Fallen Goddess
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greatcalgarian said:
Are you calling for the death penalty for burning the American flag as a form of protest?
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Mexican flag burning, is it racists?
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Are you calling for the death penalty for burning the American flag as a form of protest?
greatcalgarian
Well-Known Member
Fallen Goddess said:Are you calling for the death penalty for burning the American flag as a form of protest?
Burning of flag is not an acceptable form of civilized protest. There are many other more peaceful way, like burning the efigy of the president or king or whoever. The reason is that protest should be directed at the government, or the leaders, but not the symbolic representation of a country, her flag. Therefore, whenever a national anthem is played and a flag is raised, immaterial of which country, all present must stand in silence to show respect.
greatcalgarian
Well-Known Member
AlanGurvey said:
I am Canadian. I suppose your question would be more relevant to me if protesters burn the Canadian flag? My feeling will be sad. My country must have failed in some way causing these protesters to burn our flag. I would try to find out why these protesters are so angry with Canada. Is there something that Canada, or me as a Canadian can do to resolve the problem and see to the anger of these protesters.
Lindsey-Loo
Steel Magnolia
Ummm...are you saying that you don't like illegal immigration from American...?
May 1st is when the illegal immigrants are supposed to be out protesting. You know, they're all staying home from work and not sending their kids to school on May 1st. So I thought I might as well have my own little illegal immigration protest on May 1st.
So do I...just to make that clear.
Amen!
Have you not seen the pics on the news? It was on their news, too. They're burning American flags in public, and carrying signs saying "we were here first" or something like that. There's absolutely no excuse for it.
Well they can come in legally then. If they want to have a better life in a better country, they need to start by following that country's rules and laws.
*sigh* I guess that means me.
Buttercup
Veteran Member
greatcalgarian said:
I don't want to pick on a fellow banana lover but......you are joking here right?
Burning a flag of ANY country is disrepectful in my mind and should be avoided. But the death penalty? A flag is not alive, it is a piece of cloth. A flag does not lose it's life when you burn it....it does not scream or holler or lose blood. It is merely a symbol.
I don't believe in the death penalty anyway....but the death penalty for flag burning is just ludicrous.
Say it aint so Great Cal!
mr.guy
crapsack
I believe he's refering to the legality of flag burning; while you're free to burn foreign flags, torching your own is another matter.Buttercup said:
ACLU Says House Approval of Flag Desecration Amendment is Loss for Freedom, Urges Senate to Stand Ground and Reject Measure Once Again (6/22/2005)
WASHINGTON - The American Civil Liberties Union today called the House's approval of the "Flag Desecration Amendment" a loss for freedom and an unwarranted assault on the First Amendment. The proposal, which requires two-thirds of those voting and present to pass, was adopted by an eight-vote margin on a vote of 286 to 130. The amendment now heads to the Senate.
Members also rejected an amendment, offered by Rep. Mel Watt (D-NC) requiring the proposed amendment to be "consistent with the First Amendment." That modest proposal was defeated on a vote of 129 to 279.
Nationwide, there is growing opposition to this proposal. The First Amendment Center issued a survey in which 63 percent of those polled said that the Constitution "should not be amended to prohibit burning or desecrating the American flag." Veterans Defending the Bill of Rights and Veterans for Peace have also been vocal in their opposition. Notable veterans who have opposed the amendment include former Secretary of State and former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Colin L. Powell, former Senator John Glenn, and former Reagan Defense Department official Lawrence J. Korb.
The following can be attributed to Terri Ann Schroeder, Senior Lobbyist with the ACLU Washington Legislative Office:
"Today's vote was a victory not for the flag, but for lawmakers seeking cheap political points. The flag is a symbol, and today's vote is an assault on the freedoms that it embodies. In a democracy, freedom means that we must tolerate all peaceful forms of expression, no matter how uncomfortable they make us feel, or how much we disagree. Lawmakers cannot silence individuals just because they don't agree with their message or how it is expressed."
"Today's vote was the closest that the House has had on this issue and signals a real shift in momentum against the Flag Amendment and in favor of the First Amendment. The last time it was considered, it passed on a vote of 300 to 125. This means we saw a net gain of eight votes for freedom of expression. We especially applaud those members who changed their position on the issue, and those freshman members who took a stand to protect the First Amendment with their first votes on this issue. We hope the Senate will follow their lead."
"Unfortunately, many House members supported this misguided proposal with the false sense that the Senate will stop it. Now the Senate must respect the First Amendment and reject this attempt to muzzle dissent. Senators must stand their ground, as they have time and time again, and reject this assault on the Constitution."
Buttercup
Veteran Member
Hi Mr.Guy,
I am aware of the legislation you mention but my query of Great Cal's post is about his comment that flag burning should carry the death penalty. There is no death penalty mentioned in this new amendment. I am questioning his opinion that the "crime" of burning of your own country's flag warrants a death sentence.
I am aware of the legislation you mention but my query of Great Cal's post is about his comment that flag burning should carry the death penalty. There is no death penalty mentioned in this new amendment. I am questioning his opinion that the "crime" of burning of your own country's flag warrants a death sentence.
greatcalgarian
Well-Known Member
kevmicsmi said:
Absolutely.
mr.guy
crapsack
Leave to the resident monkeys to miss each other....Buttercup said:
As best i can tell, i don't believe he was suggesting we kill flag burners; i assumed he was implying that burning an american flag (in america) was considered legally treasonous (incorrect, as far as i can tell) and would subsequently carry a penalty. The death penalty would be the ceiling of that charge (er, i guess it's that of any charge, really).
Sorry. I left what i thought was a more pertanent link in that post regarding the governments crackdowns on "free speech and national symbols"; the mention of the amendment was really an afterthought, and i just threw it in for sh*ts and giggles.
ΩRôghênΩ
Disciple of Light
i picked other because i really dont know what to say about this matter