Tumah
Veteran Member
Bear with me:
Before anything (inb4 atheist retort) there was no other existence except G-d. No time, not space, not even Coca Cola. G-d is everything. There is no concept except G-d. All there is, is G-d.
Now according to Christians, the next step is that we need to create a Jesus.
In order to perform this step, a few things need to exist:
- Time - if we are going to make a change in the current existence, then time will have passed.
- The concept of something that is not what was before - Until now, all there was, was G-d and He was the only concept that existed. Even if the change is within G-d somehow as soon as we can stop using the word G-d or Father, we have created a new concept that didn't exist previously.
- An environment for this new existence - in order for this new entity to exist, it has to have some conceptual room for the possibility of its existence. And don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about physical space. I am saying that two things can't exist simultaneously in the same conceptual space while remaining distinct. Try to imagine a bear that's a cat. Even though your imagination doesn't occupy physical space, an item can either be a bear or a cat.
- Numbers - If there was only one existence and now there are two existences, even if on some level they are really the same thing, the second that we can differentiate between them with regards to some aspect, we have created numbers.
These points are meant to express that Jesus could not have been the first existence to be created who then went and created the world. His existence would inherently either inherently include other existences to be created, -in which he is one of the first - or would require that they pre-exist him.
Before anything (inb4 atheist retort) there was no other existence except G-d. No time, not space, not even Coca Cola. G-d is everything. There is no concept except G-d. All there is, is G-d.
Now according to Christians, the next step is that we need to create a Jesus.
In order to perform this step, a few things need to exist:
- Time - if we are going to make a change in the current existence, then time will have passed.
- The concept of something that is not what was before - Until now, all there was, was G-d and He was the only concept that existed. Even if the change is within G-d somehow as soon as we can stop using the word G-d or Father, we have created a new concept that didn't exist previously.
- An environment for this new existence - in order for this new entity to exist, it has to have some conceptual room for the possibility of its existence. And don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about physical space. I am saying that two things can't exist simultaneously in the same conceptual space while remaining distinct. Try to imagine a bear that's a cat. Even though your imagination doesn't occupy physical space, an item can either be a bear or a cat.
- Numbers - If there was only one existence and now there are two existences, even if on some level they are really the same thing, the second that we can differentiate between them with regards to some aspect, we have created numbers.
These points are meant to express that Jesus could not have been the first existence to be created who then went and created the world. His existence would inherently either inherently include other existences to be created, -in which he is one of the first - or would require that they pre-exist him.
