How many kids...

Bishka · Apr 20, 2006

Buttons* said:
how could you possibly know the difference of knowing me or not knowing me if i had never existed?

I know I would be friendless, I wouldn't have the same friendship and happiness I have right now. If you never existed, then I would be missing out on something. I guess I could just feel it, but I'm glad you exist!!!

Very glad!

Valjean · Apr 20, 2006

beckysoup61 said:
I don't. I think you are a great asset to society. If you weren't born, how would I have met you and had such a great friend I could confide in, in this particular time of my life. You are one of my greatest friends, and I think God sent you hear at this time, so that I would have a friend.:flower: :flower:

However much Buttons, or anyone, contributes to society, we are all a detriment to the planet. Our needs necessitate mining, deforestation, food production industries, &c, which negatively impact Earth's life-support system.
Our primary responsibility is not to our society, but to our Planet.

I'd strongly urge anyone wanting to be a parent to consider adoption. Adoption alleviates rather than contributes to human misery.

evearael · Apr 20, 2006

I agree with your adoption stance. The process should definitely be streamlined and fees cut dramatically to facilitate it as an option.

Buttons* · Apr 20, 2006

Seyorni said:
However much Buttons, or anyone, contributes to society, we are all a detriment to the planet. Our needs necessitate mining, deforestation, food production industries, &c, which negatively impact Earth's life-support system.
Our primary responsibility is not to our society, but to our Planet.
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i agree with you

Feathers in Hair · Apr 20, 2006

Just as a general note, we may wish to move further debate into a thread more appropriate for it. I would be happy to make one, if anyone wishes.

Hope · Apr 20, 2006

I'm undecided about having my own kids. I'm one of 8 children, and seeing firsthand what my mother had to go through ( I still don't know how she managed! ), kind of deters me from wanting a lot of children---or any. Which seems contradictory, because I love kids, and my job as a nanny attests to that. I think some women are simply better suited to be mommies. And a very select few are suited to be mommies to lots of children. I simply don't see myself as great mother material. I'm afraid I'll make the same mistakes my own mother did.

I have a huge soft spot though, for orphans---particularly foreign orphans---so if I do decide to have kids, I'd probably adopt.

dawny0826 · Apr 20, 2006

My husband would like four. I would like to have one more.

Booko · Apr 20, 2006

evearael said:
How many kids do you want (or have, if you are done), and why? What factors influence your decision?

We thought maybe we wanted 3 kids, but then one day I accidentally heard a coworker on her phone during lunch, and she said to someone, "The thing is, once you have more than 2 kids, you are outnumbered." Then not too many weeks later, someone remarked, "You know you have one too many kids when you have one too many kids." So we didn't exactly rush off to have 3 after all. Then I had a hysterectomy, so we had to stop at 2 kids. We are quite content.

I once thought I wanted no kids. But then, I once thought I would never get married either, so go figure.

Booko · Apr 20, 2006

FeathersinHair said:
Just as a general note, we may wish to move further debate into a thread more appropriate for it. I would be happy to make one, if anyone wishes.

Could you? I wanted to respond to Seyorni's post, but it would be very off topic.

FerventGodSeeker · Apr 20, 2006

I want at least one boy and at least one girl.

FerventGodSeeker

ChrisP · Apr 20, 2006

Also a Nonery

Umm I don't want kids, because... hell I want kids, but just don't think it's fair to bring them into the lifestyle that seems to be around now. Maybe if we lived in a tribal camp or hippy commune or something.

Evenstar · Apr 21, 2006

beckysoup61 said:
I hope you both have one if that's what you want.

Hmmmmm Becky, you hope we both have one, last time I looked Jeff couldn't conceive, see he is a man

Wasnt sure if you realized this :biglaugh:

Bishka · Apr 21, 2006

Seyorni said:
However much Buttons, or anyone, contributes to society, we are all a detriment to the planet. Our needs necessitate mining, deforestation, food production industries, &c, which negatively impact Earth's life-support system.
Our primary responsibility is not to our society, but to our Planet.

I'd strongly urge anyone wanting to be a parent to consider adoption. Adoption alleviates rather than contributes to human misery.

Adoption is very good, but maybe we should encourage those teenage girls who have no protection and go out and do whatever the hell they want to stop doing it??

I also agree adoption costs should be cut, not everybody can adopt anyways.

Bishka · Apr 21, 2006

Evenstar said:
Hmmmmm Becky, you hope we both have one, last time I looked Jeff couldn't conceive, see he is a man
Wasnt sure if you realized this :biglaugh:

You know what I meant!

Ciscokid · Apr 21, 2006

I gots me 3 kids. They's all I wants...today I am firing blanks.

SoyLeche · Apr 21, 2006

Seyorni said:
However much Buttons, or anyone, contributes to society, we are all a detriment to the planet. Our needs necessitate mining, deforestation, food production industries, &c, which negatively impact Earth's life-support system.
Our primary responsibility is not to our society, but to our Planet.

I'd strongly urge anyone wanting to be a parent to consider adoption. Adoption alleviates rather than contributes to human misery.

I haven't really thought this through -- but what would an adoption-only policy do to the future gene-pool. If I were to do that, I would be consciously removing my DNA from the world when I die. Is that something that I would want to do?

Like I said, I haven't thought this through - so any input would be appreciated. Not only that, but it's all hypothetical, because I already have a son, and am hoping for at least 4 more kids.

ChrisP · Apr 21, 2006

SoyLeche said:
I haven't really thought this through -- but what would an adoption-only policy do to the future gene-pool. If I were to do that, I would be consciously removing my DNA from the world when I die. Is that something that I would want to do?

Like I said, I haven't thought this through - so any input would be appreciated. Not only that, but it's all hypothetical, because I already have a son, and am hoping for at least 4 more kids.

I'm going to agree with Seyorni AND You... cos I'm wishy washy like that.

I agree that Seyorni's suggestion would limit our gene pool, but I also agree that we really need to start limiting our population. It's growth is a logarithm after all, and it's already at a limit that is barely sustainable. What will we do once we've used all the resources we have now. Wither up and die is about the only answer. Civilisation will regress, as it has done before and probably will again. I can't see this actually happening but what I would propose is an international limitation of 1 child per pair of parents, similar to what China now has in place. I know this would upset manymanymany people but if you want more than one you can always adopt. Is there a better option? We're strangling ourselves to death as it is.

SoyLeche · Apr 21, 2006

ChrisP said:
I'm going to agree with Seyorni AND You... cos I'm wishy washy like that.

I agree that Seyorni's suggestion would limit our gene pool, but I also agree that we really need to start limiting our population. It's growth is a logarithm after all, and it's already at a limit that is barely sustainable. What will we do once we've used all the resources we have now. Wither up and die is about the only answer. Civilisation will regress, as it has done before and probably will again. I can't see this actually happening but what I would propose is an international limitation of 1 child per pair of parents, similar to what China now has in place. I know this would upset manymanymany people but if you want more than one you can always adopt. Is there a better option? We're strangling ourselves to death as it is.

Talk about a social security nightmare. With people living longer, that leads to every person in the workforce potentially having to support 2 parents and 4 grandparents in their retirement years - and we thought that the ratio was getting bad now. (I just read an article about China's social security problems that they are dealing with for an Actuarial exam that I have to take.)

Buttons* · Apr 21, 2006

whenever I hear the argument, "we are supposed to replenish the earth" It always makes me think, "what have people even done for the earth except screw it up?"

... needless to say, i really dislike that argument. The worlds population is enormous, do we really need any more "replenishing" going on?

ChrisP · Apr 21, 2006

SoyLeche said:
Talk about a social security nightmare. With people living longer, that leads to every person in the workforce potentially having to support 2 parents and 4 grandparents in their retirement years - and we thought that the ratio was getting bad now. (I just read an article about China's social security problems that they are dealing with for an Actuarial exam that I have to take.)

Definitely agree SoyLeche

whenever I hear the argument, "we are supposed to replenish the earth" It always makes me think, "what have people even done for the earth except screw it up?"

... needless to say, i really dislike that argument. The worlds population is enormous, do we really need any more "replenishing" going on?

Another argument from a Christian perspective for "end of days"

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