What are the other books of religious groups?

Norman · Feb 25, 2015

peacecrusader888 said:
@Eliab ben Benjamin
Thanks for elaborating Zohar. So that is also Kabbalah. I have heard Kabbalah which is associated with a famous actress.

Do you know that Jesus, who I believe is the true God, has taken from the Jews to kingdom of God? This is in Matthew 21:42-44, to wit:
22 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, the stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvelous in our eyes?
23 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
24 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.

Norman: peacecrudader888, again, straying from your OP. Wow, your true colors are showing now. You have attacked Judaism, Jehovah Witnesses of all whom I highly esteem and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Learn how to debate dude. I have never ignored anyone, however, you may be my first.

Norman · Feb 25, 2015

Kolibri said:
Are you saying the Jewish Passover was/is not March/April? The Gospel accounts clearly state that Jesus died on the Passover. 1 Corinthians 5:7 even calls the "Christ our Passover lamb."

"In the first month, on the 14th day of the month, at twilight (Lit., "between the two evenings.") is the Passover to Jehovah." - Leviticus 23:5

Norman: Hi Kolibri, good point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peacecrusader888 · Feb 25, 2015

Kolibri said:
Are you saying the Jewish Passover was/is not March/April? The Gospel accounts clearly state that Jesus died on the Passover. 1 Corinthians 5:7 even calls the "Christ our Passover lamb."

"In the first month, on the 14th day of the month, at twilight (Lit., "between the two evenings.") is the Passover to Jehovah." - Leviticus 23:5

@Kolibri
It was not in March/April that Jesus was crucified. It was in August, a summer month.

Yes, Passover was in the 14th day of the first month when Jesus was arrested at the Garden of Gethsemane. But did you know that the present-day Jewish calendar was reformed in 358/359 AD? That during the time of Jesus, the Jews were using two types of calendars—a purely lunar calendar and a lunisolar calendar?

The purely lunar calendar where Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were was used from the time of Exodus, and the lunisolar calendar where New Year’s Day, Day of Atonement, the Festival of Shelters or Tabernacle or Ingathering were was adopted from the Babylonians when the Jews were exiled to Babylon during the seventh century BC.

Since Passover was in the purely lunar calendar, it was moving through the seasons. It maybe in winter, then in autumn, then in summer, then in spring, then in winter, etc.

peacecrusader888 · Feb 25, 2015

There are books other than the Holy Bible that different religious groups are using. There are the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price of the Mormons; the writings of Ellen G. White like Desire of Ages, Patriarchs and Prophets of the Seventh Day Adventist; Elpis Israel, Eureka by John Thomas of the Christadelphians; etc. Others don’t use the Holy Bible at all like the Qur’an, Hadith of the Muslims; The Secret Doctrine, Isis Unveiled, The Key to Theosophy, The Voice of the Silence of Theosophy. Which do you think comes from the true God? You don’t know.

But here is the spirit of Ama telling us (plural) when Jesus Christ was really born and when He died and resurrected—ancient dates which even biblical scholars fail to determine. He told us to use the King James Version of the Holy Bible because it is nearer the truth. He also told us to read the Pasiong Mahal or Pasyon (Wikipedia, Pasyon) which has been taken from the Holy Bible but more detailed. The Pasyon also tells us what happened to Saint Helena, mother of the Roman Emperor during the fourth century AD, and about Mary, the mother of Jesus.

Kolibri · Feb 25, 2015

peacecrusader888 said:
@Kolibri
It was not in March/April that Jesus was crucified. It was in August, a summer month.

Yes, Passover was in the 14th day of the first month when Jesus was arrested at the Garden of Gethsemane. But did you know that the present-day Jewish calendar was reformed in 358/359 AD? That during the time of Jesus, the Jews were using two types of calendars—a purely lunar calendar and a lunisolar calendar?

The purely lunar calendar where Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread were was used from the time of Exodus, and the lunisolar calendar where New Year’s Day, Day of Atonement, the Festival of Shelters or Tabernacle or Ingathering were was adopted from the Babylonians when the Jews were exiled to Babylon during the seventh century BC.

Since Passover was in the purely lunar calendar, it was moving through the seasons. It maybe in winter, then in autumn, then in summer, then in spring, then in winter, etc.

Yes the Israelites used a lunisolar calendar. 7 times within 19 years they would add a 13th month Veadar or second Adar. And it true that we do not find a record of a definitely fixed or standardized Jewish calender until about 359 C.E.

And yet, we can infer that the Jews did indeed use some method of adjustment prior to this simple because the sacred year was set up to start in the spring and the festivals built off that calendar were directly related to harvest seasons. Pentecost was always both the 50th day after Abib/Nisan 16th and also always the day they offered up the 2nd grain offering. The timing corresponded naturally to with the barley harvest (Nisan 16) and wheat harvest (Pentecost). These festivals, would have been very difficult to keep if the calender was not solar bound in some as yet unremembered way prior to 4th Century C.E.

Also consider the names of months prior to the exile:

Abib (1st) is understood to mean "Green Ears", the ears of grain being ripe but still soft (Le 2:14) (March/April)
Ziv (2nd) means "Brightness", this is the time of year that the earth is 'brightened' with blossoms and flowers (April/May)
Ethanim (7th, or 1st of secular calendar) probably means Enduring [Streams]; Everlasting [Streams] is the time when the early rains begin (Sept/Oct)
Bul (8th) comes from a root meaning "yield; produce". This is the month when olives were gathered and shepherds were bringing their flocks back in from the open fields (Oct/Nov)

For these names to have any continued meaning prior to the Babylonian Exile they would have had to compensate for the shifting seasons.

I think to assume that they did not adjust because there is no record of the method of adjustment is just that - an assumption.

peacecrusader888 · Feb 26, 2015

Kolibri said:
Yes the Israelites used a lunisolar calendar. 7 times within 19 years they would add a 13th month Veadar or second Adar. And it true that we do not find a record of a definitely fixed or standardized Jewish calender until about 359 C.E.

And yet, we can infer that the Jews did indeed use some method of adjustment prior to this simple because the sacred year was set up to start in the spring and the festivals built off that calendar were directly related to harvest seasons. Pentecost was always both the 50th day after Abib/Nisan 16th and also always the day they offered up the 2nd grain offering. The timing corresponded naturally to with the barley harvest (Nisan 16) and wheat harvest (Pentecost). These festivals, would have been very difficult to keep if the calender was not solar bound in some as yet unremembered way prior to 4th Century C.E.

Also consider the names of months prior to the exile:

Abib (1st) is understood to mean "Green Ears", the ears of grain being ripe but still soft (Le 2:14) (March/April)

Ziv (2nd) means "Brightness", this is the time of year that the earth is 'brightened' with blossoms and flowers (April/May)

Ethanim (7th, or 1st of secular calendar) probably means Enduring [Streams]; Everlasting [Streams] is the time when the early rains begin (Sept/Oct)

Bul (8th) comes from a root meaning "yield; produce". This is the month when olives were gathered and shepherds were bringing their flocks back in from the open fields (Oct/Nov)

For these names to have any continued meaning prior to the Babylonian Exile they would have had to compensate for the shifting seasons.

I think to assume that they did not adjust because there is no record of the method of adjustment is just that - an assumption.

@Kolibri
The Israelites came out of Egypt. The Egyptians had a solar calendar with 365 days in a year with 12 months of 30 days each plus five extra (epagomenal) days at the end of the year. The year is divided into three seasons: inundation of the Nile River (when the Nile River overflowed the agricultural land); growth or going forth (the time of planting when the Nile returned to its bed - winter), and deficiency (the time of low water and harvest - summer). This is their civil calendar. It served the government and adminstration.

In addition to the civil calendar, the Egyptians simultaneously maintained a second calendar used to regulate religious affairs and everyday life that was based on the moon, hence a lunar calendar which has about 29.5-day cycle.
Then the Egyptians established a second lunar calendar based on the civil year and not, as the older one had been, on the sighting of the Dog Star, Sirius.

Thus, the Egyptians operated three calendars, each for a different purpose. The original lunar calendar, was not abandoned but was retained primarily for agriculture because of its agreement with the seasons. The other lunar calendar was used to determine religious celebrations and duties. To keep this calendar in general agreement with the civil year, a month was intercalated every time the first day of the lunar year came before the first day of the civil year; later, a 25-year cycle of intercalation was introduced.

Remember that the Egyptians had a civil solar calendar for government and adminstration and a lunar calendar for religious affairs and everyday life.

Kolibri · Feb 26, 2015

peacecrusader888 said:
@Kolibri
The Israelites came out of Egypt. The Egyptians had a solar calendar with 365 days in a year with 12 months of 30 days each plus five extra (epagomenal) days at the end of the year. The year is divided into three seasons: inundation of the Nile River (when the Nile River overflowed the agricultural land); growth or going forth (the time of planting when the Nile returned to its bed - winter), and deficiency (the time of low water and harvest - summer). This is their civil calendar. It served the government and adminstration.

In addition to the civil calendar, the Egyptians simultaneously maintained a second calendar used to regulate religious affairs and everyday life that was based on the moon, hence a lunar calendar which has about 29.5-day cycle.
Then the Egyptians established a second lunar calendar based on the civil year and not, as the older one had been, on the sighting of the Dog Star, Sirius.

Thus, the Egyptians operated three calendars, each for a different purpose. The original lunar calendar, was not abandoned but was retained primarily for agriculture because of its agreement with the seasons. The other lunar calendar was used to determine religious celebrations and duties. To keep this calendar in general agreement with the civil year, a month was intercalated every time the first day of the lunar year came before the first day of the civil year; later, a 25-year cycle of intercalation was introduced.

Remember that the Egyptians had a civil solar calendar for government and adminstration and a lunar calendar for religious affairs and everyday life.

How does the Egyptian history of calenders relate to the idea that the Jewish months did or did not shift seasons over the years? I am not seeing the connection. The Jews may or may not have borrowed from the Egyptians early on. There are not records of this. But we do know 4 of the Hebrew names of the months were seasonal, and that the festivals that Jehovah set for exact dates naturally followed harvest seasons or crops being available such as barley and wheat.

peacecrusader888 · Feb 27, 2015

Kolibri said:
How does the Egyptian history of calenders relate to the idea that the Jewish months did or did not shift seasons over the years? I am not seeing the connection. The Jews may or may not have borrowed from the Egyptians early on. There are not records of this. But we do know 4 of the Hebrew names of the months were seasonal, and that the festivals that Jehovah set for exact dates naturally followed harvest seasons or crops being available such as barley and wheat.

@Kolibri
The Israelites, during their 40 years of wandering through the wilderness of Sinai, had no access to the Nile River, so the calendar that they used cannot be a solar calendar. They had no agriculture and did not plant barley, wheat, etc. Another thing is that in Numbers 28:11-15, in the beginning of their months, they had to make a sacrifice. So the calendar that they used to reckon the passage of time was a lunar calendar.

When they left Egypt, it was the time of Abib when the barley was in the ear. Abib was used in the Holy Bible only six times in four verses: Exodus 13:4, 23:15, 34:18; Deuteronomy 16:1. They did not call the first month as Abib as the first month of the year (Numbers 9:1). They just number the months as 1 to 12. And also the years in number from the time that they came out of Egypt as 480 in 1 Kings 6:1.

peacecrusader888 · Mar 2, 2015

There are books other than the Holy Bible that different religious groups are using. There is the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price of the Mormons; the writings of Ellen G. White like Desire of Ages, Patriarchs and Prophets of the Seventh Day Adventist; Elpis Israel, Eureka by John Thomas of the Christadelphians; etc. Others don’t use the Holy Bible at all like The Secret Doctrine, Isis Unveiled, The Key to Theosophy, The Voice of the Silence of Theosophy. Which do you think comes from the true God? You don’t know.

But here is the spirit of Ama telling us (plural) when Jesus Christ was really born and when He died and resurrected—ancient dates which even biblical scholars fail to determine.

He told us to use the King James Version of the Holy Bible because it is nearer the truth. He also told us to read the Pasiong Mahal or Pasyon (Wikipedia, Pasyon) which has been taken from the Holy Bible but I find it more detailed. The Pasyon also tells us what happened to Saint Helena, mother of the Roman Emperor during the fourth century AD, and about Mary, the mother of Jesus.

If there are other books that people are promoting, we have to be wary. Galatians 1:8-9 told us about this, to wit: “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”

Kolibri · Mar 2, 2015

peacecrusader888 said:
He told us to use the King James Version of the Holy Bible because it is nearer the truth.

When did he say this? What is the documentation, if I may ask? What about other language groups? What about spurious passages that are still in KJV, that have been proved to not being in the oldest copies of the inspired text available regardless of language?

hispanicmormon · Mar 5, 2015

Has anyone mentioned the Bhagavad Gita? That is the Hindu sacred book.

Rival · Mar 5, 2015

Other Books of Holy Writ?

Various Hindu Scriptures, such as the one mentioned above, as well as the Srimad Bhagavatam, The Vedas &c.
The Qur'an and Ahadith (Islam)
The Eddas (both poetic and prose) (Norse)
The Iliad and The Odyssey (Hellenism/Ancient Greece)
The Gathas [The Avesta] (Zoroastrian)
Jewish Talmud (Oral Traditions)
Various other Jewish writings in the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' , probably of some isolated Jewish group.
'Deutero-canonicals' found in Catholic and Orthodox Bibles
Egyptian writings from Ancient Egyptian faith
The Tripitaka and Dhammapada (Buddhism)
The Guru Granth Sahib and the Dasam Granth Sahib (Sikh)

There are lots.

peacecrusader888 · Mar 7, 2015

Kolibri said:
When did he say this? What is the documentation, if I may ask? What about other language groups? What about spurious passages that are still in KJV, that have been proved to not being in the oldest copies of the inspired text available regardless of language?

@Kolibri
Did you know that the Romans, when they made Christianity as its state religion in the fourth century AD, modified the Holy Bible to suit Passover to have occurred in spring? This is what Emperor Constantine said of the Jews: “It was declared to be particularly unworthy of this, the holiest of all festivals, to follow the custom {the calculation] of the Jews, who had soiled their hands with the most fearful of crimes, and whose minds were blinded. In rejecting their custom, (1) we may transmit to our descendants the legitimate mode of celebrating Easter, which we have observed from the time of the Saviour’s Passion to the present day [according to the day of the week]. We ought not, therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews, for the Saviour has shown us another way, our worship follows a more legitimate and more convenient course (the order of the days of the week); and consequently, in unanimously adopting this mode, we desire, dearest brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews, for it is truly shameful for us to hear them boast that without their direction we could not keep this feast” (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/nicea1.txt).

This is part of the letter of Emperor Constantine to all those not present at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The Jews reformed their calendars in 358/359 AD to what it is today.

When did the spirit of Ama say that we use the King James Version of the Holy Bible? I cannot find the tape at the moment but I am sure that that is what He said. He also said that the original Bible is in the Vatican. When I find the tape, I will let you know.

What are the “spurious passages that are still in KJV”? They have been paraphrased by the translators. The Old Testament seemed to be still the same as in the Dead Sea Scroll and the Masoretic translation in the eleventh century AD. However, the New Testament has some changes to it, especially when the Romans made Christianity its state religion during the fourth century AD.

Kolibri · Mar 7, 2015

peacecrusader888 said:
@Kolibri
Did you know that the Romans, when they made Christianity as its state religion in the fourth century AD, modified the Holy Bible to suit Passover to have occurred in spring? This is what Emperor Constantine said of the Jews: “It was declared to be particularly unworthy of this, the holiest of all festivals, to follow the custom {the calculation] of the Jews, who had soiled their hands with the most fearful of crimes, and whose minds were blinded. In rejecting their custom, (1) we may transmit to our descendants the legitimate mode of celebrating Easter, which we have observed from the time of the Saviour’s Passion to the present day [according to the day of the week]. We ought not, therefore, to have anything in common with the Jews, for the Saviour has shown us another way, our worship follows a more legitimate and more convenient course (the order of the days of the week); and consequently, in unanimously adopting this mode, we desire, dearest brethren, to separate ourselves from the detestable company of the Jews, for it is truly shameful for us to hear them boast that without their direction we could not keep this feast” (http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/basis/nicea1.txt).

This is part of the letter of Emperor Constantine to all those not present at the Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The Jews reformed their calendars in 358/359 AD to what it is today.

When did the spirit of Ama say that we use the King James Version of the Holy Bible? I cannot find the tape at the moment but I am sure that that is what He said. He also said that the original Bible is in the Vatican. When I find the tape, I will let you know.

What are the “spurious passages that are still in KJV”? They have been paraphrased by the translators. The Old Testament seemed to be still the same as in the Dead Sea Scroll and the Masoretic translation in the eleventh century AD. However, the New Testament has some changes to it, especially when the Romans made Christianity its state religion during the fourth century AD.

Easter is the Christianized celebration of Christ's resurrection. The Churches of Christendom celebrate this on a Sunday every year near, but never too near the Jewish Passover. The Passover was replaced by the Lord's Evening Meal. This is a memorial, not of Jesus' resurrection, but of his death.

In regards to the spurious passages, there are many.

Full verses that do not belong in the text, due to lack of support in the oldest of manuscripts are Matthew 17:21; 18:11; 23:14; Mark 7:16; 9:44,46; 11:26; 15:28; anything after Mark 16:8; Luke 17:36; 23:17; John 5:4; 7:53 - 8:11; Acts 8:37; 15:34; 24:7; 28:29; and Romans 16:24.

Besides these are certain fragments of verses that are spurious. A couple of these that I can think of offhand are:

"in the heaven, the Father, the Word and the holy spirit; and these three are one. (8) And there are three witness bearers on earth." - 1 John 5:7,8
"I am the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and" - Revelation 1:11

peacecrusader888 · Mar 8, 2015

Rival said:
Other Books of Holy Writ?

Various Hindu Scriptures, such as the one mentioned above, as well as the Srimad Bhagavatam, The Vedas &c.
The Qur'an and Ahadith (Islam)
The Eddas (both poetic and prose) (Norse)
The Iliad and The Odyssey (Hellenism/Ancient Greece)
The Gathas [The Avesta] (Zoroastrian)
Jewish Talmud (Oral Traditions)
Various other Jewish writings in the 'Dead Sea Scrolls' , probably of some isolated Jewish group.
'Deutero-canonicals' found in Catholic and Orthodox Bibles
Egyptian writings from Ancient Egyptian faith
The Tripitaka and Dhammapada (Buddhism)
The Guru Granth Sahib and the Dasam Granth Sahib (Sikh)

There are lots.

@Rival
Thank you for listing the other books of Holy Writ of non-Christian religions.

Being a non-denominational Christian, a plain follower of Jesus Christ, I am biased toward the Holy Bible which I believe is from the true God. That is why we have to check if the god we are worshiping is the true God or not. He must have the following attributes:
1. omnipotent (having all power; almighty),
2. omnipresent (present everywhere at the same time), and
3. omniscient (knowing everything including what happened in the past and what will happen in the future).

So, if you would worship a god, be sure that He is the true God. He must have the above attributes.

I am fortunate to communicate with a spirit who I, with other people, believe to be the spirit of Jesus Christ. He recommended that we use the King James Version of the Holy Bible. He also recommended that we read the Pasiong Mahal or Pasyon which is chanted during the Holy Week in the Philippines by Catholics especially. I believe that Pasyon is from the true God but there are corrections to be done on it especially the days of the week, like Domingo de Ramos or Palm Sunday, Holy Monday, Holy Tuesday, Holy Wednesday, Holy Thursday, Holy Friday, in light of new and correct findings.

What are the other books of religious groups?

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