Sapiens
Polymathematician
It is less that I know I am right and more that I know you are wrong, your arguments all fail because they are based on the same, unproven, initial premise.
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It is less that I know I am right and more that I know you are wrong, your arguments all fail because they are based on the same, unproven, initial premise.
It is less that I know I am right and more that I know you are wrong, your arguments all fail because they are based on the same, unproven, initial premise.
That's just because you've remarkably low standards for proof, and yes ... the existence of a "God" does need evidence to be taken seriously, remember ... "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."I have all the proof I need.
God doesn't need to "prove" himself to anyone. You can take him or leave him...it's entirely up to you....Believe it or not.....
No ... earthquakes are the result of the movement of the Earth's crust. Deep valleys are not created, deep valleys are the result of erosional processes. Many parts of the ocean are kilometers deep, I've been there, have you? Mountains are cause by volcanic and ridge processes or the crumpling of crustal plates.Earthquakes can cause huge upheavals in earths crust. Deep valleys are created when this happens. Some parts of the ocean are kilometres deep. No one said the mountains had to grow like a plant.
That's just because you've remarkably low standards for proof, and yes ... the existence of a "God" does need evidence to be taken seriously, remember ... "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
No ... earthquakes are the result of the movement of the Earth's crust. Deep valleys are not created, deep valleys are the result of erosional processes. Many parts of the ocean are kilometers deep, I've been there, have you? Mountains are cause by volcanic and ridge processes or the crumpling of crustal plates.
Faith is never a proof, look it up, it is quite the opposite ("strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.")My remarkably low standard of proof is called faith. Without this very important quality, the Creator cannot exist in the heart or mind. It is a blindness that is exacerbated by ego and a need to be rid of anything that appears to argue with what some believe is scientific fact. The Bible says "knowledge puff up"...I can see that this is a very true statement.
There's a classic cop-out. See: Debunking Christianity: How Could God Reveal Himself to Us?God will not reveal himself to anyone like that. (James 4:6)
“I suppose that one reason I have always detested religion is its sly tendency to insinuate the idea that the universe is designed with 'you' in mind or, even worse, that there is a divine plan into which one fits whether one knows it or not. This kind of modesty is too arrogant for me.”There appears to be a lot of arrogance among those who wish to disparage believers.
You are right, I have nothing to worry about and you look like ...We must look like a bunch of moronic twits to people like yourself....but we don't care. At the end of the day, it's what we look like to God that counts. (1 Cor 1:18-25) If he doesn't exist...you have nothing to worry about.
Now there's that arrogance again.Since I am not aware of the processes used by the Creator of the universe to accomplish what he states happened....I rely on faith in a power greater than all the scientists in the world.....the great scientist behind the science. He will reveal all in his due time.
But science is never "proven wrong." More advanced concepts replace less advanced ones and the texts are rewritten, unlike religion which is, when proven wrong, hung on the dilemma of either clinging childlike to that which is wrong, or shattering into tiny pieces ... stuck with an incorrect Bible and no way to fix it. Talk about ego without merit.Since he has not provided details about how or when he took action in the pre-historic past, I will wait on him to provide those details. When we have regained our mental capacity to the extent that we can all understand his methods, I am sure we will all be able to comprehend his methods and his wisdom. It appears for now, to be in the realms of the impossible to determine with any real certainty what took place at any given time...or how. Science is sure it has the answers up until the time that they are proven wrong, needing then to rewrite the textbooks. So we will wait and see, won't we?
Faith is never a proof, look it up, it is quite the opposite ("strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.")
So you're saying that your all powerful deity is totally dependent for existence upon your (and your coreligionists') "spiritual apprehension?"
I'd say that the ego is all on your side, an all powerful being who deigns to be in a relationship with you and who is dependent upon your "spiritual apprehension" for his existence, that's both heady and crackpot stuff.
Pleas show us all were the Bible uses the phrase: "knowledge puff up." It must be in some weird translation I've never seen.
There's a classic cop-out. See: Debunking Christianity: How Could God Reveal Himself to Us?
“I suppose that one reason I have always detested religion is its sly tendency to insinuate the idea that the universe is designed with 'you' in mind or, even worse, that there is a divine plan into which one fits whether one knows it or not. This kind of modesty is too arrogant for me.”
― Christopher Hitchens, Hitch-22: A Memoir
You are right, I have nothing to worry about and you look like ...
Now there's that arrogance again.
But science is never "proven wrong." More advanced concepts replace less advanced ones and the texts are rewritten, unlike religion which is, when proven wrong, hung on the dilemma of either clinging childlike to that which is wrong, or shattering into tiny pieces ... stuck with an incorrect Bible and no way to fix it. Talk about ego without merit.
That's the Emperor's New Clothes, I'm not buying.It is to those who possess it. (2 Thess 3:2)
No, that is not what I said at all......I said that without faith, God cannot exist in ones mind or heart....God's existence is not altered by whether I believe in him or not. He will prove his existence to all soon enough.
There is an argument that belief has an evolutionary basis. But that does not make what is believed real.I have no problem at all with the definition......
Apprehension: (Merriam-Webster)
a : the act or power of perceiving or comprehending (Spiritually)
b : the result of apprehending mentally : conception (Spiritually)
Humans are inherently spiritual. That is a fact. It is cynicism and doubt that destroys spirituality. (James 1:5-8)
I am not a whole human being? I do not sense that anything is missing.When that side of us is not fed, we fail to be whole human beings. We always sense that something is missing.
Hardly.You are destroying a strawman of your own making.
Can't say it's a major pastime ... it's rather a waste of time.1 Corinthians 8:1-3 "Now about food sacrificed to idols: We know that “We all possess knowledge.” But knowledge puffs up while love builds up. Those who think they know something do not yet know as they ought to know. But whoever loves God is known by God." (NIV)
1 Corinthians 8:1-3 "With regard to food sacrificed to idols, we know that “we all have knowledge.” Knowledge puffs up, but love builds up. If someone thinks he knows something, he does not yet know to the degree that he needs to know. But if someone loves God, he is known by God." (NET)
1 Corinthians 8:1-3 "Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge puffs up, but love edifies. And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know. But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him." (NKJV)
Weird translations you have never seen? Hmmmm.....don't read the Bible I take it.
I must admit that I know little of your beliefs, so I have to look them up. Here's what I find ... it's damned near prophetic:There is much in Christendom to detest. That is why I left it. The above quote makes it clear that many atheists are not fooled by Christendom's view of herself. The thing is...neither is God. This is where the arrogance comes in. You cannot assume that Christendom represents Christianity, especially in the face of Jesus' parable of the "wheat and the weeds".
If it was foretold that a great apostasy was coming (already at work when the apostles were still alive) then why should anyone be surprised when it reared its ugly head?
Now you've given me good reason to kick you off my porch.But the scripture I quoted above also demonstrates that those who do not genuinely love God will never know him and will never be known by him. God is under no obligation to 'cast his peals before swine' and neither are we. We have a message...take it or leave it. It is not the message preached by Christendom....we don't even worship the same god.
Frankly I think you're nuts.It is a message of hope based on the power of a purposeful Creator. Throwing the baby out with the bath water will not ensure the secure future we are all invited to share.
Something you should learn before you wander thorough other peoples' neighborhoods advertising your beliefs to them:Please don't confuse arrogance with confidence. They are very different.
Like I said, I left Christendom a long time ago because of those very things. Doctrines that have been proven wrong but they continue to 'cling child-like' to those teachings, even though the Bible disproves them.
You can argue with Lilliputian glee the fine points of the book you both read, I say a plague on both your ignorances.
I was not talking about "that kind of Christianity" (though it applies), I was talking about your kind of Christianity, which also fits.You cannot "fix" what you don't acknowledge. I agree, that kind of Christianity is moronic. It is not the kind I practice.
You ALWAYS will. That kind of faith is foolish. I know that much of what I "know" today will change and I revel in that.Proving Christendom wrong however, is not proving God or the Bible wrong. That is where we part company. I have faith in the Bible and in its author. I always will.
Science has cause no destruction, we leave that to the religionists and the engineers.Where will it get me putting faith in science when it has caused more destruction on this planet than religion ever knew how to?
That's the Emperor's New Clothes, I'm not buying.
That is not surprising.I am not a whole human being? I do not sense that anything is missing.
I must admit that I know little of your beliefs, so I have to look them up. Here's what I find ... it's damned near prophetic:
Now you've given me good reason to kick you off my porch.
Frankly I think you're nuts.
Something you should learn before you wander thorough other peoples' neighborhoods advertising your beliefs to them:
It is kind of catchy.Of course the video is a shameless crock of ****
but I couldn't resist sharing it because it's so damn silly
(I've put this in the Evolution Vs Creationism forum because I found it on a creationist web site)
All sing together now, "Billions of dead thing, buried in the rock layers.... "It is kind of catchy.
OK, tell us:
- Do you call all Christians "agents of Satan", or the "evil tares" (or "evil weeds") spoken of in Matthew 13:37-39? . . . . .
. . . . . 25. Did the Jehovah's Witnesses say, in 1989 that: Christian missionary work begun in the first century would "be completed in our 20th century"? When republished in bound volumes, was the phrase "in our 20th century" replaced with the less specific "in our day"?
Doesn't say much for the religion or its millions of followers. Nor do these *sigh*
The Watch Tower Bible & Tract Society,
Teaches that Christians “are divine beings — hence all such are Gods, thus we have a family of God….in the resurrection we will rise in our true character as Gods
(Zion’s Watch Tower, December 1881, pp. 2-3)
Teaches that white skin is better than black skin and that “the white race exhibits some qualities of superiority over any other.”
(Zion’s Watch Tower, October 1, 1900, p. 296; Zion’s Watch Tower, July 15, 1902, p. 216)
Teaches that the shape of one’s brain determines his responsiveness to God.
(The Watch Tower, March 15, 1913, p. 84; Pennsylvania Superior Court Reports, vol. 37, p. 351)
Teaches that Jehovah “governs his universe” from the star “Alcyone” in the Pleiades constellation.
(Thy Kingdom Come, (Studies, vol. 3) p. 327)
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Please explain. I'd love to hear about how I'm a social Darwinist.Meanwhile all the atheists and evolutionists on the forum are social darwinists of one kind or another. In 2015 right here right now.
If I thought you knew anything at all about evolution I'd take your comment seriously, but seeing as I don't . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Meanwhile all the atheists and evolutionists on the forum are social darwinists of one kind or another. In 2015 right here right now.