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James Dobson is Hitler Reincarnated!!!!

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
One last claim we'll look at that Dr. Dobson and Focus on the Family makes about BGLT people: Gays and lesbians are sick, ungodly people who want “special rights” not civil rights.

“The apostle Paul described a similar society in Romans 1, which addressed the epidemic of homosexuality that was rampant in the ancient world and especially in Rome at that time. He wrote, ‘They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless’ (v. 29-31, NIV). It appears likely now that the demise of families will accelerate this type of decline dramatically, resulting in a chaotic culture that will be devastating to children.” - Dr. James Dobson, Focus on the Family Newsletter, April 2004 (mailed to over two million people and read on his March 24, 2004 radio broadcast).

“Communities do not let prostitutes, pedophiles, voyeurs, adulterers, and those who sexually prefer animals to publicly celebrate their lifestyles, so why should homosexuals get such privileges?” - James Dobson’s War On America, Gil Alexander-Moegerle Prometheus Books, 1997.

“Is it possible to be a totally healthy person who is also homosexual? NARTH did a very extensive study . . . and found everything from cigarette smoking, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, greater depression, anxiety, poor longterm relationships, sadomasochism, anonymous sexual encounters, lesbians are more unfaithful to their partners than heterosexual women . . . it goes on and on and on.” - Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, Focus on the Family’s “Love Won Out” conference, Oklahoma City, 2003.

“Solid, irrefutable evidence proves that there are lethal consequences to engaging in the defining features of male homosexuality—that is, promiscuity.” - Straight Answers, Exposing the Myths and Facts About Homosexuality, Focus on the Family’s Love Won Out series, p. 12.

“It is not glamorous or exciting. It is not thrilling or fulfilling. Instead, it’s lonely, confusing, and in the end, often leaves the individual hopeless and, in some cases, terminally ill.” - Teaching Captivity, Focus on the Family’s “Love Won Out” series, p. 3.

“Scripture tells us that Satan is the great deceiver and the father of all lies. I believe that Satan uses the gay activist movement to further his goals here on Earth. Satan would love nothing more than to destroy the traditional family. And if our government redefines marriage to include same-sex relationships, I am certain Satan would be just delighted. So, I think, as believers we always have to differentiate between that homosexual individual—whom God loves so dearly and who is made in His image—and the gay activist movement, which I believe is a tool of Satan.” - Dr. Bill Maier in an interview with Pete Winn, The Unhappy Truth About Being Gay, Focus on the Family’s Citizenlink, July 16, 2004.

“Slowly but surely, it seems the government is embracing this view and granting special rights to the homosexual community for what is behaviorally based identity rather than a true genetic one.” - Ibid. p. 8.


What others, including other Christians, have to say:

Coretta Scott King
“I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice . . . But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King, Jr., said, ‘Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere’ . . . I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King, Jr.,’s dream to make room at the table of brotherhood and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people.” - Coretta Scott King, 25th anniversary luncheon for Lambda Defense and Education Fund, March 31, 1998

“Gay and lesbian people have families, and their families should have legal protection, whether by marriage or civil union. A constitutional amendment banning same-sex marriages is a form of gay bashing, and it would do nothing at all to protect traditional marriages.” - Coretta Scott King, speech at The Richard Stockton College of New Jersey, USA Today, March 24, 2004

“We are all tied together in a single garment of destiny . . . I can never be what I ought to be until you are allowed to be what you ought to be,” she said, quoting from her husband. “I’ve always felt that homophobic attitudes and policies were unjust and unworthy of a free society and must be opposed by all Americans who believe in democracy.” - Coretta Scott King, 25th anniversary luncheon for Lambda Defense and Education Fund , quoted in the Chicago Sun Times, April 1, 1998

“Gays and lesbians stood up for civil rights in Montgomery, Selma, in Albany, Georgia, and St. Augustine, Florida, and many other campaigns of the Civil Rights Movement. Many of these courageous men and women were fighting for my freedom at a time when they could find few voices for their own, and I salute their contributions.” - Coretta Scott King, 25th anniversary luncheon for Lambda Defense and Education Fund, quoted in the Chicago Tribune, April 1, 1998

“We have a lot of work to do in our common struggle against bigotry and discrimination. I say ‘common struggle,’ because I believe very strongly that all forms of bigotry & discrimination are equally wrong and should be opposed by right-thinking Americans everywhere. Freedom from discrimination based on sexual orientation is surely a fundamental human right in any great democracy, as much as freedom from racial, religious, gender, or ethnic discrimination.” - Coretta Scott King, Opening Plenary Session, 13th annual Creating Change conference of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, Atlanta, Georgia, November 9, 2000

“We have to launch a campaign against homophobia in the black community.” - Coretta Scott King, Reuters, June 8, 2001

“Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood. This sets the stage for further repression and violence that spread all too easily to victimize the next minority group.” - Coretta Scott King, a speech at the Palmer Hilton Hotel, quoted in the Chicago Defender, April 1, 1998
Rev. Dr. James Lawson (A distinguished United Methodist pastor who worked with Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., to train the young people who staged the lunch counter sit-ins and Freedom Rides):
“Gays and lesbians have a more difficult time than we did. We had our families and our churches on our side. All too often, they have neither.” -www.soulforce.org/clevelandmarch.html.
Rev. Dr. Lewis Smedes (Biblical scholar, teacher, and author for over fifty years):
“I believe the Church’s treatment of homosexuality has become the greatest heresy in the history of the Church. It’s living heresy, because it’s treating God’s children as if they weren’t God’s children.” - There’s A Wideness In God’s Mercy, Rev. Dr. Lewis Smedes, Video on Romans 1, Soulforce, Inc.

Congressman John Lewis (A young civil rights leader who was twentythree years old when he spoke at the 1963 March On Washington):
“We hurt our fellow citizens and our community when we deny gay people civil marriage and its protections and responsibilities. Rather than divide and discriminate, let us come together and create one nation. We are all one people. We all live in the American house. We are all the American family. Let us recognize that the gay people living in our house share the same hopes, troubles, and dreams. It is time we treated them as equals, as family.” - www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2003/10/25/
at_a_crossroads_on_gay_unions/.

“We cannot keep turning our backs on gay and lesbian Americans. I have fought too hard and too long against discrimination based on race and color not to stand up against discrimination based on sexual orientation. I’ve heard the reasons for opposing civil marriage for same-sex couples. Cut through the distractions, and they stink of the same fear, hatred, and intolerance I have known in racism and in bigotry.” - The Boston Globe, Nov. 25. 2003.

 

Mister_T

Forum Relic
Premium Member
michel said:
I was feeling absurdly 'Out of it' because I didn't know who James Dobson is, but after that post, Maize, I don't think I want to..................



Well, of course, Jenna, we all know that to be true.:eek:
I also didn't know who was until now.

And like Michel, I don't want to after reading this thread.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Ok, now I ask you, given the evidence presented, claims from Dr. Dobson and Focus on the Family, and the rebuttals by professionals and experts:
  • Do you understand how Dr. Dobson’s words confuse Christian parents whose children are gay, lesbian, bisexual, or transgender and lead to unnecessary pain and suffering in those families?
  • Do you understand how his teachings lead some gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender people to commit or attempt suicide?
  • Can you see why some unstable people cite religious beliefs as justification for injuring or even killing a lesbian, gay, bisexual, or transgender person?
  • Can you see how Dr. Dobson’s influence on public policy and politics contributes to unjust laws that deny full equality to same-gender families?
Dr. Dobson's teachings lead to mistreatment and willful misunderstandings of BGLT people. How can we call him anything other than hateful and hurtful towards BGLT people?
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
robtex said:
What would be interesting to find out is what percentage of Christians who are first exposed to Dobson already have issues with homosexuality that were similar to Dobson's and which ones did not but he converted them to his theories on homosexuality.

Dobson was my only source when I was a teenager.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
angellous_evangellous said:
*Angellous delves into his considerable arsenol of anti-Dobson canon fodder*

EDIT: Just kidding. I think that Maize's source is correct, despite its appearance as anti-Dobsonian propaganda.

:clap Bring him down!:clap

The booklet I drew heavily from does take on Dobson directly, but the author clearly states at the beginning that, "I do not consider Dr. Dobson my enemy. Misunderstanding is the enemy. We are both children of the same loving Creator, and I genuinely appreciate the many ways he has helped heterosexual families around the globe."

However, Dr. Dobson and Focus on the Family has been at the forefront of misinformation and distortions about BGLT people. According to the Focus on the Family website, more than 200 million people hear the commentaries of Dr. James Dobson every day. He’s heard on nearly 4,000 radio facilities in North America and in twenty languages on approximately 3,300 facilities in over 116 other countries. In addition to radio, he routinely speaks out against gay and lesbian families on eighty television stations, and in books, cassettes, videos, and DVDs. - That's a lot of people receiving bad information about BGLT people!

The only way to clear up the misunderstandings and distortions that Dr, Dobson and Focus on the Family create is to debunk and correct what they say. It is not intended to defame Dr. Dobson himself, just to call into question the claims he makes about BGLT people and their familes.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I think it's abundantly clear that James Dobson is responsible for widely disseminating false, inaccurate, and misleading information about homosexuals in order to further his religious, political and social agenda. Does his responsibility for those lies mean he is personally hateful towards homosexuals, or that he's just deluded about homosexuals, or that he's just fearful of homosexuals, or something else? Would you think his lies are any less wrong and hurtful if he was motivated by one thing rather than another? Do his lies wrong and hurt any fewer people if they are motivated by delusion rather than hatefulness?

In terms of the consequences his lies have on people, Dobson is surely among the worst anti-homosexual activists in the country, despite that he is typically a genial man in person.
 

kevmicsmi

Well-Known Member
Maize said:
Ok, now I really need a coffee and to get some work done... :faint:

Wow Maize thank you for the time you took with all your posts!!!!:bow: Of course after skimming through all those pages everything around me looks green:149: . I think I disagree with a few of your premises, agree with you on parts, and am not sure on others. I will try to respond to you as quickly as posssible, but with so much information you presented, it may take a while......Oh yeah, and for a sufficient response Ill need your adress so I can send you my doctor bill for treating my soon to be new case of carpel tunnel:D
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
robtex said:
What would be interesting to find out is what percentage of Christians who are first exposed to Dobson already have issues with homosexuality that were similar to Dobson's and which ones did not but he converted them to his theories on homosexuality.

Not this Christian.

I don't agree with right wing Christian conservative attacks on homosexuality.

Still...I don't think James Dobson qualifies as an anti-Christ.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
dawny0826 said:
Still...I don't think James Dobson qualifies as an anti-Christ.

I don't think anyone
on this thread has made the claim that Dr. Dobson is an anti-Christ, unless I missed it. :confused:
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
kevmicsmi said:
I think I disagree with a few of your premises, agree with you on parts, and am not sure on others.
All of the statements and quotes I posted have their sources cited with them. Please feel free to verify them if you doubt their authenticity.
 

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
standing_alone said:
Yeah, I didn't notice any claims that Dobson is the anti-Christ, either.

Come to think of it I don't recall anyone
ever saying that Dr. Dobson is Hitler reincarnated either. So the title of the thread puzzles me. :confused:
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
standing_alone said:
Yeah, I didn't notice any claims that Dobson is the anti-Christ, either.

I will make that claim.

Dobson is the anti-Christ.

1 John 4

Test the Spirits

1Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

4You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. 5They are from the world and therefore speak from the viewpoint of the world, and the world listens to them. 6We are from God, and whoever knows God listens to us; but whoever is not from God does not listen to us. This is how we recognize the Spirit[a] of truth and the spirit of falsehood. God's Love and Ours

7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son[b] into the world that we might live through him. 10This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for[c] our sins. 11Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

13We know that we live in him and he in us, because he has given us of his Spirit. 14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in him and he in God. 16And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.
God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in him. 17In this way, love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment, because in this world we are like him. 18There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. 19We love because he first loved us. 20If anyone says, "I love God," yet hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Whoever loves God must also love his brother.

Footnotes:
  1. <LI id=fen-NIV-30594a>1 John 4:6 Or spirit <LI id=fen-NIV-30597b>1 John 4:9 Or his only begotten Son
  2. 1 John 4:10 Or as the one who would turn aside his wrath, taking awa
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
standing_alone said:
Darn you! I was just going to make that claim! :D

Frubals for being quicker than me.

mwhahahahahaha.... he will put 616 on our heads and eat our flesh!!! Run for the hills!!:149:

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kevmicsmi

Well-Known Member
Maize said:

Come to think of it I don't recall anyone
ever saying that Dr. Dobson is Hitler reincarnated either. So the title of the thread puzzles me. :confused:
Actually Maize, I took artistic liscense with the title. Since I have heard James Dobson is hateful many times, and since in any debate now, there is exactly a 15% chance of hearing someone compared to Hitler, I felt it would be a catchy and ironic title.
 

kevmicsmi

Well-Known Member
Maize said:
All of the statements and quotes I posted have their sources cited with them. Please feel free to verify them if you doubt their authenticity.
I dont doubt your sources or your info, just disagree withsome conclusions.
 

dawny0826

Mother Heathen
Maize said:

I don't think anyone
on this thread has made the claim that Dr. Dobson is an anti-Christ, unless I missed it.

:eek: ...:)sorry1: )

:curtsy: (Taking a bow...and exiting the building...)

Whenever I think Hitler...I can't help but to liken him to an anti-Christ...and that's how my strange mind works. Sorry.
 
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