea to calm a raging storm when Pontius Pilate died. This nail floated and found by Saint James at the Seine River in Paris, France (related by Ama inhttp://aristean.org/pahayag082.htmin Filipino language).

I believe the story: first, they are to me logically correct; second, they are corroborated by accounts in Pasiong Mahal; and third, they were related by Ama, who most, if not all, of His listeners believe that He is Jesus Christ Himself. Please read Pasiong Mahal, pp. 202-204, that Ama recommends aside from the King James Version of the Holy Bible. The Pasiong Mahal was extracted from the Bible but I find it more detailed and some not found in the Holy Bible.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
What happened to the two thieves?

Were the two thieves buried or thrown in the valley below after their legs were broken and died (John 19:32)? I guess they were buried in the new sepulcher of Nicodemus also. It is only Luke 24:3 that states: “And they entered in, and found not the body of the Lord Jesus.” Yes, they did not find the body of Jesus. The bodies of the two thieves were not mentioned.

Isaiah 53:9 states: “And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death: because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.” Jesus was buried with the two thieves in the sepulcher owned by the rich Nicodemus.

Inhttp://aristean.org/pahayag083.htm(in Filipino language), the spirit of Ama said that Saint Helena, the mother of Emperor Constantine (in the fourth century AD), found the three crosses and 12 nails, eight of which were rusty – three each for Dimas and Hestas plus a nail each for the sign (3+3+1+1=8). Were there only three nails used to crucify Jesus plus one for sign (12-8=4)? If you will believe it, one nail was thrown to the Mediterranean Sea to calm a raging storm when Pontius Pilate died. This nail floated and found by Saint James at the Seine River in Paris, France (related by Ama inhttp://aristean.org/pahayag082.htmin Filipino language).

I believe the story: first, they are to me logically correct; second, they are corroborated by accounts in Pasiong Mahal; and third, they were related by Ama, who most, if not all, of His listeners believe that He is Jesus Christ Himself. Please read Pasiong Mahal, pp. 202-204, that Ama recommends aside from the King James Version of the Holy Bible. The Pasiong Mahal was extracted from the Bible but I find it more detailed and some not found in the Holy Bible.

ok
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
@peacecrusader888 if you are interested in observing the Memorial of Christs death this year, it falls on Friday April 3rd and Kingdom Halls of Jehovahs Witnesses around the world will be hosting the event. Last year over 19 million people attended the memorial service. You are welcome to attend at your local kingdom Hall.
@Pegg
Thank you for inviting me to observe the Memorial of Christ death this year. I have attended a Memorial Service of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and I can say that they don’t follow what Jesus did.

Matthew 26:26 states: “And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and break it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.” This is similar to Mark 14:22 and Luke 22:19.

Matthew 26:27-28 state: “And he took the cup and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” This is similar to Mark 14:24 and Luke 22:20.

I say that the JWs don’t follow what Jesus did. They passed around the cup only without drinking it. And there was no bread. Why?
 

atpollard

Active Member
Who owns the sepulcher?

Accounts in the Holy Bible about Joseph of Arimathaea and Nicodemus are in Matthew 27:58, 60; Mark 15:42-43, 46; Luke 23:50-51; John 3:1-21, 19:38-39, 41-42.

Matthew 27:60 says that Joseph of Arimathaea owned the sepulcher where Jesus was laid to rest, but he was not. The spirit of Ama told us (plural) that Nicodemus owned it. It is logical to believe Ama because Nicodemus was from Jerusalem. He was a Pharisee and a member of the Sanhedrin. He was a rich person who could afford to buy such a sepulcher. Nicodemus “brought a mixture of myrrh and aloes, about a hundred pound weight” (John 19:39), which was costly.

Joseph of Arimathaea was an honorable counsellor (Mark 15:43) not residing in Jerusalem but in Arimathaea so he won’t be buying a sepulcher there (Luke 23-51). Arimathaea is generally considered to be the modern Rentis, about 35 km NW of Jerusalem or about a day’s walk away.
I had never heard of 'The spirit of Ama' before you mentioned him/her/it ... but Ama seems to say a lot of contra-Biblical things (based upon your claims for Ama).
Eventually looking up some outside data on Ama, he/she/it has an awful track record of prophecy ... like the WW3 that I must have missed.

Frankly, what real weight can any reasonable Christian assign to the historic speculations of a spirit that regularly demonstrates an epic fail at making future prophecy?
I think that I will stick with Matthew's recollections over Ama's.
 

atpollard

Active Member
Why is the KJV nearer the truth? What makes it so??
What is the difference between the KJV and any other modern english translation?
From Wikipeda ... (so use with some caution)
A number of Bible verses in the King James Version of the New Testament are not found in recent Bible translations based on modern critical texts. In the early seventeenth century printed Greek texts of the New Testament depended on manuscripts of the lateByzantine text-type and with minor variations contained what is known as the Textus Receptus.[137] With the discovery of many early manuscripts, most modern textual scholars value the evidence of manuscripts belonging to the Alexandrian family as better witnesses to the original text of the biblical authors,[138] without giving it, or any family, automatic preference.[139]

So 'modern' translations have access to some old manuscripts that were not available to the 1607-1611 translators.
A few passages have a difference in a word like "flock" vs "fold".
I suspect that a modern KJV Bible probably notes the differences in the footnotes of the affected texts.

I am always suspicious when Truth can only be found in one particular translation.
The big messages of the Bible are just not that easy to miss.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
@Pegg
Thank you for inviting me to observe the Memorial of Christ death this year. I have attended a Memorial Service of the Jehovah’s Witnesses and I can say that they don’t follow what Jesus did.

Matthew 26:26 states: “And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and break it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.” This is similar to Mark 14:22 and Luke 22:19.

Matthew 26:27-28 state: “And he took the cup and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it; For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.” This is similar to Mark 14:24 and Luke 22:20.

I say that the JWs don’t follow what Jesus did. They passed around the cup only without drinking it. And there was no bread. Why?

I dont think you have been the memorial held by JW's if you think there was no bread passsed around. Or maybe you left early??

We pass the wine and the bread and those who partake are christians who have been anointed to rule with Christ in heaven. Not all Christians are taken into the 'covenant for a kingdom' because most christians will remain on earth according to the bible. So those who are not destined to rule as kings and priests in heaven do not partake of the wine and bread because they are not part of the covenant.
Luke 22:28 However, you are the ones who have stuck with me+ in my trials;+29 and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,+30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom,+ and sit on thrones+ to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
From Wikipeda ... (so use with some caution)
A number of Bible verses in the King James Version of the New Testament are not found in recent Bible translations based on modern critical texts. In the early seventeenth century printed Greek texts of the New Testament depended on manuscripts of the lateByzantine text-type and with minor variations contained what is known as the Textus Receptus.[137] With the discovery of many early manuscripts, most modern textual scholars value the evidence of manuscripts belonging to the Alexandrian family as better witnesses to the original text of the biblical authors,[138] without giving it, or any family, automatic preference.[139]

So 'modern' translations have access to some old manuscripts that were not available to the 1607-1611 translators.
A few passages have a difference in a word like "flock" vs "fold".
I suspect that a modern KJV Bible probably notes the differences in the footnotes of the affected texts.

I am always suspicious when Truth can only be found in one particular translation.
The big messages of the Bible are just not that easy to miss.

I agree... I asked peacecrusader the question because I wanted to see if he was basing his view simply on a message by an unknown spirit or if he had actually looked into it himself to come to that conclusion. As it turns out his view is based only on the voice of an unknown spirit.
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
Matthew 28:1 and Mark 16:1

I asked in Yahoo Answers: “Is Sabbath singular or plural in Matthew 28:1 and Mark 16:1?” Kimon, maybe a native Greek linguist, answered.

Kimon said that “Matthew 28:1 seems to be in plural, but there are no punctuation marks ... Mark 16:1 is singular.”
Matthew 28:1 ¶Opse de sabbatoon tee epifooskousee eis mian sabbatoon, eelthen Mariam hee Magdaleenee kai hee allee Maria theooreesai ton tafon.

Mark 16:1 ¶Kai diagenomenou tou sabbatou, Maria hee Magdaleenee, kai Maria hee tou Iakoobou, kai Saloomee eegorasan aroomata, hina elthousai aleipsoosin auton.


You may find my question in http://aristean.org/peace173.htm .

The spirit of Ama revealed that Jesus was crucified on 08-17 which I find to be true and correct. The year is 1 BC.

Matthew 28:1 is plural because there were really more than one Sabbath following Jesus’ crucifixion. The sabbaths were:
first, the high day sabbath which I found to be the New Moon Festival on 3760 Elul 1 (1 BC 08-18) (John 19:31);
second, the regular weekly Saturday sabbath on 3760 Elul 2 (1 BC 08-19); and
third, the sabbath of the followers of Jesus on Sunday, 3760 Elul 3 (1 BC 08-20).

These three sabbaths are what Saint Paul was referring to in Acts 17:2, to wit: “And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scripture.”

Mark 16:1 is singular because it refers only to the sabbath of the followers of Jesus on Sunday, 3760 Elul 3 (1 BC 08-20). It was only after their sabbath that Mary Magdalene et al. went to the market to buy the sweet spices that they would anoint Jesus with early the following morning. Jesus was crucified in summer wherein the market was opened in the morning, closed from about noon to about 3 or 4 pm because it was hot, and opened again till 30 minutes to one hour after the sun has set. This is their only window of opportunity after the three-consecutive-day sabbaths. That Sunday was a regular market day and neither a high day nor the regular Saturday sabbath.

So those who think about a crucifixion with only one sabbath must consider that Matthew 28:1 is plural, that there were at least two sabbaths between crucifixion and resurrection.
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
I agree... I asked peacecrusader the question because I wanted to see if he was basing his view simply on a message by an unknown spirit or if he had actually looked into it himself to come to that conclusion. As it turns out his view is based only on the voice of an unknown spirit.
@Pegg
To you, the spirit of Ama may be unknown, but to me and some other listeners, the spirit is real and is Jesus Christ Himself. Did you know that I doubted that the spirit we (plural) talk to is Jesus for eleven years from 1983 to 1994? Please read my turnaround in 1994 in http://aristean.org/wp113.htm titled “From doubt to belief”.

Did you know that doubt again crept to me in 1999, five years after 1994, when I started to check the revelations of Ama that Jesus was born on 05-23 and died on 08-17? I said to myself that if they were wrong, I would recant my belief in Ama and declare Him a fraud. After my studies in 2006 using mainly the Holy Bible, I found both dates are true and correct. You may find the results of my studies in Revelation and Proofs: Jesus Christ was born on May 23, 33 B.C. and CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS CHRIST .

I checked first if the revelation is logically correct or not. For example, He said that the John referred to as the evangelist and writer of the gospel of John was John the Baptist. He also said that the groom at the wedding at Cana was also John the Baptist. The revelations are correct and based on some Holy Bible passages. The same with other revelations, like the owner of the sepulcher was Nicodemus and not Joseph of Arimathaea.
 

atpollard

Active Member
@Pegg
I checked first if the revelation is logically correct or not. For example, He said that the John referred to as the evangelist and writer of the gospel of John was John the Baptist. He also said that the groom at the wedding at Cana was also John the Baptist. The revelations are correct and based on some Holy Bible passages. The same with other revelations, like the owner of the sepulcher was Nicodemus and not Joseph of Arimathaea.
You may want to double check that fact again ...
Matthew chapter 14 describes the beheading of John the Baptist.
Mark chapter 6 describes the beheading of John the Baptist.
Luke 9:7-9 describes the beheading of John the Baptist.
John chapter 1 refers to John the Baptist in the third person ("he" did, "he" said).​

How can John the baptist write about events that happened after his death?
Why would he write about himself in the third person? (Why "He said" rather than "I said" when talking about himself?)
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
I dont think you have been the memorial held by JW's if you think there was no bread passsed around. Or maybe you left early??

We pass the wine and the bread and those who partake are christians who have been anointed to rule with Christ in heaven. Not all Christians are taken into the 'covenant for a kingdom' because most christians will remain on earth according to the bible. So those who are not destined to rule as kings and priests in heaven do not partake of the wine and bread because they are not part of the covenant.
Luke 22:28 However, you are the ones who have stuck with me+ in my trials;+29 and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant with me, for a kingdom,+30 so that you may eat and drink at my table in my Kingdom,+ and sit on thrones+ to judge the 12 tribes of Israel.
@Pegg
I remember that the cup was passed around and no one drank from it. I don’t remember the bread being passed around. If it was so, no one eat it anyway. I did not leave early. I think no one left early until the Memorial was finished.

How sure are you that only “Christians who have been anointed to rule with Christ in heaven” may partake of them? Isn’t it for everyone? Who are the Christians you are talking about?
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
You may want to double check that fact again ...
Matthew chapter 14 describes the beheading of John the Baptist.
Mark chapter 6 describes the beheading of John the Baptist.
Luke 9:7-9 describes the beheading of John the Baptist.
John chapter 1 refers to John the Baptist in the third person ("he" did, "he" said).​

How can John the baptist write about events that happened after his death?
Why would he write about himself in the third person? (Why "He said" rather than "I said" when talking about himself?)
@atpollard
It is true that John the Baptist was beheaded by Herod as you cited in:
1. Matthew 14 (not the whole chapter but verses 1-12 only);
2. Mark 6 (not the whole chapter but verses 14-29 only); and
3. Luke 9:7-9.

Can Jesus not attach the head of John the Baptist to the body and make it live again? Even Lazarus who had been dead for four days was made alive by Jesus (John 11:1-44), can Jesus not do it to him?

To whom did Jesus say this in John 19:26-27, to wit: “When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.” Who is that disciple that he [Jesus] loved?
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
@Pegg
I remember that the cup was passed around and no one drank from it. I don’t remember the bread being passed around. If it was so, no one eat it anyway. I did not leave early. I think no one left early until the Memorial was finished.

How sure are you that only “Christians who have been anointed to rule with Christ in heaven” may partake of them? Isn’t it for everyone? Who are the Christians you are talking about?

The scriptures themselves explain that only a very small number of christians will be members of the heavenly kingdom. Jesus called these ones a 'little flock' because their number is limited whereas there is no limit to the number of people who can become christians.

Look in your bible at the following verses:

Luke 22:28-30
Revelation 14:3
If you have been taken into that covenant with Jesus, you will know what your role is and you will have an understanding of the 'new song' sung by these ones.

And this is why only those who are in the 'new covenant' partake of the emblems at our meetings. Most christians are not partakers because they are not destined to rule in heaven with Christ. Most christians will be the ones who Christ and his annointed ones will rule over.
 

Pegg

Jehovah our God is One
@Pegg
To you, the spirit of Ama may be unknown, but to me and some other listeners, the spirit is real and is Jesus Christ Himself. Did you know that I doubted that the spirit we (plural) talk to is Jesus for eleven years from 1983 to 1994? Please read my turnaround in 1994 in http://aristean.org/wp113.htm titled “From doubt to belief”.

Did you know that doubt again crept to me in 1999, five years after 1994, when I started to check the revelations of Ama that Jesus was born on 05-23 and died on 08-17? I said to myself that if they were wrong, I would recant my belief in Ama and declare Him a fraud. After my studies in 2006 using mainly the Holy Bible, I found both dates are true and correct. You may find the results of my studies in Revelation and Proofs: Jesus Christ was born on May 23, 33 B.C. and CRUCIFIXION OF JESUS CHRIST .

if Jesus was born in 33bc, that would make him over 60 years old when he died, correct?

Yet the bible tells us his age when he died.
Luke 3:23 When Jesus+ began his work, he was about 30 years old,+ being the son, as the opinion was,of Joseph,+son of Heʹli,

We know Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, and the bible gives us a clue as to when John the baptist was doing his work
Luke 3:1 In the 15th year of the reign of Ti·beʹri·us Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Ju·deʹa, Herod*+ was district ruler* of Galʹi·lee, Philip his brother was district ruler of the country of It·u·raeʹa and Trach·o·niʹtis, and Ly·saʹni·as was district ruler of Ab·i·leʹne,
We also know that John the Baptist was only 6 months older then Jesus based the gospel of Matthew.

So, have a look at history for when Tiberius Caesar began to rule. His rule started in 14 bc.... now add 15 years to it...that will give you a much more accurate picture of when Jesus was born and im afraid Ama is no where near the correct time.

I checked first if the revelation is logically correct or not. For example, He said that the John referred to as the evangelist and writer of the gospel of John was John the Baptist. He also said that the groom at the wedding at Cana was also John the Baptist. The revelations are correct and based on some Holy Bible passages. The same with other revelations, like the owner of the sepulcher was Nicodemus and not Joseph of Arimathaea.

Ama is contradicting Gods written word and the writings of the Apostles.
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
THE MAN COMPELLED TO BEARTHE CROSS OF JESUS

Simon, a Cyrenian (Cyrene was the original ancient capital of the district of Cyrenaica in present-day Libya opposite the island of Crete), was compelled to bear the cross of Jesus. Here are the verses from the Holy Bible, King James Version, which mention about this man:
Matthew 27:32 - And as they came out, they found a man of Cyrene, Simon by name: him they compelled to bear his cross.
Mark 15:21 - And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.
Luke 23:26 - And as they led him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.

Assuming that the spirit of Ama is correct in His revelation that Jesus was crucified on 1 BC 08-17, equivalent to 3760 Av 30 of the Jewish calendar, 16 days after His arrest at the Garden of Gethsemane, here are what may be said:
1. Luke and Mark say that Simon was coming out of the country. That means the eight-day Passover and Passover Festival were already finished, and he had visited his family who lived in the country south of the city of Jerusalem. Mark says that he was the father of Alexander and Rufus. They were disciples of Jesus (Pasiong Mahal, page 153).
2. Jesus had been on the road for two days and could hardly walk because of the scourging He received. That is why they compelled Simon to bear the cross of Jesus to the crucifixion site on the third day. It might be an isolated road with very few passers-by. That is why when they met Simon, they compelled him.
3. Jesus was crucified on the third hour or 9am (Mark 15:25). That means, Simon met them maybe 7 or 8am. He must be taking the same route to the city taken by the entourage of Jesus.
4. Simon may be a native of Jerusalem and may just be working in Cyrene like the Filipinos who are working on contract overseas as Overseas Filipino Workers or OFWs. He might have been on home leave and attend the Passover Festival in Jerusalem, and was going back to Cyrene.
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
The scriptures themselves explain that only a very small number of christians will be members of the heavenly kingdom. Jesus called these ones a 'little flock' because their number is limited whereas there is no limit to the number of people who can become christians.

Look in your bible at the following verses:

Luke 22:28-30
Revelation 14:3
If you have been taken into that covenant with Jesus, you will know what your role is and you will have an understanding of the 'new song' sung by these ones.

And this is why only those who are in the 'new covenant' partake of the emblems at our meetings. Most christians are not partakers because they are not destined to rule in heaven with Christ. Most christians will be the ones who Christ and his annointed ones will rule over.
@Pegg
This is what King James Version of the Holy Bible that you cited state:
Luke 22:28-30
28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
29 And I appoint unto you a Kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me.
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Revelation 14:3 – “And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the four beasts, and the elders: and no man could learn that song but the hundred and forty and four thousand, which were redeemed from the earth.”

What do you mean by “redeemed from the earth”? Taken from the earth, isn’t it? The spirit of Ama said that what will be taken from the earth will only be those good people. Those who have not been good, even though they try to board the spacecraft will not be allowed. The spacecraft, I think, is what we call UFO. They will be taken by those who are as tall as “Araneta frogs” (I think he is referring to Bull Frogs).

I asked Ama if they are taken from the earth at aged 30, will they be returned aged 30 as well? He said, “No.” They will be reborn, that is, reincarnated. And they will be beautiful people.
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
if Jesus was born in 33bc, that would make him over 60 years old when he died, correct?

Yet the bible tells us his age when he died.
Luke 3:23 When Jesus+ began his work, he was about 30 years old,+ being the son, as the opinion was,of Joseph,+son of Heʹli,

We know Jesus was baptized by John the Baptist, and the bible gives us a clue as to when John the baptist was doing his work
Luke 3:1 In the 15th year of the reign of Ti·beʹri·us Caesar, when Pontius Pilate was governor of Ju·deʹa, Herod*+ was district ruler* of Galʹi·lee, Philip his brother was district ruler of the country of It·u·raeʹa and Trach·o·niʹtis, and Ly·saʹni·as was district ruler of Ab·i·leʹne,
We also know that John the Baptist was only 6 months older then Jesus based the gospel of Matthew.

So, have a look at history for when Tiberius Caesar began to rule. His rule started in 14 bc.... now add 15 years to it...that will give you a much more accurate picture of when Jesus was born and im afraid Ama is no where near the correct time.



Ama is contradicting Gods written word and the writings of the Apostles.
@Pegg
The spirit of Ama said that Jesus was born on 05-23 and died on 08-17. No year. Mainly using the Holy Bible, I found the year that He died to be 1 BC. So He died on 1 BC 08-17, and not on 33 AD. If He died in 1 BC, He must have been born in 34 BC. But using the lunar eclipse that Flavius Josephus mentioned and the lunar eclipse table that Fred Espenak of NASA prepared, I came to conclusion that it was not in 34 BC when Jesus was born. It was in 33 BC. Please see my post in Christianity DIR.

Yes, John the Baptist was six months older than Jesus. He was born on 34 BC 11-18.
 

peacecrusader888

Active Member
JESUS WAS CRUCIFIED ON THURSDAY (Section 1 of 2)

The spirit of Ama says that Jesus was crucified and died on 08-17. Since most, if not all, of His listeners believe that He is the spirit of Jesus Christ, they have followed the date.

I found the year to be 1 BC. Basically, this is what happened when Jesus was crucified and died on 1 BC 08-17:
Thursday, 3760 Av 30, 1 BC 08-17 – Preparation Day; crucifixion of Jesus, died at exactly 12noon; burial of Jesus
Friday, 3760 Elul 1, 1 BC 08-18 – High day sabbath being the New Moon Festival; first night and first day in the sepulcher; shops closed
Saturday, 3760 Elul 2, 1 BC 08-19 – Regular weekly Saturday sabbath; second night and second day in the sepulcher; shops closed
Sunday, 3760 Elul 3, 1 BC 08-20 – Sabbath of the followers of Jesus; third night and third day in the sepulcher; He resurrected after three days and three nights (about 72 hours) of Sunday or in the evening of Monday; regular trading day
Monday, 3760 Elul 4, 1 BC 08-21 – Discovery that the body of Jesus was not in the sepulcher; Resurrection

What happens on a sabbath day? There is work restriction. Shops are closed. Usually, there is a holy convocation. And there were burnt-, grain-, wine-, and/or sin-offerings. What are the high day sabbath days? They are the first and seventh days of the Passover Festival, Harvest Festival or Pentecost or Feast of Weeks, New Year Festival, Day of Atonement, first and eighth days of the Festival of Tabernacles or Shelters or Ingathering, and New Moon Festival.

The sabbath days when Jesus was crucified and died were:
1. A high day sabbath which was the New Moon Festival on 3760 Elul 1, a Friday;
2. The regular weekly Saturday sabbath, 3760 Elul 2; and
3. The Sabbath Day observed by the followers of Jesus, 3760 Elul 3, a Sunday.

The Jews believe that the seventh day of the week is Saturday. Hence, the first day of the week is Sunday. It uses the Jewish lunisolar calendar and the day starts at sundown (about 6pm). However, in the Julian and Gregorian solar calendars, Sunday is the seventh day of the week. Hence, Monday is its first day. The day starts after 12 midnight.
 
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